#1 Posted by BisonHero (6674 posts) -

I am by no means hugely into rap. Quite the opposite, really, but in certain cases I can respect the...intensity a good rap song can bring.

But I was talking to a friend recently about how all the new rappers I can think of seem super soft, and my friend pointed out "That's pretty much rap now". Most of the original gangsta rappers are retired, or producers, or dead, and there don't seem to be many people filling in that gangsta rap void.

Are all the big rappers really just Drake from here on out, because pop and silly love songs always sell? I know there's the occasional Kanye or M.I.A. to keep things interesting, but most of the big name rappers I can think of lately just seem lame.

#2 Posted by TruthTellah (9362 posts) -

@bisonhero: It may just be a phase. They could all soften up and then up-and-comers react by bringing it back.

#3 Edited by Milkman (17068 posts) -

I'm not really sure what you consider "gangsta rap." If you're just talking about songs that "go hard", so to speak, then no, it most certainly is not dead.

#4 Edited by punkxblaze (2990 posts) -

Baggy pants and shirts and bling have given way to well fitted leather jackets and tasteful jewelry. And in worst case scenarios, snap backs and brightly colored clothing and sagging skinny jeans.

So yes.

#5 Posted by DystopiaX (5337 posts) -

"Trap" rap is still pretty gangsta. There are still some with the "gangsta" image, like Gucci Mane and Chief Keef.

#6 Edited by BisonHero (6674 posts) -

@milkman: Well, those strippers should really consider a more well balanced diet. But yes, that was a sufficient amount of "going hard".

#7 Posted by wjb (1680 posts) -

I suppose it depends on the definition of gangsta rap. You can include artists like T.I., Rick Ross, Chief Keef, Pusha T, etc.

It's definitely not as popular as it was, but it's still around.

#8 Edited by BisonHero (6674 posts) -

@punkxblaze said:

Baggy pants and shirts and bling have given way to well fitted leather jackets and tasteful jewelry. And in worst case scenarios, snap backs and brightly colored clothing and sagging skinny jeans.

So yes.

So everybody is now a hip hop metrosexual?

Anyway, look at how baller these dudes are:

JUST LOOK AT THEM

Also, I was reminded to make this topic because I really like this Lonely Island video:

#9 Posted by Vinny_Says (5720 posts) -
#10 Posted by Little_Socrates (5684 posts) -

ABSOLUTELY NOT.

OBSERVE.

#11 Posted by Demoskinos (15032 posts) -

If you listened to Radio Los Santos in GTA V you might have heard this gem which I'm actually starting to like more and more. It as the kids say "goes hard"

#12 Posted by Nodima (1254 posts) -

No. Get yourself a livemixtapes or datpiff account and lick as many shots as you please.

I'd argue gangster rap is probably more prolific than it's ever been, even if that doesn't necessarily register on the radio anymore.

For example, Nipsey Hussle (whom you may recognize from Radio Los Santos in GTA V) just sold 1,000 copies of a mixtape you could get freely available on livemixtapes for $100 a copy just to prove that he could.

#13 Posted by Nodima (1254 posts) -

Now that I'm back home I figured I'd do you a favor and pull up my lists (shameless plug: http://rateyourmusic.com/list/Nodima/blew_up_the_spot_with_that_new_bop__hip_hop_2013/ ) and throw some suggestions your way from the past two years.

Keep in mind that anything over a 6 in my system is generally pretty fun, IMO.

*** denotes freely available

***Action Bronson & Alchemist - Rare Chandeliers: 8.85

Ace Hood - Trials and Tribulations: 8.32

Prodigy x Alchemist - Albert Einstein: 8.30

ScHoolboy Q - Habits & Contradictions: 8.18

Gucci Mane - Trap House 3: 8.16

A$AP Ferg - Trap Lord: 7.86

Wu-Block - Wu-Block: 7.72

Ghostface Killah - 12 Reasons to Die: 7.54 (I prefer the Brown Tape in some ways but never reviewed it)

***Freddie Gibbs - ESGN: 7.56

***Pusha T - The Wrath of Caine: 7.42 (his new album is excellent but I haven't reviewed it...it'd be up in the top 3 though)

***Freddie Gibbs - Baby Face Killa: 7.35

***Young Jeezy - It's tha World (Es el Mundo): 7.33

Gangrene - Vodka & Ayahuasca: 7.29

***Deniro Farrar - The Patriarch: 7.24

***Young Buck - Live Loyal, Die Rich: 7.21

***Alley Boy - Nigganati: 7.20

Sean Price - Mic Tyson: 7.14

***Gucci Mane - Trap God 2: 7.09

***Gucci Mane - Trap Back 2: 7.07

***Ace Hood - Starvation: 7.03

2 Chainz - Based on a TRU Story: 6.99 (at first I hated his new one but it might be even better...Feds Watching!)

***Saigon - Warning Shots 3: 6.99

***Raekwon - Lost Jewlry: 6.96

***Gucci Mane - I'm Up: 6.48

***Gucci Mane - Trap Back: 6.48

***Tony Yayo - El Chapo 2: 6.48

***Master P - Al Capone: 6.45

***Ace Hood - Starvation 2: 6.38

***Wooh da Kid - Strap-a-Holics 2.0 (Reloaded): 6.33

***Young Scooter - Street Lottery: 6.14

Meek Mill - Dreams & Nightmares: 6.10

***T.I. Fuck da City Up: 6.08

#14 Posted by davidwitten22 (1708 posts) -

"gangsta rap" as you are calling it is still pretty big, it's just not as obvious in mainstream culture anymore. The best thing about this day and age is that there is a huge variety of music available for public consumption. For every Lil Wayne and Drake there's a Killer Mike and a Meek Mill.

#15 Posted by jiggajoe14 (752 posts) -

No but I wish there was more modern funkiness to grab bootsy-esque soul.

#16 Posted by Example1013 (4834 posts) -

Kanye was ever gangsta?

#17 Posted by JayDee (440 posts) -

it has everything to do with the success of kanye. drake, j cole, big sean all the soft rappers reflect him. gangsta rap still exists and is still very popular just not on a national/global scale. here in l.a. yg is popular. meek mill, french montana, waka flocka, chief keef, ace hood have all had pretty big success in the last 2-3 years. and 2 chainz/pusha have been around forever but have had solo success recently. and kendrick/future/rocky(kind of) aren't primarily street/gangsta but aren't soft at all. i would say rap being soft was at it's worst in like 2009. it's gotten and continues to get better. hopefully drake can fall off, him being the most popular rapper really sucks.

#18 Posted by JayDee (440 posts) -

@nodima: damn trap back that low?? that might be my favorite out of all of those. cool seeing someone who listens to tree. here are some albums this year that i would recommend and didn't see on your list thing

young thug - 1017 thug

future - f.b.g. the movie

zmoney - rich b4 rap

zmoney - heroin muzik

starlito - cold turkey

starlito, don trip - step brothers 2

kevin gates - luca brasi story

kevin gates - stranger than fiction

teecee 4800/reem riches - mid-town money

shady nate - mobb marley 2

ty dolla $ign - beach house 2

cam'ron - ghetto heaven

ampichino - da krazies 2

lil durk - signed to the streets

danny brown - old

rocko - gift of gab 2

gucci mane - world war 3 mixtapes

#19 Posted by Cheesebob (1243 posts) -

Gangsta rap is dead, for the most part. If by Gangsta rap you are talking about what Ice Cube, Raekwon, N.W.A. etc did in the 90s and what 50 Cent and his G-Unit 'brought' back in the early 00s.

Thank you Lord Yeezus for killing that shitty sub-genre off

#20 Posted by MildMolasses (3225 posts) -

Gangsta rap is dead, for the most part. If by Gangsta rap you are talking about what Ice Cube, Raekwon, N.W.A., ATL, CMW, etc did in the late 80's and early 90s and what 50 Cent and his G-Unit 'brought' back in the early 00s.

Fixed

#21 Posted by Nodima (1254 posts) -

Anyone who fronts on Get Rich or Die Trying is just as big an asshole as 50 Cent.

#22 Edited by Everyones_A_Critic (6305 posts) -

@nodima said:

Anyone who fronts on Get Rich or Die Trying is just as big an asshole as 50 Cent.

That album is a classic. Too bad 50 never quite made anything as consistently good. Still, without him Game's debut wouldn't be nearly as huge as it was back in the day.

Tupac was never a real hustler or gang banger but he became a symbol for one and people like to forget that. Then you have that fat fuck Rick Ross who never sold drugs in his life and stole the identity of an actual drug kingpin. Meek Mill lifted his late father's gang-banging past and his core fanbase probably has no idea. Rap is entertainment and every rapper has a character, but I totally get why people who actually risked their asses selling crack on the street like T.I. and 50 Cent get pissed when rappers like Tyga claim they came up in Compton when his parents owned a mansion and drove him to private school in a Range Rover.

#23 Posted by Barrock (3546 posts) -

@milkman said:

I'm not really sure what you consider "gangsta rap." If you're just talking about songs that "go hard", so to speak, then no, it most certainly is not dead.

Such a fantastic video of a fantastic song off of a fantastic album.

Fan-fucking-tastic.

#24 Posted by CornBREDX (5646 posts) -

I feel it died a few years ago. What we have now is a dead horse being kicked.

Although, I feel that way about most music these days. It's just a money factory that exploits stupid people. There's no real actual talent, anymore. None of these people have anything to say that's real or relatable in any way.

To be fair, I am getting old and I am very cynical when it comes to music.

#25 Posted by Lysergica33 (530 posts) -

It's kind of sad that the only funky-ass production in this entire thread is a Lonely Island song. What happened to real fuckin' gangsta funk?

#26 Posted by Brendan (7846 posts) -

I hope so, because gangster rap mostly just glorified the dumbest aspects of masculinity, regardless of the talent behind it.

#27 Posted by dodgyc (70 posts) -

@nodima: Mentioning Freddie Gibbs on GiantBomb automatically places you into my 'favourite people on the Internet' list.

#28 Posted by Lysergica33 (530 posts) -

@brendan said:

I hope so, because gangster rap mostly just glorified the dumbest aspects of masculinity, regardless of the talent behind it.

I don't know if it glorified it so much as made it all incredibly easy to laugh at it. All the rampant misoginy (misogyny? Fuck knows how to spell that word..) on NWA - Efil4zaggin actually leaves me feeling pretty ill but all the Dr. Dre, Snoop Dogg, Notorious B.I.G... It's just a comedy goldmine! Plus the music was funky as fuck.

#29 Posted by gokaired (561 posts) -

G-Rap kinda morphed rather than died. Into a more benign form like most of Lil' Wayne's stuff (most).

#30 Posted by theveej (844 posts) -

nope, like other people have said you just have to find it cause its not as mainstream as it used to be.

Case and point, this was released like 10 days ago.

#31 Posted by Brendan (7846 posts) -

@brendan said:

I hope so, because gangster rap mostly just glorified the dumbest aspects of masculinity, regardless of the talent behind it.

I don't know if it glorified it so much as made it all incredibly easy to laugh at it. All the rampant misoginy (misogyny? Fuck knows how to spell that word..) on NWA - Efil4zaggin actually leaves me feeling pretty ill but all the Dr. Dre, Snoop Dogg, Notorious B.I.G... It's just a comedy goldmine! Plus the music was funky as fuck.

The beats were good, I'm just glad that rap is moving on to material that's less lame in a lot of cases.

#32 Posted by Nodima (1254 posts) -

It's kind of sad that the only funky-ass production in this entire thread is a Lonely Island song. What happened to real fuckin' gangsta funk?

too be fair, quite a lot of gangster rap is decidedly unfunky. g-funk was only the majority for a brief moment.

#33 Posted by beepmachine (618 posts) -

@little_socrates said:

ABSOLUTELY NOT.

OBSERVE.

Man why the FUCK is that not in GTA 5?

As someone who is not hugely into rap, but is still a casual fan I'm kind of glad gangsta rap fucked off for a bit and let some creativity into the genre. Yeah we have to put up with a drake here or there but we get death grips and kendrick and pusha and asap others who might not be gangsta (well pusha is, wasn't he a drug dealer?) but bring a lot of intensity. Gimme the sick beats and great lyrics, and fucking leave the spinnin rims at the door.

#34 Edited by DuhQbnSiLo (2139 posts) -

As a fan of rap... in my opinion the genre is just dumb now. It's just a lame circle-jerk now. Hip-hop been dead.Gangsta Rap was always a fad.

#35 Posted by Ben_H (3386 posts) -

MC Eiht is still around. Thus all is well.

#36 Edited by CJduke (795 posts) -

@milkman said:

I'm not really sure what you consider "gangsta rap." If you're just talking about songs that "go hard", so to speak, then no, it most certainly is not dead.

Killer Mike R.A.P. Music is an amazing album.

And I'm not sure how to classify certain types of rappers/ rap music, but there are totally still plenty of good rappers out there, most of them just not on the radio. Deltron just released event 2, Astronautilis is an amazing rapper who doesn't get the attention he deserves, Killer Mike is still great, Kendrik Lamar's good kid mad city is an amazing album, and pretty much anything by The Roots is always great.

#37 Posted by The_Laughing_Man (13629 posts) -

Its dead because they keep killing each other!

#38 Posted by Pezen (1640 posts) -

Gangsta rap is probably still around and kickin', doesn't mean it'll reach main stream success though. I mean, there are plenty of genres of music that isn't in the spot light as much as it used to be and it still around.

#39 Edited by ArtisanBreads (3890 posts) -

Schoolboy Q is really still gangsta rap. Freddie Gibbs is too.

It's not the most popular kind of rap at the moment, but now, even guys like Rick Ross, Pusha T, and Lil Wayne have stuff about guns and drugs in their songs... it kind of just made it's way into all hip-hop.

#40 Posted by OurSin_360 (938 posts) -

Gangsta rap pretty much represents a style of rap from the mid 90's to maybe the mid/early 2000's. It's splintered into a lot of other genre's now, mainly trap music but i don't know if i've heard anybody call anything gangsta rap since back in the day. The kids took over now, they got so many styles of rap these days. A lot of hipster rap, pop music with rapping on it, troll rap(what i call it), and rap that only would sound right in a strip club.

#41 Edited by jiggajoe14 (752 posts) -

@nodima said:

@lysergica33 said:

It's kind of sad that the only funky-ass production in this entire thread is a Lonely Island song. What happened to real fuckin' gangsta funk?

too be fair, quite a lot of gangster rap is decidedly unfunky. g-funk was only the majority for a brief moment.

A brotha just wants "Money On The Floor" made into an entire album nah mean?