#1 Edited by Twitchey (865 posts) -

First here is some background so you know how this occurred.

I am a Junior in high school. Everyday in 3rd period we have the announcements and say the pledge. I do not say the pledge nor do I stand for the pledge for personal reasons.

On Thursday my class and I had to go to a different classroom because our original teacher was away and must of had no time to find a substitute.
We take our seats and wait for the announcements to begin. When they begin to say pledge everyone else stands besides me, as usual.
Well after the pledge the teacher who is watching us walks behind me, well let me just type the conversation.

Teacher - "You know you did not stand for the pledge."
Me - "Yea I know."
Teacher - "Why not? Do you hate America?"
Me - "Uhm, I'm not a fan..."
Teacher - "OH!!! Well then why do you live here! Why do you come to an American school then!"
Me - "Because I'm a High School student who was born here and have no other choice"
Teacher - "Well then why don't you move to another country like Iraq, Pakistan, or Mexico" (not sure why she grouped Mexico into that)
Me - "If you're willing to pay my way then sure"
Teacher - "I'm not going to do that"
Me - "Then stop complaining about it"
She said all of this loudly enough so the other students could hear us.

Well, later in the class she begins to call roll. When she reaches my name and I say "here" she says, very loudly, "OH! The America hater"
Then we began our assignment which was to watch a video over India's culture and she practically screams  "MAYBE YOU SHOULD LIVE THERE!!!"

So, do you think this is appropriate behavior from a teacher, someone who gets mad at students for being immature.

Edit: I'm not offended by what she said and how she acted. I just thought it was hilarious and wanted to see if this crossed the line for a teacher.

Another edit: The reason I have not complained is because later the day, near the end of class her three foot high stool broke from under her and she fell on her ass, so I felt that was enough for me.

#2 Posted by Pazy (2581 posts) -

She is a right dick, you could report her assuming her superiors dont have similar attitudes.

#3 Posted by Dany (7887 posts) -

Was she being serious? Sounds like an inane thing for an adult to get worked up about

Also, its the fucking pledge, just stand in respect of the people around you.

#4 Posted by FancySoapsMan (5827 posts) -

don't be a dick and stand up for the pledge

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#5 Posted by Evilsbane (4619 posts) -

She isn't right and neither are you, if I was in another country I would stand and show respect for their culture and beliefs. So your both dicks.

#6 Posted by mnzy (2914 posts) -

No, it's not.

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#7 Posted by zityz (2360 posts) -

Yea, she has no right to do that. Isn't one of your rights Freedom of Speech of something?

#8 Posted by benjaebe (2783 posts) -

Where do you live where they still do the pledge in high school. I'm inclined to believe that isn't exactly how the conversation went because people make themselves sound a lot better when they're telling the story. Regardless, if you feel like she was out of line then you should talk to the principal, not post it on Giant Bomb.

#9 Posted by opp (39 posts) -


That teacher sounds very immature.

Also,  no i dont think that was an appropriate response :)

#10 Posted by craigbo180 (1739 posts) -

You are both in the wrong, but I would say it's worse on her behalf because your allowed a certain level of dumbness because you are a kid.

#11 Posted by Twitchey (865 posts) -
@benjaebe: I'm dead serious this is how the conversation went. I live in Texas, so not only did I not stand for the United States pledge, I did not stand for the Texas pledge, so she must have been double pissed.
#12 Posted by No0b0rAmA (1490 posts) -

Stop being a prick and show some respect. Neither of you are right.

#13 Posted by Management (596 posts) -

I just think it is really stupid that American students have to make a pledge at school.


I just don't see why you should have to.
#14 Posted by JasonR86 (9707 posts) -
@Twitchey said:

Well, I don't really agree with either of you but I respect your choice.  She overreacted and that is unfortunate.  Though this isn't a good excuse, she may have family or friends who are in the military and take not saying the pledge as an insult to those family members or friends.  If not that, I'm sure there is some other rationale for why she overreacted.  But, again, that isn't a good excuse.  She shouldn't have done that.  Though I don't agree with your behavior either you have all the right to not pledge allegiance to your country.  That's part of what makes this country great.
#15 Edited by Pazy (2581 posts) -
@Twitchey said:

@benjaebe: I'm dead serious this is how the conversation went. I live in Texas, so not only did I not stand for the United States pledge, I did not stand for the Texas pledge, so she must have been double pissed.

Oh probably dont complain to your principal, stereotyping tells me that he will label you as a "friend of Obama" and then segregate you for the "safety" of the other students.

EDIT: Though seriously you should complain. While I wouldn't stand for a pledge (I certainly never said prayers in primary school) I can understand the view that "its just a pledge" or that you should show respect for your country (and those who died for it) there is a line for a teacher and I think she crossed it.

#16 Posted by dungbootle (2457 posts) -
If everything was as you describe, then yeah she was being dickish.
No offense but you sound like "that kid". I don't care either way, but don't be so surprised that people would take offense to not even standing up for the pledge.

@benjaebe

Like OP, I am from Texas. Is it different elsewhere?
#17 Posted by benjaebe (2783 posts) -
@Management: A lot of schools don't. I think it's a very regional thing. I stopped pledging in middle school and I'm in the northeast. OP is from Texas so it's not a huge surprise they're still doing it.
#18 Posted by Twitchey (865 posts) -
@Pazy: Could you interpret the "friend of Obama" part. I'm not big in politics, mainly because when I hear anything about it I usually don't like what I hear and try to change the subject/channel.
#19 Posted by AlexW00d (6275 posts) -

Why the hell should you be forced to respect something? Isn't America supposed to be the land of Freedom? She is completely in the wrong, you are completely in the right.

#20 Edited by Everyones_A_Critic (6299 posts) -

It's your right to remain seated during the pledge, as far as I'm concerned here in Massachusetts it's widely accepted (especially in public schools) that you don't have to stand for the pledge. Unless you were giving the flag the finger and spilling racist slurs during the whole pledge I fail to see what the big deal is. You were respectfully declining to engage in the pledge, it was all you could do. I would seriously consider going over this cunt's head with this issue, that is no way to treat a student. And seeing as how sensitive the world of today is to political correctness, you'll probably see that bitch in the unemployment line soon enough.

#21 Edited by Unchained (1081 posts) -

Here's a thought. Talk to your principal and teachers and explain your feelings regarding the pledge before hand in a civil manner and asked to be excused from the room during the pledge from here on in.  

Otherwise, if you just stay seated while everyone else stands,  you just appear to be a typical "rebellious" teenager who wants to be a non-conformist and no one will take you seriously. The teacher was wrong to single you out like that, but you had to have expected (maybe wanted) a reaction like that by not doing what your are expected to do.   
#22 Posted by benjaebe (2783 posts) -
@AlexW00d: You aren't forced. In 1943 the Supreme Court ruled that it was unconstitutional to force school children to recite the pledge, and it's only in about half of the states that schools encourage children to recite the pledge at all.
#23 Posted by Jimbo (9811 posts) -

If you really want to live in Mexico or Pakistan over the US then you do have some growing up to do, but neither should the US be indoctrinating children by pressuring them into swearing allegiance to a flag.  It's pretty creepy.

#24 Posted by X19 (2306 posts) -

Only in America!!!

#25 Posted by laserbolts (5322 posts) -
Having to recite a pledge everyday in school is pretty funny. Silly America.
#26 Posted by Twitchey (865 posts) -
@Jimbo: I don't want to live in either of them, but I would like to visit an Arabian country though. I just said that to piss her off, I wasn't being serious since it was funny as hell to me.
#27 Posted by JudgeDread (572 posts) -
@Evilsbane said:
She isn't right and neither are you, if I was in another country I would stand and show respect for their culture and beliefs. So your both dicks.
heard about freedom of speech, you know the thing in your constitution?
or are you one of those who would like to prefer a fascist nation?
#28 Posted by mnzy (2914 posts) -

Land of the free (nationalists)

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#29 Posted by PenguinDust (12517 posts) -

Both of you were in the wrong.  Even if you choose not to say the pledge, you should at least stand out of respect for your fellow classmates.  It's the same reason you should stand when they play "God Save the Queen", "Oh, Canada" or any other nation's anthem in the US.  She was in the wrong for making it all about American policy which is what "love or hate America" comes down to these days.  It's about courtesy.  If you want it afforded to you, you have to grant it to others. 

#30 Posted by mrv321 (258 posts) -

How dare you believe something different? Not pledging to freedom of speech and expresion... your sick. Messed up.. what next will you have a different opinion?

Terrorist.

#31 Posted by Spoonman671 (4636 posts) -
@PenguinDust said:
Both of you were in the wrong.  Even if you choose not to say the pledge, you should at least stand out of respect for your fellow classmates.  It's the same reason you should stand when they play "God Save the Queen", "Oh, Canada" or any other nation's anthem in the US.  She was in the wrong for making it all about American policy which is what "love or hate America" comes down to these days.  It's about courtesy.  If you want it afforded to you, you have to grant it to others. 
Yup.
#32 Posted by Azteck (7449 posts) -
@AlexW00d said:
Why the hell should you be forced to respect something? Isn't America supposed to be the land of Freedom? She is completely in the wrong, you are completely in the right.
Kind of what I was thinking as well
#33 Posted by actionTACO (498 posts) -

ahahah, they still make children recite a pledge of allegiance. i thought most countries grow out of this nationalistic tripe by this point.

#34 Posted by Twitchey (865 posts) -
@actionTACO: Not the United States. In Texas you even have to say a pledge for it. Which is just like the United States pledge except shorter and substitutes America for Texas.
#35 Posted by Video_Game_King (36272 posts) -

Yea, she's an overly patriotic dick. My advice would be to quote the hell out of George Bernard Shaw whilst in her presence.

#36 Edited by EpicSteve (6487 posts) -

That's a completely approprite response. You were being a complete dick. I mean, not respecting your country!? That's twisted shit. It's your freedom to be disrespectful. But you're obviously going through a rebellious teenage stage. Probably watched some Liberal Iraq war documentary or something. Most people I saw go through their "fight the man" stage, grew out of it. It offends people like me that people like you can't appreciate the sacrifices that have been made. Especially in a time of war were we have 1-3 soldiers die everyday, at least stand up. 

#37 Posted by natetodamax (19206 posts) -
@PenguinDust said:
  It's about courtesy.  If you want it afforded to you, you have to grant it to others. 
That's not how high school students work.
#38 Posted by LiquidS (971 posts) -

Going through the stage of "Fuck the Man!" that a lot of teenagers tend to go through. Will go away when you get a full time job & family and realize that there are more important things to worry about.

She was in the wrong but so are you.
#39 Posted by Maximus_VI (62 posts) -

Definitely not an appropriate response, but I am with the people in here that think you should stand anyway out of respect. You're putting way too much value on such a dated formality, like it somehow defines who you are. This just seems like an act from section one of the attention whore's handbook.

#40 Posted by Lifestrike (482 posts) -
@laserbolts said:
Having to recite a pledge everyday in school is pretty funny. Silly America.
#41 Posted by Video_Game_King (36272 posts) -
@Maximus_VI said:
You're putting way too much value on such a dated formality
Yet the people pissed at him for it aren't? This isn't the best way to approach the situation.
#42 Posted by Delta_Ass (3279 posts) -

Honestly, I'm not a fan of either one of you.

#43 Posted by HatKing (5950 posts) -

She sounds like an angry old hag and you sound like an angsty teenage; you're both wrong.

#44 Posted by mikethekilla (328 posts) -

The both of you kinda come off as jerks 

#45 Posted by Pazy (2581 posts) -
@Twitchey said:
@Pazy: Could you interpret the "friend of Obama" part. I'm not big in politics, mainly because when I hear anything about it I usually don't like what I hear and try to change the subject/channel.
Im not big on Politics but stereotyping tells me he will see you as a terrorist lol
#46 Posted by Sparklykiss (1965 posts) -

I had to do the pledge and we had a moment of silence every day all through school and it was even a part of the graduation ceremony. Yeah, it may not be something you think you should be doing or want to do, but it's not like you have to recite it. If you're sitting out solely because you don't want to stand up for 20-30 seconds, then that would be an issue. I had a few classmates then who were just too lazy and wanted to seem rebellious by staying seated. Don't be that kid.

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#47 Posted by blueduck (964 posts) -
@EpicSteve said:
That's a completely approprite response. You were being a complete dick. I mean, not respecting your country!? That's twisted shit. It's your freedom to be disrespectful. But you're obviously going through a rebellious teenage stage. Probably watched some Liberal Iraq war documentary or something. Most people I saw go through their "fight the man" stage, grew out of it. It offends people like me that people like you can't appreciate the sacrifices that have been made. Especially in a time of war were we have 1-3 soldiers die everyday, at least stand up. 
What do you mean by "Liberal Iraq war documentary"?
#48 Posted by Example1013 (4834 posts) -
@Twitchey: Tell her that you love America for its freedom of speech, and are simply exercising your right to do so.

That should probably make her shut the fuck up.
#49 Edited by Scapegoat (131 posts) -

I think you should ask yourself why don't you stand for the pledge? Are you so disgusted by a country that you won't show a little respect? Would you rather be living in a third world country?
I'm not trying to be inflammatory, just trying to get you to try and verbalize what exactly about your country that you feel so strongly as to not stand for the pledge? You don't have to be a red neck patriot to be able to stand and show some respect.

For example I went to a "Christian" all boys high school. The school wasn't really Christian, this amounted mostly to us singing hymns during special occasions (war memorials). In taking part I didn't feel as though I was being forced to be Christian, to believe things I did not believe, or forced to think a certain way. It was simply about respecting the customs and traditions of the school (and those that gave their lives).

#50 Posted by wefwefasdf (6729 posts) -

Oh, please. Don't be that guy. I guess you wanted even more attention for being a douche by posting your event on a gaming website? Nice one.