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#1 Posted by mikecardii (236 posts) -

The vast majority of homelessness is caused by the incompetence of the government to help those who have serious addictions and/or mental disorders.

#2 Posted by Megalon (1392 posts) -

Having a serious addiction or mental disorder doesn't preclude a person from being lazy. I feel like it also might be a little insulting to say the "vast majority" of homeless poeple are addicts and/or not mentally sound.  
 
Also, this is kind of random, no?

#3 Posted by mikecardii (236 posts) -
@Megalon said:
" Having a serious addiction or mental disorder doesn't preclude a person from being lazy. I feel like it also might be a little insulting to say the "vast majority" of homeless poeple are addicts and/or not mentally sound.   Also, this is kind of random, no? "
 
Kind of, but that's why I posted it in off topic. It's true that being addicted or mentally ill doesn't preclude people from being lazy, but the bigger roadblock is the addiction or the mental disorder. Being homeless is motivation enough to break through laziness, in my opinion.
#4 Posted by Subject2Change (2966 posts) -

There are definitely ways about going about dealing with the homeless problem here in New York. There are plenty of jobs they are capable of doing and in return house, board and a minimum wage paycheck would be a great start. Not all homeless are "crazy" or have addictions, however for them addiction like alcohol and inexpensive drugs like crack can make their painful days that much better. Those that are addicted to a substance or have a mental disorder would obviously need rehabilitation and while more taxes is never a good thing, hell i'd love to stop running into the homeless at Penn Station every day and night.

#5 Posted by Lind_L_Taylor (3963 posts) -

They seem comfortable with who they are.  Why are you trying to change them?

#6 Posted by FrankCanada97 (4039 posts) -
@Lind_L_Taylor: Exactly, there was this homeless woman who lived under a bridge in Toronto. When she died, they found out she had over a million dollars in her bank account.
#7 Posted by Everyones_A_Critic (6295 posts) -

When I was a sophomore the senior class at my high school was spoken to by a homeless person and the owner of a shelter. The room erupted into a chant of "GET A JOB! GET A JOB! GET A JOB!".  
 
I had the same presentation last year, only without a homeless person and with nearly every teacher in the school surrounding us, giving us cold stares all the way through.

#8 Posted by FrankCanada97 (4039 posts) -
@Everyones_A_Critic: Wow, that's sad, but then again what do high-schoolers know about social economics.
#9 Posted by Megalon (1392 posts) -
@FrankCanada97 said:
" @Everyones_A_Critic: Wow, that's sad, but then again what do high-schoolers know about social economics. "
Ha, I would argue that same thing about a large percentage of college educated people as well :) 
#10 Edited by _Phara0h_ (889 posts) -

Well being homeless in America was a life style, and for some people this still is and I feel if somebody choses to live in that way that is totally cool... For the mentally ill well I would say go watch The Soloist I think that is a great Film about that subject....

#11 Posted by TheSovereign (50 posts) -

Helping others is for commies, go move to China or some shit. I'm sick and tired of a bunch of assholes trying to taking my hard earned cash to help a bunch of liberal degenerates. If we are gonna tax people, it should be the poor because we know that they would just spend any extra income on booze anyway. I should have the freedom to choose who I want to donate to! But that will have to wait, I'm saving up for a new plasma screen TV, it's one inch bigger than the one I already have.

#12 Edited by CowMuffins (1760 posts) -

If they have addictions and mental disorders, then they felled that upon themselves with drugs. They can stay where they are, or die. Scum of society who made bad choices. They took it upon themselves, and we shouldn't be the one to pay for their problems. I'd rather my money be given to people in third world countries than these homeless scum, because I know they'd appreciate it more and not spend it on drugs or alcohol.

#13 Posted by Everyones_A_Critic (6295 posts) -
@FrankCanada97 said:
" @Everyones_A_Critic: Wow, that's sad, but then again what do high-schoolers know about social economics. "

Yeah, it's an all-boys high school, so as expected the maturity level is incredibly high....
#14 Posted by gingertastic_10 (4141 posts) -
#15 Posted by MrRedwine (430 posts) -
@CowMuffins said:
" If they have addictions and mental disorders, then they felled that upon themselves. They can stay where they are, or die. Scrum of society need who made bad choices. They took it upon themselves, and we shouldn't be the one to pay for their problems. I'd rather my money be given to people in third world countries than these homeless scum, because I know they'd appreciate it more and not spend it on drugs or alcohol. "
Dude, I hope you're being sarcastic.  No one wants to be mentally ill.  I was born blind, and without help and support from my family and the government, I wouldn't be a successful middle school teacher today.  Mentally ill people need help in the same way.  As for addictions, they too are often tied to mental illness in some way.  And once you are addicted, you don't always make the choice you want to make.
#16 Posted by Lawlz (74 posts) -

HOLY SHIT!!!Who said homeless people are lazy,they're starved,they dont have any energy.How the hell can they move if they aint got energy?
#17 Posted by iam3green (14390 posts) -

i kind of think that this was mean but today i at work i was walking back to work with friends from work and a homeless guy was trying to sell us newspaper. we all said no, but he kept on following us. i kind of said to him "hey, get a job". he said hey, smartass i'm right behind u. i could have snuffed u" my friend just looked at him and he ran away.   he looked old, he carried a cane and had some lost teeth.

#18 Posted by darksamus (12 posts) -
@iam3green: Dude his job was the selling the newspaper :S
#19 Posted by Colonel_Cool (808 posts) -

It's their own fault for becoming addicted to drugs in the first place. And even though they don't have anything, they could at least find a minimum wage job that requires no type of skill if they really wanted out of their situation.

#20 Posted by artofwar420 (6276 posts) -

I always struggle with this. Some of them are drug addicts, others might be mentally ill, a few others probably don't mind it. Then I bet there's a few who just made a couple of wrong decisions and now sleep under the freeway.
 
@Colonel_Cool said:

" It's their own fault for becoming addicted to drugs in the first place. And even though they don't have anything, they could at least find a minimum wage job that requires no type of skill if they really wanted out of their situation. "

It's pretty hard to find a job if you don't live anywhere. Really, employers want an address. So I believe, whatever their story is, they're human beings and deserve help.
#21 Posted by slinky6 (567 posts) -
@mikecardii said:
" The vast majority of homelessness is caused by the incompetence of the government to help those who have serious addictions and/or mental disorders. "
You're right that the government is incompetent, but you're wrong that it should be government's job to help homeless people (in this increasingly socialist world it soon will be the government's job, but it never SHOULD be).   If you really care then go out and personally help these people or join a private organization that helps them.   You can't legislate compassion, and if history has shown us anything big government never does a better job of running people's lives than the people themselves.   FUCK.   SOCIALISM.
#22 Posted by Radar (887 posts) -

They're lazy.

#23 Posted by TheSovereign (50 posts) -
@slinky6 said:
  You can't legislate compassion, and if history has shown us anything big government never does a better job of running people's lives than the people themselves.   FUCK.   SOCIALISM. "
Yeah, why can't we return to the good old days like in the turn of the century when most people worked 18 hours a day 7 days a week and small elite had it all. 
#24 Posted by slinky6 (567 posts) -
@TheSovereign said:
"worked 18 hours a day 7 days a week and small elite had it all.  "
That sounds like communism to me.
#25 Posted by GreggD (4486 posts) -
@Lind_L_Taylor said:
" They seem comfortable with who they are.  Why are you trying to change them? "
Wow, you're an idiot.
#26 Edited by WilliamRLBaker (4777 posts) -
@slinky6 said:

" @mikecardii said:

" The vast majority of homelessness is caused by the incompetence of the government to help those who have serious addictions and/or mental disorders. "

You're right that the government is incompetent, but you're wrong that it should be government's job to help homeless people (in this increasingly socialist world it soon will be the government's job, but it never SHOULD be).   If you really care then go out and personally help these people or join a private organization that helps them.   You can't legislate compassion, and if history has shown us anything big government never does a better job of running people's lives than the people themselves.   FUCK.   SOCIALISM. "
and what is the job of the government then? if not to help its people then what? there has to be a point when its the governments responsibility to do something, if not then it pretty much means there should be no government because all they are doing is sucking up money doing nothing and giving them selves huge salaries.
And if any thing history shows us that people are stupid and don't know what to do with them selves, a PERSON knows what to do but when you start dealing with communities you start getting the community stupidity overriding the community intelligence. 
Big government doesn't help, People are stupid...so there has a be a middle ground where the government is sufficiently big has the ability to do something and does it, and the people can regulate what is done and how big government gets.
 @slinky6 said:

" @TheSovereign said:

"worked 18 hours a day 7 days a week and small elite had it all.  "

That sounds like communism to me. "
the folly of government.
 
Communism and capitalism 2 sides of the same coin.
 
In one your expected to work 18 hours a day and give your money to the community and those in power benefit.
In the other your expected to work 18 hours a day and keep the money for your self and those in power still get it.
#27 Posted by Griddler (3344 posts) -

I must say I have never heard people calling homeless people lazy and most of the homeless people that is see in the UK are selling magazines anyway  so at least they're trying.

#28 Edited by imayellowfellow (558 posts) -

the thing about homeless people is a portion of them are a part of the "working poor" a segment of america that works maybe 10-12 hours a day making minimum wage. These people make so little that when a medical catastrophe hits they dont have the means to recuperate and generally wind up on the streets for a while or depend on shelters, only to return to working poor status later, or maybe stay on the streets.
 
 
o yea i actually made a movie about this for high school lollol, where we visited some soup kitchens to ask the volunteers and visiters about this and the homeless aren't generally the lazy bums they're portrayed to be (although some are still bum as fuck)

#29 Posted by Cloneslayer (1626 posts) -

on homeless guy in my town, Slippery Bob, is a guy who is actually pretty rich, but he is a crack head that cross dresses walks around town and hits on little girls while wearing white-out on his face like make-up. Needless to say everyone loves him.

#30 Posted by iam3green (14390 posts) -
@darksamus said:
" @iam3green: Dude his job was the selling the newspaper :S "
no, he was a bum.
#31 Posted by TheMustacheHero (6655 posts) -

People choose to be homeless. There's enough ways in today's world for a person who's hit rock bottom to get back on their feet. They just need to take initiative, and if they don't, they are lazy.

#32 Posted by KillaMaStA (859 posts) -

Homeless people are drunks and too lazy to do anything with their life.

 
The goverment should be harsher with those people.

#33 Posted by TheBigBeefy (157 posts) -

I've never heard anyone say homeless people are lazy. If anything they're reverting back to their savage roots and are living off the land. Unfortunately it's within a city and not the wild (as nature intended).

#34 Posted by Kr3lian (310 posts) -

I used to call homeless people lazy and then I grew up.  The end.

#35 Posted by Benjaminvdv (327 posts) -

What is it about politics that makes people such idiots.
 
1. The world isn't heading towards socialism, it used to head more left, but it isn't today.
2. Communism believes in equality for everyone, so everyone would have the same income, helping the poor while still maintaining a (big) difference in income is called socialism.
3. Although communism doesn't work imo as people will need differences to make them work harder and take risks etc, however the communism most of you know is completely bullcrap, the people are treated poorly and the country is/was usually run by a dictator, this is not what communism is about, I mean look at China, nothing that comes even close to communism, socialism or anything alike.
 
As for homeless people, well there are many different types, you got the addicts (drugs/alcohol), you got the mentally ill and you got regular people, just homeless. The first can be helped, I personally work with ex-addicts, most of them just got clean (with the help of my colleagues), they got shelter and they work towards a new life, which is actually good for the economy, we've got pretty much no homeless here and people go back to work. The mentally ill are helped as far as possible, some can have a regular life again, others can't, but we help them all because well... we aren't a bunch of douchebags who leave people rot on the streets even though they can't help themselves. And then you got the regular homeless people, the US saw a massive increase in that the past year due to your money grabbing bankers ripping people off by giving them the money to buy a big house even though they knew those people couldn't afford it after a few years, now when that time has coming, regular people like you and me are forced out of their house because they don't have the money to stay in it. But ofcourse, in your opinion those people are lazy, because if they weren't then they could take up another 2 jobs and pay for it, right?
Oh and as for homeless people working, incase you didn't know, first of all the economy is completely shit, again thanks to money grabbing fags, so if a job opens up, then they tend to give that to a person who wears clean cloths and that sort of thing.
 
Life is hard, stop judging others if you have no clue how things go... there is a reason why over 90% of the drug addicts also require psychiatric help, they didn't plan to be a addict, most of them had a fucked up life.

#36 Posted by keyhunter (3207 posts) -

You now what upsets me? People who think homeless people aren't lazy.

#37 Posted by SaucySala (344 posts) -
@Cloneslayer said:
" on homeless guy in my town, Slippery Bob, is a guy who is actually pretty rich, but he is a crack head that cross dresses walks around town and hits on little girls while wearing white-out on his face like make-up. Needless to say everyone loves him. "
That's the best thing I ever heard.
#38 Posted by Benjaminvdv (327 posts) -
@keyhunter said:
" You now what upsets me? People who think homeless people aren't lazy. "
So you think the following person is lazy?
 
A man goes to the bank, this man has 1 child and another on the way, with his family growing he wants more room, he also likes to live in a nice neighborhood for his children to grow up in, so here he is at the bank, he has a regular job, nothing special, but he can take care of his family, so the banker tells him his options, the economy is thriving he tells him, this is the moment to buy a nice house, he can afford it, the man looks over the papers and it looks indeed like he can afford this. So he buys the house. Several years later the payments for the house increase bigtime, they got some saving so they can manage, his wife tries to find a job, he tries to find a second job but they have trouble finding it because of the economy and after a few months they start to miss payment, a few months later they get kicked out of the house with a huge debt.
 
Now is that a lazy family or not? Because this is reality, this is what is happening on a massive scale, by saying they are lazy just makes you another stupid ignorant fool. Ofcourse there are lazy homeless, but you can't judge everyone the same way because it goes for some.
 
You need to open your eyes for the reality, I mean what I just wrote is even a positive situation, because they guy still got a job, the same thing also happened with people who got laid off because of cutbacks.
Seriously, get real.
#39 Posted by EvilDingo (589 posts) -

I somehow believe that the general american acceptance of hate towards people without jobs, is directly connected to how religious the country is. 
After all, why wouldn't God help them out of their situation, if they didn't somehow deserve being put in it in the first place. 
So this general way of thinking I believe is also the cause behind their general fear of anything *seemingly* socialistic.

#40 Posted by Cloneslayer (1626 posts) -

 why do people hate socialism? If things like socialism and communism actually worked they would be way better than capitalism. yet they don't and probably can't in all reality. capitalism isn't looking too good now-a-days either. You know what was a good system, the barter system.
 
 I'll trade you two chickens and a sack of potatoes for MW2!  
 

@EvilDingo said:

" After all, why wouldn't God help them out of their situation, if they didn't somehow deserve being put in it in the first place.. "
Who thinks this? I been a practicing Christan for year and never have I heard this from people I know. Damn religious extremists making my religion look bad! Normal people don't believe this shit.
 
God, the world is stupid...
#41 Posted by KaosAngel (13765 posts) -

There's a lot of homeless people in Tokyo.  Every night in Shibuya I see a lot of them sleeping in boxes.  They often come up to me if I have a drink and they just point at it....I just give it to them.  It isn't their fault.  I can't stand people who just throw homeless people the "they are worthless bone".  
 
When I was dating this one girl, she never understood the value of money...and I told her I grew up in a poor household as a kid due to being an immigrant.  She just brushed it off and told me you're financially okay now.  I got so pissed.  She used to call homeless people worse than trash in Japanese.
 
When I see homeless people...I see the failure of the Government that's honor-bound to help them.

#42 Edited by EvilDingo (589 posts) -
@Cloneslayer:  
I said it was something, I believe a religious society does. And I didn't mean that people says it outright. 
I just think it's more something the majority of religious people believe unconsciously.  
If you do good things you are rewarded - if you do bad things you are punished. I.E. people get what they deserve. 
 
Of cause I don't claim to say everybody think this way.  
After all it is democratic leadership that's currently elected, which without any question is more socialistic in nature that republicans.
#43 Edited by Crocio (542 posts) -

I'm sure with the worlds modern education system,
the far majority of people who believe this are either children or teenagers.
Now if the everyone's public education system was like Germany's, we'd have no naive fools!

#44 Posted by Benjaminvdv (327 posts) -
@Cloneslayer said:
"  why do people hate socialism? If things like socialism and communism actually worked they would be way better than capitalism. yet they don't and probably can't in all reality."
Socialism can work, communism however can't. Communism fails due to the fact that everyone would be equal, why do you work your ass off? Simply, more money, we all do it, if the amount of money didn't increase (or atleast if you worked harder, then you would have 1 cent extra every year?), then no one would bother to do anything more then they needed to. In a perfect world it would work though, but the only way to get rid of greed is if there is nothing to be greedy about, so you would need to have infinite resources so that everyone can have what they want. Socialism can work simply because it doesn't get rid of businesses or high paying jobs, it just taxes people more who have more, you would still have millionaires and billionaires, so there would still be plenty of reason for people to work their ass off.
Capitalism has obviously failed, not only does the US have massive amounts of really poor people, homeless people, uninsured people etc etc, the average wealth per person is actually lower then that in the Netherlands and if you consider that the US has/had many things that would make their economy so much stronger then any other country it's obvious that with the 16th spot for wealth per capita the political views in the US has failed to keep a strong economy, infact the whole crisis is proof of that.
#45 Posted by jakob187 (21662 posts) -
@mikecardii said:
" The vast majority of homelessness is caused by the incompetence of the government to help those who have serious addictions and/or mental disorders. "
No.  Those people could easily get help from the government for their ailments, and there are free rehabilitation clinics that you can go to for your addictions.  There is a small percentage of the homeless who CHOOSE to live that way, and they are not beggars.  They will work for the money they make, but for the most part, they live off the land and not the dumpster.   
 
There's a homeless guy here in my town that chooses to be homeless.  He sleeps at a local church (he's a former pastor as well), and he works odds and ends for folks around the town.  People know he is a good man.  He doesn't feel the need for worldly possessions, but it's tough for people to understand him.  Then again, the dood could be certified MENSA.  He's super fucking intelligent. 
 
The vast majority, however, happen to be lazy as fuck, like the homeless dood that constantly tries to walk into our store at 11pm with a 40 in his hand, dirty as shit, trying to sleep in our chairs.  Instead of buying a 40, he could've bought a shower down at the Flying J.  Irresponsible people being lazy and irresponsible.  Simple as that.
#46 Posted by pause422 (6178 posts) -

Homeless people are lazy fucks. There, get really upset.

#47 Posted by CL60 (16906 posts) -
@pause422 said:
" Homeless people are lazy fucks. There, get really upset. "
Not all of them.
#48 Posted by Muttinus_Rump (814 posts) -

For all the people telling them to go get a job. How many people do you think would employ a homeless person if they walked into their store? No one. Use your fucking brains people.

#49 Posted by Benjaminvdv (327 posts) -
@CL60 said:
" @pause422 said:
" Homeless people are lazy fucks. There, get really upset. "
Not all of them. "
Ah but don't you know that the world is black and white.
 
I know this man, he used to be homeless, he was about 50 when he got homeless and he was a drunk at the time, now most people would say, well that's his own damn fault, ofcourse this man did loose his daughter, his daughter committed suicide shortly after her daughter got killed in a accident. But yeah, it was his own fault for becoming a drunk and homeless, sure his family died, but hey he shouldn't be a lazy fuck and just get to work and get over it.
 
I truly believe every person in the world should be forced to work at some place where you meet people like this, it's so simple to judge people you don't know and don't want to know about, but having worked the past 3 years with people with all sorts of backgrounds, ranging from alcohol/drug addicts to violent criminals but also people with schizophrenia etc etc, none of them were as simple as lazy, or scum or anything like that.
 
I find it impossible to understand that people can still be this ignorant, I can understand that people aren't as open-minded as I am (I had a different view on things a few years ago aswell), but this ignorant is just stupid, I would like to say it's retarded but the fact is that most retarded people aren't this stupid.
#50 Posted by skye144 (14 posts) -

so your saying it is the governments problem to help someone who chose to use drugs and or alcohol? It is in no way the governments responsibility to spend taxpayers money on people like that.