Posted by Aegon (5639 posts) 10 months, 4 days ago

Poll: Korra is the worst avatar ever. (516 votes)

Yes 33%
No 38%
No, that other water tribe avatar was the worst. 29%

Whiny, incompetent, ungrateful, doesn't learn from her mistakes, makes really dumb mistakes consistently, ADHD, deals clumsily with emotional, physical and spiritual challenges. She's worse than the last Water tribe Avatar who lost his face to that thing. Speaking of which, do you remember how well Aang dealt with that situation despite his fear? That sort of tension and atmosphere has never been present in the Korra series. And for some reason all the bad guys are from the water tribe now; Amon, Tarrlok, Korra's uncle, that rich guy, etc. What is up with that? It makes me sad thinking of how well developed and likeable Sokka and Katara were and then looking at this sorry lot of characters. Ugh. They had their issues, but they learned from their mistakes and grew up. A lot of what Aang accomplished would have been impossible without those two. Korra seems unable and unwilling to learn.

"YOU'RE EITHER WITH ME OR AGAINST ME! NEVER DOUBT ME I'M THE AVATAR!!!!"

*gets ass handed to her*

Yes, this was a nerdy rant about a cartoon, deal with it.

#201 Edited by EXTomar (4736 posts) -

The issue with "Amon" is that he didn't appear to have much of a plan beyond "take over the city!" but nothing indicating he had anything more than just doing that. Taking over the city and beating down benders is a threat but but the lack of an aim or goal beyond base power grab seems more like a criminal issue than something that "I'm restoring the balance damn it!" Korra should have taken so long to figure out.

That said there were some interesting themes played with bender/non-bender relationships that could have been played further with but are ignored which maybe the real problem with Book 1.

#202 Posted by MarkWahlberg (4605 posts) -

That finale was awesome but jeez...poor Korra.

Yeah really. I skipped season 2 as advised by many, but season 1 ended with her contemplating suicide, and now this. Girl can't catch a break. Although having all the Airbenders become the Avatar Corps is a cool idea (and totally won't cause any problems at all...)

I'm really not surprised that Nick didn't air these episodes though. Off-screen exploding heads and explicit torture sequences do not a kid's show make.

#203 Posted by EXTomar (4736 posts) -

So a kids show would have on screen exploding heads? :)

The issues with Nick have been manifold due to increased competition from Disney Channel where having such an action packed and violent show like Korra just compounds their confusion. Previous seasons I could get the show by itunes and amazon but who knows when they'll release this.

#205 Posted by MatthewTheBeast (167 posts) -

@liquidprince:

Heh. Unfortunately I am one of those who were quick to judge. Though my memory of season 1 was a tad lazy, the romance bits were the least of the season's problems. I believe the purpose of it were much in the same vein as bending games character building from teamwork and social interaction. Both of which I found lackluster, but based on from what you said in this thread I can sort of see what they were trying to do. Maybe it was just the writing that killed it for me, dunno. Much like BabyChooChoo, let's agree to disagree.

Although that being said, I will try to see the Legend Of Korra from your view in the future by marathoning seasons 1, 2 and 3. Perhaps with some director commentary if I can get the blu-rays for 1 & 2 on the cheap. Plus, it'll be interesting to see a semi-complete series with such a disjointed production history and how it tries to get things together. Fresh in the mind and etc etc.

#206 Posted by TheAcidSkull (436 posts) -

@liquidprince:

Heh. Unfortunately I am one of those who were quick to judge. Though my memory of season 1 was a tad lazy, the romance bits were the least of the season's problems. I believe the purpose of it were much in the same vein as bending games character building from teamwork and social interaction. Both of which I found lackluster, but based on from what you said in this thread I can sort of see what they were trying to do. Maybe it was just the writing that killed it for me, dunno. Much like BabyChooChoo, let's agree to disagree.

Although that being said, I will try to see the Legend Of Korra from your view in the future by marathoning seasons 1, 2 and 3. Perhaps with some director commentary if I can get the blu-rays for 1 & 2 on the cheap. Plus, it'll be interesting to see a semi-complete series with such a disjointed production history and how it tries to get things together. Fresh in the mind and etc etc.

Honestly, I'm rewatching the series right now. I'm enjoying season 1 for the most part, the only real problem i've personally encountered is the romance and the way it's handled.

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#207 Posted by hohosaregood (14 posts) -

I think the big problem with the show is that the creators didn't know how many seasons/episodes they would have to actually tell their story. IIRC the first season was supposed to be the only one, then they added more episodes to the first season. All while having way fewer episodes in total compared to the first series. Makes for bad flow from season to season when the creators don't know if they should make a more complex overarching story or a more self-contained single season story. This is why I think season 3 is so much better since they also knew they'd have a season 4 to continue the story on to.

#208 Edited by LiquidPrince (15949 posts) -

@matthewthebeast said:

@liquidprince:

Heh. Unfortunately I am one of those who were quick to judge. Though my memory of season 1 was a tad lazy, the romance bits were the least of the season's problems. I believe the purpose of it were much in the same vein as bending games character building from teamwork and social interaction. Both of which I found lackluster, but based on from what you said in this thread I can sort of see what they were trying to do. Maybe it was just the writing that killed it for me, dunno. Much like BabyChooChoo, let's agree to disagree.

Although that being said, I will try to see the Legend Of Korra from your view in the future by marathoning seasons 1, 2 and 3. Perhaps with some director commentary if I can get the blu-rays for 1 & 2 on the cheap. Plus, it'll be interesting to see a semi-complete series with such a disjointed production history and how it tries to get things together. Fresh in the mind and etc etc.

That's cool to hear. Hopefully you'll appreciate it differently if you see it again. But for the record, the history of Korra's production isn't THAT disjointed. It originally started as a single season series, but very early into Book One Nickeldoeon ordered it to be turned into a four season series, and most of Book One through to Book Four were all sketched out, planned and written back to back.

#209 Edited by MatthewTheBeast (167 posts) -
@liquidprince said:

@matthewthebeast said:

@liquidprince:

Heh. Unfortunately I am one of those who were quick to judge. Though my memory of season 1 was a tad lazy, the romance bits were the least of the season's problems. I believe the purpose of it were much in the same vein as bending games character building from teamwork and social interaction. Both of which I found lackluster, but based on from what you said in this thread I can sort of see what they were trying to do. Maybe it was just the writing that killed it for me, dunno. Much like BabyChooChoo, let's agree to disagree.

Although that being said, I will try to see the Legend Of Korra from your view in the future by marathoning seasons 1, 2 and 3. Perhaps with some director commentary if I can get the blu-rays for 1 & 2 on the cheap. Plus, it'll be interesting to see a semi-complete series with such a disjointed production history and how it tries to get things together. Fresh in the mind and etc etc.

That's cool to hear. Hopefully you'll appreciate it differently if you see it again. But for the record, the history of Korra's production isn't THAT disjointed. It originally started as a single season series, but very early into Book One Nickeldoeon ordered it to be turned into a four season series, and most of Book One through to Book 4 were all sketched out, planned and written back to back.

Hm.. I thought Nick only renewed Korra for second season mid-way or the end of season 1? (the announcement was made around early July of 2012). Then at around the second season they ordered another two seasons( 3 & 4). Although if I was right it means that had roughly 14 months of pre/production time for season 2. While season 1/setting/characters/animation/style/etc took roughly 2 years.

Edit: This is mainly based on memory from interviews and articles. Including wikipedia of series overview for some minor fact checking on dates.

#210 Posted by LiquidPrince (15949 posts) -

@liquidprince said:

@matthewthebeast said:

@liquidprince:

Heh. Unfortunately I am one of those who were quick to judge. Though my memory of season 1 was a tad lazy, the romance bits were the least of the season's problems. I believe the purpose of it were much in the same vein as bending games character building from teamwork and social interaction. Both of which I found lackluster, but based on from what you said in this thread I can sort of see what they were trying to do. Maybe it was just the writing that killed it for me, dunno. Much like BabyChooChoo, let's agree to disagree.

Although that being said, I will try to see the Legend Of Korra from your view in the future by marathoning seasons 1, 2 and 3. Perhaps with some director commentary if I can get the blu-rays for 1 & 2 on the cheap. Plus, it'll be interesting to see a semi-complete series with such a disjointed production history and how it tries to get things together. Fresh in the mind and etc etc.

That's cool to hear. Hopefully you'll appreciate it differently if you see it again. But for the record, the history of Korra's production isn't THAT disjointed. It originally started as a single season series, but very early into Book One Nickeldoeon ordered it to be turned into a four season series, and most of Book One through to Book 4 were all sketched out, planned and written back to back.

Hm.. I thought Nick only renewed Korra for second season mid-way or the end of season 1? (the announcement was made around early July of 2012). Then at around the second season they ordered another two seasons( 3 & 4). Although if I was right it means that had roughly 14 months of pre/production time for season 2. While season 1/setting/characters/animation/style/etc took roughly 2 years.

Edit: This is mainly based on memory from interviews and articles. Including wikipedia of series overview for some minor fact checking on dates.

You could be right, although like you, I remember it the way I mentioned previously. I'm pretty sure that Book's 2 to 4 were ordered at the same time, or very quickly afterwards.

#211 Edited by Octaslash (528 posts) -

@walkmanboy said:

That finale was awesome but jeez...poor Korra.

Yeah really. I skipped season 2 as advised by many, but season 1 ended with her contemplating suicide, and now this.

I highly recommend watching season 2. It has two of the best episodes in the entire series that are also important to the mythology. The second half of that season is pretty great in general.

#212 Posted by UnstoppableBomb (6 posts) -

For me, Ang is the best

#213 Edited by MatthewTheBeast (167 posts) -

Hey lads, guess what? Season 4 is coming in... 3 weeks. Whelp.

I'll be interested in hearing what they'll say about this at their NY ComicCon panel.

#214 Posted by Aegon (5639 posts) -

@matthewthebeast: Whaaaat? They said they were already in post-production on that nerdist podcast, but I didn't know it would be this soon. I'm actually kind of excited.

#215 Posted by billymagnum (827 posts) -

when is this series going to end?

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#216 Posted by Jocund (125 posts) -

@billymagnum: Book 4 is the last planned book. Even if it wasn't, with how Nick has been treating this show I doubt they'd have any luck producing a Book 5.

#217 Posted by Turtlebird95 (2390 posts) -

October?! Daaaamn, that's really fucking soon! I picked a great time to binge watch the series.

@billymagnum Probably in either January or February of next year, assuming we get one episode every week. (In past seasons, they would occasionally bundle two episodes in one, but since it's online only now I don't think they'll do any of that.)

#218 Posted by pyrodactyl (2040 posts) -

Hey lads, guess what? Season 4 is coming in... 3 weeks. Whelp.

I'll be interested in hearing what they'll say about this at their NY ComicCon panel.

I, hum, what?

#219 Edited by billymagnum (827 posts) -
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#220 Posted by Octaslash (528 posts) -

Nickelodeon really mishandled the advertising for Korra. However, Korra was originally supposed to be a one season show, yet Nick picked it up for three more seasons (all at once). The creators never intended to go further than that. Season 4 was intended to be the final season. They've been given the chance to give the entire universe a proper ending and I'm pretty grateful, considering most shows don't get that chance. All in all, it's actually a pretty cool move from Nickelodeon to air the final season immediately instead of making us wait until they had the proper time slot so they could capitalize on ratings.

#221 Posted by CheapPoison (731 posts) -

@octaslash: Pretty sure, when all is said and done they released it now because they can ride the wave of interest before it cools down I think.
I might be overestimating it.

#222 Posted by ll_Exile_ll (1704 posts) -

I really hope this isn't the end of the avatar universe. Book 4 has been set as the end for Korra for a while now, but the with Nick's apparent dissatisfaction in the show's performance (compounded by their terrible handling of it) I fear the hope for a third series is very slim.

I love The Last Airbender, and despite some of the missteps I really like The Legend of Korra as well. I don't want this amazing fictional universe to end here, but I don't see any way another series gets greenlit now. Hell, maybe the upcoming game will do well and the universe can continue in the form of a new game series, but I doubt that too.

I think the biggest problem is that these shows are so unlike anything else Nick does and they have shown they have no idea what to with a show that has an audience that is, generally speaking, much older than any of their other programming. It's a shame Nickelodeon owns the property outright, because I could really see it succeeding somewhere more fitting for its tone and audience (likely a streaming service).