This is great news, but the god-damn UN could have done the whole process a bit more hastily. Hopefully this spells the end for Gaddafi and his tyrannical rule. The rebels -and the Libyan people in general - deserve some respite from the conflict, for however long it might last.
" After reading through this thread and comparing it to another I've read on other forums, I can confirm that Giantbombers are either ignorant, cynical or assholes. I'm surprised China and Russia abstained their votes at any rate. "
About fucking time the world stopped dragging it's feet. Then again the only two countries going in are Canada and the US. Looks like Canada is sending six CF-18's to enforce the no-fly zone while the Americans bring the thunder.
" About fucking time the world stopped dragging it's feet. Then again the only two countries going in are Canada and the US. Looks like Canada is sending six CF-18's to enforce the no-fly zone while the Americans bring the thunder. "
The UK are sending Tornado GR4's and France are sending Mirage F1's.
This decision should have been made as soon as the rebels had the upper had, keeping the maniac pinned down in Tripoli allowing his own people to finish him off. At this stage we should expect months of back and forth.
My flat-mate is Libyan and I'm embarrassed to mention it too him. I can't imagine how it must feel to have your family in the centre of a civil war.
" @Ahmad_Metallic Your posts are confusing , Once you're all for Arabs (your own people ) and in other threads you right out insult them . "
i never was for Arabs. between you and me i think my race stinks to high heaven. but this isnt about whom im for or against, its not so black and white, and i dont have to pick sides i like america, and i dislike my people (its the truth, im not kissing ass), yet i do believe that America is a greedy neo invader who dominates and takes advantage of arab countries only to exploit them and fuck around, piling naked prisoners and shooting their balls in the process
@Wunder_ said:
" @Ahmad_Metallic: Or an uninformed opinion attempting the generate support? Observations are things that actually have fact. "
and it is fact that Somalia, Iraq, Afghanistan and Pakistan are just shoes the US is wearing, isnt it ?
Nice to see the UN having the balls to step and do something for once. and a measured response too. Glad they arent going with troops on the ground for now at least.
" and there goes Libya's freedom.. just another arab country with america's dick up its ass enjoying ruling and exploiting it, get all the resources and oil you can "
You realize it's a United Nations measure to protect civilians from being mindlessly killed by a tyrant in the midst of a power struggle, right? And that America isn't even involved in the first set of operations, since France and Britain will begin any bombing with support from other Arab nations? This is what the UN is for. "
Lookin at it backwards, as US is just a british controlled colony still, atleast if you look at the men in power in the US and their bloodlines.
Looks like this action caused Libya to declare a ceasefire: From the Associated Press:
TRIPOLI, Libya - Foreign Minister Moussa Koussa says Libya is declaring an immediate cease-fire and stopping all military operations.
Friday's decision comes after the U.N. voted to authorized a no-fly zone and "all necessary measures" to protect the Libyan people, including airstrikes.
Koussa says the cease-fire "will take the country back to safety" and ensure security for all Libyans.
But he also criticized the authorization of international military action, calling it a violation of Libya's sovereignty.
@Ahmad_Metallic: ...because Iraq and Afghanistan are definitely worse off than they were pre-9/11
O.o
Grow up, man. Obviously the US has its own ideology and reasoning for going into these countries, but it also serves an intrinsic good.
Afghanistan was ruined by the Taliban, but there has (arguably) been a lot of change/chance for change since.
It's a shame things like this totally go against the point I'm trying to make (clarification: US bombing the Waziristan region, not Pakistan boycotting the meeting. The latter is totally justifed).
" They're planting the seeds for another war, I have to agree with that logic... "
There's already a war. "
A war is when TWO sides are fighting.
The cease-fire may be a tremendous LIE but there is no all out war yet. Let us not jump to conclusions. I am in agreement that Gadafi (or however you spell his stupid name, he isn't even bloody sure) is a complete nutcase and will enforce a war to the best of his 'ability' but I am expecting a quick end to this.
Libya was bombing its own civilians, the no fly zone keeps that from happening. And it doesn't neccesitate a war later at all, but if it did its worth noting the Libyan rebel force is asking for the help.. And dumbasses object to it anyway. Internet never fails to impress.
" @GetEveryone: ideology? the US has no ideology, it is all about money, power and control(i'm all ok with that), just don't tell me it's ideology, pff. "
I don't think ideology means what you think it does. You say they have none, then outline exactly what it is.
They most definitely do have an ideology, it just isn't likely in line with yours.
A war is organised. Rebel fighting is happening all over the world each and every single day...only reason we're covering this one so much is because they have oil. But of course, you already knew that.
...Ameeeeeericaaaa Fuck Yeah.....-_- sigh here we go a-bloody-gain.
I don't like war, and do not approve the ones we got into. we elevated Iran and didn't do our mission in Afghanistan, but i think the Libya one would be a safer bet to pick. If you do not alienate the populace, it's militarily in and out. eliminate Gaddafi and sons, give the ppl. their chance. the fighting and bitching after that would be their own. only thing to suppress is the Halliburton lobby and A Qaeda.
" @GetEveryone: Well they want you to belive their ideology has to do with freedom and democracy, but that's not the case. So they have no ideology, just a hidden agenda. "
Nope. I'll try this once more.
As detailed in their Strategic Defence Plans (2002/2010) and so on, America's ideology is something akin to that of neo-imperialism. By exerting pressure and influence over the wider world, they gain a stronger foothold. Those details of their 'hidden agenda', which you posted above (money/power/control) is their ideology.
Ideology isn't necessarily an inherently good thing.
@GetEveryone: That is true, but ideology is something you stand by proudly, like the Nazi, even if the rest of the world see you as evil, but the US lobbyists hide theirs behind lies, hence hidden agenda.
actually i love America.. you gave me metal music,
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I take offense to the fact you're confusing America with Sweden. "
what does Sweden have to do with this? if theres anyone that should take offense, its the Brits, since Black Sabbath created metal what i meant was that the US co-created it ^^
" @august: A war is organised. Rebel fighting is happening all over the world each and every single day...only reason we're covering this one so much is because they have oil. But of course, you already knew that. ...Ameeeeeericaaaa Fuck Yeah.....-_- sigh here we go a-bloody-gain. "
None of that is true at all. And I could prove it by asking you what country this happened in yesterday that nobody covered and where its happening today that's not being covered. And you wouldn't have an answer because you're full of shit and just spouting asinine talking points. Take a time out while the adults talk. Libya is a big deal because its such a large rebellion. Kind of like Tunisia was a big deal, even without the oil. And Bahrain. And Egypt. Fucking retard.
" Libya was bombing its own civilians, the no fly zone keeps that from happening. And it doesn't neccesitate a war later at all, but if it did its worth noting the Libyan rebel force is asking for the help.. And dumbasses object to it anyway. Internet never fails to impress. "
BUT WHAT ABOUT OUR REPUTATION TOURISTS WILL HATE US NOW:((((((
Anyone who followed the news in the last couple of weeks knows that the situation has been escalating faster than bullets on the ground, action should have been taken much earlier than now and I fear that all these efforts will go for naught.
@august: Damn, shows how little I know of Russia and China :/ But would you agree this is more about business then actually saving people?
edit: I didn't mean being so harsh, I never really liked the UN, mostly because of the Veto vote system, but seems they finally did a good decision, too bad it didn't stop the Iraqi war :/
actually i love America.. you gave me metal music,
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I take offense to the fact you're confusing America with Sweden. "
what does Sweden have to do with this? if theres anyone that should take offense, its the Brits, since Black Sabbath created metal what i meant was that the US co-created it ^^
"
LOL Metalheads don't know their own history, this is the most hilarious thing I've seen in a while XD
I don't know what you guys are arguing about, the rest of the western world is already in deployment phase:
In an interview with RTL radio, French government spokesman Francois Baroin said France plans to participate in "swift" efforts.
British Prime Minister David Cameron said the United Kingdom has started preparations to deploy aircraft, and "in the coming hours" they will move to air bases where they will be positioned for any "necessary action."
Spain will offer NATO the use of two military bases and provide air and naval forces for use in operations involving Libya,
Italian Foreign Minister Franco Frattini said it is closing the Italian Embassy in Tripoli and will actively participate in the effort.
Even Canada,
Canadian Prime Minister Stephen Harper said Canada is sending CF-18 fighter jets to join a Canadian warship on standby off the coast of Libya.
While US, is still talking
The Pentagon, meanwhile, announced Friday that Defense Secretary Robert Gates will travel to Russia this weekend as the United States and other nations deliberate action against Libya.
actually i love America.. you gave me metal music,
"
I take offense to the fact you're confusing America with Sweden.
"
what does Sweden have to do with this? if theres anyone that should take offense, its the Brits, since Black Sabbath created metal what i meant was that the US co-created it ^^
"
LOL Metalheads don't know their own history, this is the most hilarious thing I've seen in a while XD
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Oh I know the history. It's just that TRUE metal comes from Sweden and other Scandinavian/Nordic/Germanic countries.
actually i love America.. you gave me metal music,
"
I take offense to the fact you're confusing America with Sweden.
"
what does Sweden have to do with this? if theres anyone that should take offense, its the Brits, since Black Sabbath created metal what i meant was that the US co-created it ^^
"
LOL Metalheads don't know their own history, this is the most hilarious thing I've seen in a while XD
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Oh I know the history. It's just that TRUE metal comes from Sweden and other Scandinavian/Nordic/Germanic countries. "
i think he's saying that I dont know metal history because im saying it came from Sabbath firstly, its not "my history".. its just a music genre, its not a religion. im proud to be ignorant or misinformed because too much knowledge doesnt feel right
and secondly, how did metal originate in Sweden? what bands are we talking here ? the greatest band of all time is Opeth, a swedish band, but we're talking origins so whats up ?
actually i love America.. you gave me metal music,
"
I take offense to the fact you're confusing America with Sweden.
"
what does Sweden have to do with this? if theres anyone that should take offense, its the Brits, since Black Sabbath created metal what i meant was that the US co-created it ^^
"
LOL Metalheads don't know their own history, this is the most hilarious thing I've seen in a while XD
"
Oh I know the history. It's just that TRUE metal comes from Sweden and other Scandinavian/Nordic/Germanic countries. "
i think he's saying that I dont know metal history because im saying it came from Sabbath firstly, its not "my history".. its just a music genre, its not a religion. im proud to be ignorant or misinformed because too much knowledge doesnt feel right and secondly, how did metal originate in Sweden? what bands are we talking here ? the greatest band of all time is Opeth, a swedish band, but we're talking origins so whats up ? "
Heavy Metal music originated with Black Sabbath, that is an historical fact! Get it right! I have no clue why any of you mention Swesen or the USA in regards to this issue.
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