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#12501 Posted by DrX25 (1530 posts) -

First off, hey guys it's been a while. I haven't seen any wrestling for the last month, so has anything happened that's newsworthy?

Second, I never counted up the Extreme Rules LoC stuff and I lost the stat page with the results to the weird questions I asked, so let's say it's a test run and Payback is the first real LoC under the new format.

Third, here's the LoC info:

So here are the official rules:

  • You don't have to sign up, just make predictions and I'll add ya to the rankings.
  • Simply predict the answers to each question and, for every correct one, you get a point (unless stated otherwise); you don't lose anything for getting it wrong.
  • You do not have to bet on every match and you don't have to answer every question.
  • Whoever is in #1 after the PPV is allowed to have the Championship belt in their avatar.
  • If your prediction post is edited after the PPV, then you are disqualified for the event.
  • You must have your predictions in before the PPV/Pre-Show begins.
  • If the match ends in a draw (if Mark Henry suplexes The Big Show and the ring implodes, etc.), the prediction is cancelled and no points will be awarded/taken away.
  • The LoC committee has the right to change the rules if necessary.

And here's the official list of Matches (via WWE.com):

Sheamus vs Damien Sandow - Payback Match Kickoff at 7:30 PM EDT on Youtube, Facebook, Yahoo, WWE Active and WWE.com:
Winner (2 pts):
Method of Victory (Pin, Submission, Count Out, DQ) (2 pts):

Divas Champion Kaitlyn vs AJ Lee - Singles Match for the Divas Championship:
Winner (2 pts):
Method of Victory (Pin, Submission, Count Out, DQ) (2 pts):

United States Champion Dean Ambrose vs Kane - Singles Match for the United States Championship
Winner (2 pts):
Method of Victory (2 pts):

Intercontinental Champion Wade Barrett vs Curtis Axel vs The Miz - Triple Threat Match for the Intercontinental Championship:
Winner (2 pts):
Method of Victory (Pin or Submission) (2 pts):
Person Pinned (2 pts):

WWE Tag Team Champions The Shield (Rollins and Reigns) vs Randy Orton and Daniel Bryan - Tag Team Match for the WWE Tag Team Championship:
Winners (2 pts):
Method of Victory (2 pts):
Person Who Won (1 pt):
Person Who Lost (1 pt):

CM Punk vs Chris Jericho - Singles Match:
Winner (2 pts):
Method of Victory (2 pts):
Does Heyman turn on Punk? (2 pts):

World Heavyweight Champion Dolph Ziggler vs Alberto Del Rio - Singles Match for the World Heavyweight Championship:
Winner (2 pts):
Method of Victory (2 pts):

WWE Champion John Cena vs Ryback - Three Stages of Hell Match for the WWE Championship:
Winner of Stage 1 (1 pt):
Method of Victory for Stage 1(2 pts):
Winner of Stage 2 (1 pt):
Winner of Stage 3 (1 pt):
Overall Winner (1 pt):

#12502 Edited by Lumley (960 posts) -

Sheamus vs Damien Sandow:

Winner (2 pts): Sheamus

Method of Victory (2 pts): Pin

Divas Champion Kaitlyn vs AJ Lee:

Winner (2 pts): AJ Lee

Method of Victory (2 pts): Submission (Butt tap out!)

United States Champion Dean Ambrose vs Kane:

Winner (2 pts): Dean Ambrose

Method of Victory (2 pts): Pin

Intercontinental Champion Wade Barrett vs Curtis Axel vs The Miz:

Winner (2 pts): Curtis Axel

Method of Victory (2 pts): Pin

Person Pinned (2 pts): The Miz (pleaseeee!)

WWE Tag Team Champions The Shield (Rollins and Reigns) vs Randy Orton and Daniel Bryan:

Winners (2 pts): The Shield

Method of Victory (2 pts): Pin

Person Who Won (1 pt): Seth Rollins

Person Who Lost (1 pt): Randy Orton

CM Punk vs Chris Jericho:

Winner (2 pts): CM Punk (if he turns up...)

Method of Victory (2 pts): Pin

Does Heyman turn on Punk? (2 pts): No

World Heavyweight Champion Dolph Ziggler vs Alberto Del Rio:

Winner (2 pts): Dolph Ziggler

Method of Victory (2 pts): Pin

WWE Champion John Cena vs Ryback - Three Stages of Hell Match for the WWE Championship:

Winner of Stage 1 (1 pt): John Cena

Method of Victory for Stage 1(2 pts): Submission

Winner of Stage 2 (1 pt): Ryback

Winner of Stage 3 (1 pt): John Cena

Overall Winner (1 pt): John Cena

#12503 Posted by lord_canti (1515 posts) -

@drx25: so it is no longer betting the points we already have on each matches its choose the winners and gain designated points?

#12504 Edited by Demoskinos (14877 posts) -

Sheamus vs Damien Sandow - Payback Match Kickoff at 7:30 PM EDT on Youtube, Facebook, Yahoo, WWE Active and WWE.com:

Winner (2 pts): Sheamus

Method of Victory (Pin, Submission, Count Out, DQ) (2 pts): Pinfall

Divas Champion Kaitlyn vs AJ Lee - Singles Match for the Divas Championship:

Winner (2 pts): AJ Lee

Method of Victory (Pin, Submission, Count Out, DQ) (2 pts): Pinfall

United States Champion Dean Ambrose vs Kane - Singles Match for the United States Championship

Winner (2 pts): Kane

Method of Victory (2 pts): DQ

Intercontinental Champion Wade Barrett vs Curtis Axel vs The Miz - Triple Threat Match for the Intercontinental Championship:

Winner (2 pts): Curtis Axel

Method of Victory (Pin or Submission) (2 pts): Pinfall

Person Pinned (2 pts): The Miz

WWE Tag Team Champions The Shield (Rollins and Reigns) vs Randy Orton and Daniel Bryan - Tag Team Match for the WWE Tag Team Championship:

Winners (2 pts): Shield

Method of Victory (2 pts): Pinfall

Person Who Won (1 pt): Reigns

Person Who Lost (1 pt): Randy Orton

CM Punk vs Chris Jericho - Singles Match:

Winner (2 pts): CM Punk

Method of Victory (2 pts): Pinfall

Does Heyman turn on Punk? (2 pts): YES

World Heavyweight Champion Dolph Ziggler vs Alberto Del Rio - Singles Match for the World Heavyweight Championship:

Winner (2 pts): Ziggler

Method of Victory (2 pts): Pinfall

WWE Champion John Cena vs Ryback - Three Stages of Hell Match for the WWE Championship:

Winner of Stage 1 (1 pt): Ryback

Method of Victory for Stage 1(2 pts):Pinfall

Winner of Stage 2 (1 pt): Cena

Winner of Stage 3 (1 pt): Cena

Overall Winner (1 pt): Cena

#12505 Edited by RipTheVeins (1546 posts) -
#12506 Edited by DrX25 (1530 posts) -

@lord_canti: Yes, pretty much. The old system was dropped after Mania because upward movement was really hard in the old style.

#12507 Edited by joshthebear (2700 posts) -

Sheamus vs Damien Sandow - Payback Match Kickoff at 7:30 PM EDT on Youtube, Facebook, Yahoo, WWE Active and WWE.com:

Winner (2 pts): Sheamus

Method of Victory (Pin, Submission, Count Out, DQ) (2 pts): Pin

Divas Champion Kaitlyn vs AJ Lee - Singles Match for the Divas Championship:

Winner (2 pts): Kaitlyn

Method of Victory (Pin, Submission, Count Out, DQ) (2 pts): Pin

United States Champion Dean Ambrose vs Kane - Singles Match for the United States Championship

Winner (2 pts): Ambrose

Method of Victory (2 pts): Pin

Intercontinental Champion Wade Barrett vs Curtis Axel vs The Miz - Triple Threat Match for the Intercontinental Championship:

Winner (2 pts): Curtis Axel

Method of Victory (Pin or Submission) (2 pts): Pin

Person Pinned (2 pts): Barrett

WWE Tag Team Champions The Shield (Rollins and Reigns) vs Randy Orton and Daniel Bryan - Tag Team Match for the WWE Tag Team Championship:

Winners (2 pts): Shield

Method of Victory (2 pts): Pin

Person Who Won (1 pt): Rollins

Person Who Lost (1 pt): Randy Orton

CM Punk vs Chris Jericho - Singles Match:

Winner (2 pts): CM Punk

Method of Victory (2 pts): Pin

Does Heyman turn on Punk? (2 pts): No

World Heavyweight Champion Dolph Ziggler vs Alberto Del Rio - Singles Match for the World Heavyweight Championship:

Winner (2 pts): Ziggler

Method of Victory (2 pts): Pin

WWE Champion John Cena vs Ryback - Three Stages of Hell Match for the WWE Championship:

Winner of Stage 1 (1 pt): Cena

Method of Victory for Stage 1(2 pts): Submission

Winner of Stage 2 (1 pt): Ryback

Winner of Stage 3 (1 pt): Cena

Overall Winner (1 pt): Cena

#12508 Posted by GunslingerPanda (4788 posts) -

Sheamus vs Damien Sandow - Payback Match Kickoff at 7:30 PM EDT on Youtube, Facebook, Yahoo, WWE Active and WWE.com:

Winner (2 pts): Shaymoose

Method of Victory (Pin, Submission, Count Out, DQ) (2 pts): Pin

Divas Champion Kaitlyn vs AJ Lee - Singles Match for the Divas Championship:

Winner (2 pts): AJ Lee

Method of Victory (Pin, Submission, Count Out, DQ) (2 pts): Pin

United States Champion Dean Ambrose vs Kane - Singles Match for the United States Championship

Winner (2 pts): Dean Ambrose

Method of Victory (2 pts): Pin

Intercontinental Champion Wade Barrett vs Curtis Axel vs The Miz - Triple Threat Match for the Intercontinental Championship:

Winner (2 pts): Curtis Axel

Method of Victory (Pin or Submission) (2 pts): Pin

Person Pinned (2 pts): The Miz

WWE Tag Team Champions The Shield (Rollins and Reigns) vs Randy Orton and Daniel Bryan - Tag Team Match for the WWE Tag Team Championship:

Winners (2 pts): The Shield

Method of Victory (2 pts): Pin

Person Who Won (1 pt): Reigns

Person Who Lost (1 pt): Daniel Bryan

CM Punk vs Chris Jericho - Singles Match: LOLOL Punk won't show up

Winner (2 pts): N/A

Method of Victory (2 pts): N/A

Does Heyman turn on Punk? (2 pts): N/A

World Heavyweight Champion Dolph Ziggler vs Alberto Del Rio - Singles Match for the World Heavyweight Championship:

Winner (2 pts): Dolph Ziggler

Method of Victory (2 pts): Pin

WWE Champion John Cena vs Ryback - Three Stages of Hell Match for the WWE Championship:

Winner of Stage 1 (1 pt): Cena

Method of Victory for Stage 1(2 pts): Pin

Winner of Stage 2 (1 pt): Ryback

Winner of Stage 3 (1 pt):Cena

Overall Winner (1 pt):Cena

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#12509 Posted by DrX25 (1530 posts) -

This is going to go well...:

Sheamus vs Damien Sandow - Payback Match Kickoff at 7:30 PM EDT on Youtube, Facebook, Yahoo, WWE Active and WWE.com:
Winner (2 pts): Sheamus
Method of Victory (Pin, Submission, Count Out, DQ) (2 pts): Pin

Divas Champion Kaitlyn vs AJ Lee - Singles Match for the Divas Championship:
Winner (2 pts): AJ Lee
Method of Victory (Pin, Submission, Count Out, DQ) (2 pts): DQ

United States Champion Dean Ambrose vs Kane - Singles Match for the United States Championship
Winner (2 pts): Dean Ambrose
Method of Victory (2 pts): Pin

Intercontinental Champion Wade Barrett vs Curtis Axel vs The Miz - Triple Threat Match for the Intercontinental Championship:
Winner (2 pts): Curtis Axel
Method of Victory (Pin or Submission) (2 pts): Pin
Person Pinned (2 pts): Wade Barrett

WWE Tag Team Champions The Shield (Rollins and Reigns) vs Randy Orton and Daniel Bryan - Tag Team Match for the WWE Tag Team Championship:
Winners (2 pts): The Shield
Method of Victory (2 pts): Pin
Person Who Won (1 pt): Roman Reigns
Person Who Lost (1 pt): Daniel Bryan

CM Punk vs Chris Jericho - Singles Match:
Winner (2 pts): Chris Jericho
Method of Victory (2 pts): Pin
Does Heyman turn on Punk? (2 pts): Yes

World Heavyweight Champion Dolph Ziggler vs Alberto Del Rio - Singles Match for the World Heavyweight Championship:
Winner (2 pts): Dolph Ziggler
Method of Victory (2 pts): Pin

WWE Champion John Cena vs Ryback - Three Stages of Hell Match for the WWE Championship:
Winner of Stage 1 (1 pt): John Cena
Method of Victory for Stage 1(2 pts): Count Out
Winner of Stage 2 (1 pt): Ryback
Winner of Stage 3 (1 pt): John Cena
Overall Winner (1 pt): John Cena

#12510 Posted by MayorMikeAckbar (33 posts) -

Sheamus vs Damien Sandow

  • Winner : Sheamus
  • Method of Victory : Pin

Divas Champion Kaitlyn vs AJ Lee

  • Winner : AJ Lee
  • Method of Victory : Submission

United States Champion Dean Ambrose vs Kane

  • Winner : Dean Ambrose
  • Method of Victory : Pin

Intercontinental Champion Wade Barrett vs Curtis Axel vs The Miz

  • Winner : Wade Barrett
  • Method of Victory : Pin
  • Person Pinned : The Miz

WWE Tag Team Champions The Shield (Rollins and Reigns) vs Randy Orton and Daniel Bryan

  • Winners : The Shield
  • Method of Victory : Pin
  • Person Who Won : Roman Reigns
  • Person Who Lost : Randy Orton

CM Punk vs Chris Jericho

  • Winner : Chris Jericho
  • Method of Victory : DQ
  • Does Heyman Turn on Punk : No

World Heavyweight Champion Dolph Ziggler vs Alberto Del Rio

  • Winner : Dolph Ziggler
  • Method of Victory : Pin

WWE Champion John Cena vs Ryback - Three Stages of Hell Match for the WWE Championship:

  • Winner of Stage 1 : Ryback
  • Method of Victory for Stage 1 : Pin
  • Winner of Stage 2 : John Cena
  • Winner of Stage 3 : John Cena
  • Overall Winner : John Cena
#12511 Edited by Aronleon (778 posts) -

Im not going to post another giant page of bets so I'll just steal Gunslingerpanda results as they are the same as mine, and that kinda scares me.

#12512 Edited by DazzHardy (725 posts) -

Sheamus vs Damien Sandow - Payback Match Kickoff at 7:30 PM EDT on Youtube, Facebook, Yahoo, WWE Active and WWE.com:

  • Winner (2 pts): Sheamus
  • Method of Victory (Pin, Submission, Count Out, DQ) (2 pts): Pinfall

Divas Champion Kaitlyn vs AJ Lee - Singles Match for the Divas Championship:

  • Winner (2 pts): AJ Lee
  • Method of Victory (Pin, Submission, Count Out, DQ) (2 pts): Submission

United States Champion Dean Ambrose vs Kane - Singles Match for the United States Championship

  • Winner (2 pts): Dean Ambrose
  • Method of Victory (2 pts): Pinfall

Intercontinental Champion Wade Barrett vs Curtis Axel vs The Miz - Triple Threat Match for the Intercontinental Championship:

  • Winner (2 pts): Curtis Axel
  • Method of Victory (Pin or Submission) (2 pts): Perfectplex Pinfall
  • Person Pinned (2 pts): Wade Barrett

WWE Tag Team Champions The Shield (Rollins and Reigns) vs Randy Orton and Daniel Bryan - Tag Team Match for the WWE Tag Team Championship:

  • Winners (2 pts): The Shield
  • Method of Victory (2 pts): Pinfall
  • Person Who Won (1 pt): Seth Rollins
  • Person Who Lost (1 pt): Daniel Bryan

CM Punk vs Chris Jericho - Singles Match:

  • Winner (2 pts): Chris Jericho
  • Method of Victory (2 pts): Forefit
  • Does Heyman turn on Punk? (2 pts): No

World Heavyweight Champion Dolph Ziggler vs Alberto Del Rio - Singles Match for the World Heavyweight Championship:

  • Winner (2 pts): Ziggler
  • Method of Victory (2 pts): Pinfall

WWE Champion John Cena vs Ryback - Three Stages of Hell Match for the WWE Championship:

  • Winner of Stage 1 (1 pt): Ryback
  • Method of Victory for Stage 1(2 pts): Pinfall
  • Winner of Stage 2 (1 pt): Cena
  • Winner of Stage 3 (1 pt): Cena
  • Overall Winner (1 pt): Cena
#12513 Edited by DoesitOffendYou_Yeah (137 posts) -

Sheamus vs Damien Sandow

Winner (2 pts): Sheamus, sadly.

Method of Victory (Pin, Submission, Count Out, DQ) (2 pts): PIN

Kaitlyn vs AJ Lee

Winner (2 pts): AJ

Method of Victory (Pin, Submission, Count Out, DQ) (2 pts): Submission

Dean Ambrose vs Kane

Winner (2 pts): Dean Ambrose

Method of Victory (2 pts): PIN

Wade Barrett vs Curtis Axel vs The Miz

Winner (2 pts): Curtis Axel

Method of Victory (Pin or Submission) (2 pts): Pin

Person Pinned (2 pts): Wade Barrett (because they seem intent on ruining him)

The Shield (Rollins and Reigns) vs Randy Orton and Daniel Bryan:

Winners (2 pts): Shield

Method of Victory (2 pts): PIN

Person Who Won (1 pt): Rollins

Person Who Lost (1 pt): Orton

CM Punk vs Chris Jericho

Winner (2 pts): Punk - I'm assuming here that we're making a bet providing Punk shows up and the match goes ahead. Without Punk showing up, will the points for this match be discounted?

Method of Victory (2 pts): PIN

Does Heyman turn on Punk? (2 pts): No

Dolph Ziggler vs Alberto Del Rio

Winner (2 pts): Ziggler, surely.

Method of Victory (2 pts): PIN

John Cena vs Ryback

Winner of Stage 1 (1 pt): John Cena

Method of Victory for Stage 1(2 pts): Submission

Winner of Stage 2 (1 pt): Ryback

Winner of Stage 3 (1 pt): John Cena

Overall Winner (1 pt): John Cena

#12514 Posted by Roomrunner (835 posts) -

Sheamus vs Damien Sandow - Payback Match Kickoff at 7:30 PM EDT on Youtube, Facebook, Yahoo, WWE Active and WWE.com

Winner (2 pts): Sheamus. Gotta please the kiddies who strive to bully smart people.

Method of Victory (Pin, Submission, Count Out, DQ) (2 pts): Pin

Divas Champion Kaitlyn vs AJ Lee - Singles Match for the Divas Championship:

Winner (2 pts): Kaitlyn (hoping this is more of "make Kaitlyn tougher" push, than a "give the belt to AJ" one)

Method of Victory (Pin, Submission, Count Out, DQ) (2 pts): Count Out (spear outside the ring)

United States Champion Dean Ambrose vs Kane - Singles Match for the United States Championship

Winner (2 pts): Ambrose (no point in giving Kane a title like this)

Method of Victory (2 pts): Pin

Intercontinental Champion Wade Barrett vs Curtis Axel vs The Miz - Triple Threat Match for the Intercontinental Championship:

Winner (2 pts): Axel (gotta give this guy a streak for a reason, right?

Method of Victory (Pin or Submission) (2 pts): Pin

Person Pinned (2 pts): The Miz

WWE Tag Team Champions The Shield (Rollins and Reigns) vs Randy Orton and Daniel Bryan - Tag Team Match for the WWE Tag Team Championship:

Winners (2 pts): Shield

Method of Victory (2 pts): Pin

Person Who Won (1 pt): Rollins

Person Who Lost (1 pt): Bryan

CM Punk vs Chris Jericho - Singles Match: not happening

World Heavyweight Champion Dolph Ziggler vs Alberto Del Rio - Singles Match for the World Heavyweight Championship:

Winner (2 pts): ADR

Method of Victory (2 pts): Submission

WWE Champion John Cena vs Ryback - Three Stages of Hell Match for the WWE Championship:

Winner of Stage 1 (1 pt): Cena

Method of Victory for Stage 1(2 pts): Pin

Winner of Stage 2 (1 pt): Ryback

Winner of Stage 3 (1 pt): Cena

Overall Winner (1 pt): Cena

#12515 Posted by DrX25 (1530 posts) -
#12516 Posted by Rabid619 (1101 posts) -

LAST MINUTE LOC TIME!

Sheamus vs Damien Sandow - Payback Match Kickoff at 7:30 PM EDT on Youtube, Facebook, Yahoo, WWE Active and WWE.com:

Winner (2 pts): Sheamus

Method of Victory (Pin, Submission, Count Out, DQ) (2 pts): Pin

Divas Champion Kaitlyn vs AJ Lee - Singles Match for the Divas Championship:

Winner (2 pts): AJ

Method of Victory (Pin, Submission, Count Out, DQ) (2 pts): Pin

United States Champion Dean Ambrose vs Kane - Singles Match for the United States Championship

Winner (2 pts): Dean Ambrose

Method of Victory (2 pts): Pin

Intercontinental Champion Wade Barrett vs Curtis Axel vs The Miz - Triple Threat Match for the Intercontinental Championship:

Winner (2 pts): Curtis Axel

Method of Victory (Pin or Submission) (2 pts): Pin

Person Pinned (2 pts): The Miz

WWE Tag Team Champions The Shield (Rollins and Reigns) vs Randy Orton and Daniel Bryan - Tag Team Match for the WWE Tag Team Championship:

Winners (2 pts): The Shield

Method of Victory (2 pts): Pin

Person Who Won (1 pt): Seth Rollins

Person Who Lost (1 pt): Randy Orton

CM Punk vs Chris Jericho - Singles Match:

Winner (2 pts): CM Punk

Method of Victory (2 pts): DQ

Does Heyman turn on Punk? (2 pts): Yes

World Heavyweight Champion Dolph Ziggler vs Alberto Del Rio - Singles Match for the World Heavyweight Championship:

Winner (2 pts): Dolph Ziggler

Method of Victory (2 pts): Pin

WWE Champion John Cena vs Ryback - Three Stages of Hell Match for the WWE Championship:

Winner of Stage 1 (1 pt): John Cena

Method of Victory for Stage 1(2 pts):

Winner of Stage 2 (1 pt): Ryback

Winner of Stage 3 (1 pt): John Cena

Overall Winner (1 pt): John Cena

#12517 Edited by lord_canti (1515 posts) -

Sheamus vs Damien Sandow - Payback Match Kickoff at 7:30 PM EDT on Youtube, Facebook, Yahoo, WWE Active and WWE.com:

Winner (2 pts):sheamus (because fuck wwe )

Method of Victory (Pin, Submission, Count Out, DQ) (2 pts):pin

Divas Champion Kaitlyn vs AJ Lee - Singles Match for the Divas Championship:

Winner (2 pts): aj lee

Method of Victory (Pin, Submission, Count Out, DQ) (2 pts):submission (black widow to be precise)

United States Champion Dean Ambrose vs Kane - Singles Match for the United States Championship

Winner (2 pts):kane

Method of Victory (2 pts):d'q when the shield interrupts

Intercontinental Champion Wade Barrett vs Curtis Axel vs The Miz - Triple Threat Match for the Intercontinental Championship:

Winner (2 pts):curtis axel

Method of Victory (Pin or Submission) (2 pts):pinfall

Person Pinned (2 pts): miz

WWE Tag Team Champions The Shield (Rollins and Reigns) vs Randy Orton and Daniel Bryan - Tag Team Match for the WWE Tag Team Championship:

Winners (2 pts):the shield

Method of Victory (2 pts): pinning randy orton

Person Who Won (1 pt): roman reigns

Person Who Lost (1 pt): randy orton

CM Punk vs Chris Jericho - Singles Match:

Winner (2 pts): cm punk

Method of Victory (2 pts): submission via anaconda vice

Does Heyman turn on Punk? (2 pts):yes

World Heavyweight Champion Dolph Ziggler vs Alberto Del Rio - Singles Match for the World Heavyweight Championship:

Winner (2 pts):dolph ziggler (if not fuck wwe)

Method of Victory (2 pts):pin

WWE Champion John Cena vs Ryback - Three Stages of Hell Match for the WWE Championship:

Winner of Stage 1 (1 pt):john cena

Method of Victory for Stage 1(2 pts):submission

Winner of Stage 2 (1 pt): ryback

Winner of Stage 3 (1 pt):john cena

Overall Winner (1 pt):john cena

#12518 Edited by MildMolasses (3221 posts) -

Holy shit! They had a real women's wrestling match! With psychology and everything! I guess they were paying attention to the reception that the Gail Kim/Teryn Terrell match got.

Good on them

#12519 Edited by WilliamHenry (1204 posts) -

What a boring PPV. I lost all interest after the ending of the Punk/Jericho match. That was the best they could come up with? It was just the least interesting finish possible. It doesn't advance any stories and proves that once again, Jericho can't beat anybody unless its the week before a PPV match. Nothing about the finish gives me any reason to watch Raw.

#12520 Edited by papercut (3501 posts) -
#12521 Posted by Tajasaurus (879 posts) -

There was a lot of cool stuff that happened at Payback. The opening triple threat was rad, the women's match was awesome, Ziggler/Del Rio was really well done (and Del Rio turning could be the best possible thing for him) and Punk/Jericho was great for a match I was sure wasn't even going to happen.

And Daniel Bryan continues to be the most entertaining person on television.

The only things I wasn't really into was the US title match and the main event.

Oh, and that RVD promo vid, obv.

#12522 Posted by Roomrunner (835 posts) -

Chicago tried to shame away the main event, but it had so many harious wacky wrasslin moments, I think it was kind of a success.

Aside from OMG PUNK'S REALLY HERE, his match had little excitement to it; mostly due to there being no interesting build.

ADR/Zigs and AJ/Kait told great stories, but I'm worried where they go from there. Kait came out of it looking all "lol dem women and their emotions" and I'm worried that both Ziggler's WHC contendership and relationship with AJ are in jeopardy.

But man, imagine if he won MiTB again?

Too bad Tyson Kidd is still out, because an IC feud with Axel right now would be epic!

#12523 Edited by TurboMan (7559 posts) -

Just watched the PPV and don't know what most people's opinions are, but I think Ziggler/Del Rio is one of the best examples of storytelling in a match that you're going to get. Was surprised Del Rio walked away with the belt, and now Ziggler has to start his journey over again. It'll be interesting to see what happens from here but you can tell that they actually have a plan with Team Rocket. Chicago crowd made it look like a double turn, so I hope on Raw tonight we'll see a glimpse of face Ziggler.

Daniel Bryan/Orton feud is obvious, and will spare time until Bryan gets a title shot for Summerslam I guess.

AJ/Kaitlyn was a good match that actually had some time put into it.

First match was excellent. I'm sold on Axel being IC Champ like his dad, hopefully WWE will give him stuff to do with it. Wade Barrett is such a great talent and I hope he isn't lost in the shuffle again.

Last match sucked.

Good to see Punk back, even though he has no direction has of now.

#12524 Edited by Milkman (16842 posts) -

Just caught up on what I missed last night.

  • The Miz is so stupid. I'm just glad the title is off Barrett now so maybe he can stop being the worst wrestler in the world.
  • Nice to see WWE keeping the tradition of Curtis Axel winning matches by his opponents forgetting his existence. I look forward to him one day winning the WWE Championship by pinning John Cena while he's taking a nap.
  • Nice to also see Triple H keeping the tradition of not allowing Curtis Axel to do ANYTHING without him being there to remind everyone that he's better.
  • AJ/Kaitlyn was, unsurprisingly, a very good match, even if I'm not into the whole crying crap at the end.
  • The finish to Ambrose-Kane was remarkably dumb. What exactly is there to be gained by protecting Kane from being pinned?
  • While seeing Ziggler lose the title this quickly annoys me, Del Rio vs. Ziggler was fantastic. Amazing storytelling by both guys.
  • No, Bob Van Dam. No. Go away. No one wants you here.
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#12525 Edited by DrX25 (1530 posts) -
@milkman said:
  • The finish to Ambrose-Kane was remarkably dumb. What exactly is there to be gained by protecting Kane from being pinned?

WWE.com is teasing a rematch/continuation of the Kane/Ambrose feud. Yeah, I don't know why either.

As for the PPV, I was legitimately surprised by how great the show was. From the better-than-it-had-any-right-to-be Triple Threat, the long-but-great Kaitlyn/AJ segment (20 minutes of the PPV folks), the fantastic World Title match (one of the best story matches in a long time), the return of Wolverine CM Punk and his great, but standard match with Jericho, seeing Bryan in god mode for the first time was a treat and, while just alright, the Ambulance part of the Three Stages of Hell match had me in stitches. The only real low point was the boring US title match and the stupid finish to the match (Sandow/Sheamus was better than that). I picked a good moment to start watching again.

#12526 Edited by DrX25 (1530 posts) -

WWE trademarked 1-800-FELLA a couple of months ago, this is the end product:

#12527 Edited by GorillaMoPena (2169 posts) -

@milkman said:

  • Nice to see WWE keeping the tradition of Curtis Axel winning matches by his opponents forgetting his existence. I look forward to him one day winning the WWE Championship by pinning John Cena while he's taking a nap.

#12528 Edited by TurboMan (7559 posts) -

@drx25: That commercial was paid with ACTUAL money!

#12529 Posted by MjHealy (1854 posts) -

Guys, Mark Henry is retiring tonight. This fills me with sadness.

#12530 Posted by joshthebear (2700 posts) -

Goodbye Hall of Pain, it was incredible while it lasted. :(

#12531 Edited by Milkman (16842 posts) -

MONDAY NIGHT CHAT

Here's a leaked script for tonight's episode of Raw:

Vince McMahon: Alright, Hunter, tonight, you'll finally get your rematch against Curtis Axel.

Triple H: Who?

Vince: Uhh...you know, Curtis Axel, the guy who beat you into a concussion coma a couple weeks ago. He just won the Intercontinental title...?

HHH: I don't think I've met Mr. Axel.

Vince: ...He's standing right there. You talked to him last night.

*cut to Curtis Axel eating a hardboiled egg*

*Triple H stares at Curtis for a while then back at Vince*

HHH: Him?

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#12532 Edited by joshthebear (2700 posts) -

ALEX IS TALKING ABOUT DOING A WRESTLING PODCAST AND SOUNDS SUPER SERIOUS ABOUT IT.

#12533 Posted by Demoskinos (14877 posts) -

GUYS IM BACK ON BOARD WITH WRESTLING.

  • AJ vs Kaitlyn is great (also hey-yo at Kaitlyin popping out of her top tonight)
  • Dolph vs Del Rio = Amazing
  • Cesaro is now a Colter guy?
  • Punk vs Lesnar like really what could be better?
  • Alex was seriously on twitter asking about a wrestling podcast.
  • Oh, and lets not forget fucking Mark Henry making me nearly cry and then beating the shit out of Cena and making me cry at how beautiful that was.
#12534 Edited by TurboMan (7559 posts) -
  • Mark Henry's segment might be one of the best Raw segments all year. I was along for the ride the entire time right up until the end.
  • Heyman's back stab was super obvious, but we all knew that one day we would get to CM Punk vs. Brock Lesnar at some point. I'm super excited about this feud and to see where it goes.
  • The double turn is in full effect and we will get more Ziggler vs. Alberto Del Rio. I'm interested in where AJ Lee and Big E falls into all of this, but Ziggler and Del Rio can work great matches together.
  • Summer of YES will continue, probably now we are going to have Daniel Bryan winning the WWE MITB match and cashing it in on Cena in a match at a PPV.
  • Captain Charisma is back
  • Bray Wyatt will soon debut
  • Antonio Cesaro is getting another push

WWE is doing a lot of right things now.

#12535 Posted by GorillaMoPena (2169 posts) -

If you just put your hand over and cover anything with a McMahon, Raw is basically perfect.

#12536 Posted by Milkman (16842 posts) -

Guys, that Mark Henry segment. I can not stress enough how unbelievably perfect that entire thing was. Mark deserves a WWE title run for that alone. Not that he didn't already deserve one, anyway.

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#12537 Posted by Demoskinos (14877 posts) -

I gotta say as much as I did enjoy the Mark Henry segment the whole thing just seemed way to telegraphed with WWE.com and stuff announcing it and what not. Usually they don't straight up bill actual retirement announcements as such. Again, awesome spot but I kind of expected a swerve the entire time.

#12538 Posted by TurboMan (7559 posts) -

@demoskinos: I think what makes it work was Henry pulling out the curtain a little bit and talking about his entire career here, giving respect to Cena and everybody in the locker room, and talking about his family. Once the curtain was pulled back, Henry slammed the door and did what he does.

It was something in the back of my head that could happen, but I was totally along for the ride by the end of the retirement speech.

#12539 Posted by joshthebear (2700 posts) -

Just give Mark Henry the Oscar for best actor right now.

#12540 Edited by DrX25 (1530 posts) -

@turboman: It was the (seemingly) legit emotions and tears from Henry are what made me buy into it. He deserves all the credit it the world for making that segment incredible.

As for Raw, I think the positives are pretty obvious and I'd take too much time to list it all, so I'll just write the bad:

  • THE MCMAHONS, ALL OF IT: From the tug of war between Vince and Trips with Vickie to Steph just being a bitch to everyone with a pulse, this angle is terrible and is holding back the shows from being compelling from start to finish. Although, if the payoff for the angle is them having to eat crow and never get their heat back then great, but that'll never happen so go away.
#12541 Posted by Wikitoups (834 posts) -

I was out working so I missed the show... so here's a pic of smart mark and PTP!

#12542 Edited by Hockeymask27 (3683 posts) -

Man two nights in a row I'm pleased with the wwe. I might even give smackdown a shot.

#12543 Edited by Demoskinos (14877 posts) -

@turboman said:

@demoskinos: I think what makes it work was Henry pulling out the curtain a little bit and talking about his entire career here, giving respect to Cena and everybody in the locker room, and talking about his family. Once the curtain was pulled back, Henry slammed the door and did what he does.

It was something in the back of my head that could happen, but I was totally along for the ride by the end of the retirement speech.

Yeah, I was starting to doubt it myself by the end. I figured when he went to hand cena the belt he was gonna deck him or something. That and like DrX25 stated he did straight up act and throw some crocodile tears at you.

#12544 Posted by theveej (832 posts) -

Mark Fucking Henry, I love that man.

#12545 Edited by Rick_Fingers (524 posts) -

As a massive Curt Hennig fan, seeing the reaction to Joe winning the IC strap at Payback was fucking phenomenal.

Also hi there, I'm Rick Fingers. I feel like I know ya'll, massive fan of the thread.

#12546 Edited by DoesitOffendYou_Yeah (137 posts) -

So what was the deal with Daniel Bryan? Obviously it all looked legit, especially when Orton and Bryan spent ages selling on the mat and Orton is heard swearing to the ref. But, I haven't seen much since last night and he's apparently in the main event on Smackdown so I guess he's fine?

#12547 Posted by cmblasko (1253 posts) -

I gotta say as much as I did enjoy the Mark Henry segment the whole thing just seemed way to telegraphed with WWE.com and stuff announcing it and what not. Usually they don't straight up bill actual retirement announcements as such. Again, awesome spot but I kind of expected a swerve the entire time.

The main reason I bought into the retirement was because they treated it exactly the same way as when Edge retired. Henry's excellent delivery kept me on the hook for the entire segment.

#12548 Edited by Tajasaurus (879 posts) -

@demoskinos: At first I thought the same thing, but they did the night Edge retired, so there was precedent for it.

I like Curtis Axel, but I had to watch his match on mute. Miz is gaaaaaaaaaaaarbage. Fun Raw, tho.

#12549 Posted by Rick_Fingers (524 posts) -

Del Rio versus Ziggler was a phenomenal example of a double turn.

Full credit to the commentators here, they did a good job of not just turning on Del Rio and talking up what a hero Dolph was, but instead kept it somewhat balanced while still obviously uncomfortable with Del Rio's methods.

Rare that I compliment them, but they added to the match.

#12550 Posted by MildMolasses (3221 posts) -

So what was the deal with Daniel Bryan? Obviously it all looked legit, especially when Orton and Bryan spent ages selling on the mat and Orton is heard swearing to the ref. But, I haven't seen much since last night and he's apparently in the main event on Smackdown so I guess he's fine?

Just good storytelling. Although I thought they were going to take it further with Orton trying to kill him, but that would have been a bit of a retread from Del Rio/Ziggler the night before.

I'm in agreement with most of the opinion's on the McMahon stuff with the exception for the Stephanie bit. I felt it was nice that the women were actually being treated as a legitimate part of the product as opposed to a T&A sideshow. I especially liked the way that they faked the sidebar conversations by having her cover the other mic as she leaned in to talk. I know this can easily be ruined if she keeps interfering, but at least for last night I enjoyed it.

I was expecting Lesnar to come out at the end of the Punk match, but I thought he was just going to destroy him and put him on the shelf until Summer Slam. With the weird way they brought Punk back, I thought it would just be a short term bit because they were running Chicago, and then he would go back to his break, but I guess not