Libyan's Declare Jihad Against Switzerland

Europe is doing all sorts of crazy stripping of religious expression lately, justifying it as secularism.  If you want to be a secular government you're supposed to protect the rights of religions but not get involved, not water down and strip away traditions.  It's almost funny the people replying that it's just minarets, yet they support banning them, but it ends up just being sad.  Why ban them if it isn't religious?  The irrational fear of Islam by the West is annoying.  Take the time to talk to Muslim people.  Please?  Turns out they're just people too.  And like all groups, there are a few extremists among them.  There's been a lot of shootings  here in America of police offers (now teachers too!).  I'd call those terrorist attacks as well. 

" @Myrmidon said:

" Fuck Muslims. If the Swiss don't want them there, then they don't need to have them. It was a vote. They are like the fags on CSS who shout 'RTV PL0X' right after a voted map change because they don't like not getting their way. "

 
 I don't agree with organized religion, but shouldn't people be allowed to practice whatever religion they want, wherever they want?  In the end is ridiculous on  both sides though.

It's this kind of response that makes me completely back the Swiss in this matter. Taking the soft approach on Islam is really not working.

 The irrational fear of Islam by the West is annoying.  Take the time to talk to Muslim people.  Please?  Turns out they're just people too.  And like all groups, there are a few extremists among them.  There's been a lot of shootings  here in America of police offers (now teachers too!).  I'd call those terrorist attacks as well.  "

No one should take what Gaddafi says seriously, not even on this level.

Giving a bad name to honest muslims.

" @masternater27 said:

 The irrational fear of Islam by the West is annoying.  Take the time to talk to Muslim people.  Please?  Turns out they're just people too.  And like all groups, there are a few extremists among them.  There's been a lot of shootings  here in America of police offers (now teachers too!).  I'd call those terrorist attacks as well.  "

You think it's irrational fear when some important Muslim figure calls Jihad on a nation that made an action that didn't hurt anyone? "

" @The_Ish said:

" @masternater27 said:

 The irrational fear of Islam by the West is annoying.  Take the time to talk to Muslim people.  Please?  Turns out they're just people too.  And like all groups, there are a few extremists among them.  There's been a lot of shootings  here in America of police offers (now teachers too!).  I'd call those terrorist attacks as well.  "

You think it's irrational fear when some important Muslim figure calls Jihad on a nation that made an action that didn't hurt anyone? "

Calling Jihad isn't what the media likes to portray it as.  He's asking that Muslims not travel to Switzerland, no importing/exporting of goods from/to Switzerland, withdrawing money from Swiss bank accounts and investments, etc.  We'd call those economic sanctions.   

Listen, I don't give a shit, but...
 
Why can't these people respect the policies of other countries with opposing ideologies?
 
Seriously, go build a church in Saudi Arabia. Good fucking luck.
 
Nations like Denmark, Switzerland, and Norway (many others too) deserve the right to preserve their culture. I wish my country would.

There is nothing religious about war

" @Myrmidon said:

" Fuck Muslims. If the Swiss don't want them there, then they don't need to have them. It was a vote. They are like the fags on CSS who shout 'RTV PL0X' right after a voted map change because they don't like not getting their way. "

 
 I don't agree with organized religion, but shouldn't people be allowed to practice whatever religion they want, wherever they want?  In the end is ridiculous on  both sides though. 
 
 

just in case anyone didn't know this feud b/w Switzerland and Gaddafi started before the whole   minarets thing. Gaddafi's son was arrested in Switzerland for alleged abuse of his maids or w/e and that pissed Gaddafi off so he kicked out all swiss ambassadors, and detaining two bussinsess men for about 18 months now, think one is free now, for "spying". 
 
basically Gaddafi has a hardon for switzerland and will use any excuse to "attack" it, plus hes mildly loco  
  
read this for laughs
http://www.examiner.com/x-21977-Portland-Muslim-Examiner~y2010m2d27-Gadhafi-declares-Jihad-on-Switzerland

Don't the Swiss protect the Pope (Swiss Guard) RELIGIOUS WAR!!!!

I'm sure Switzerland won't lose any sleep over it.  With this and the UK government shutting down Islam4UK, maybe Europe is finally growing a pair.

This is wonderful, genuinely. Hilarious. I hate religion.

" Europe is doing all sorts of crazy stripping of religious expression lately, justifying it as secularism.  If you want to be a secular government you're supposed to protect the rights of religions but not get involved, not water down and strip away traditions.  It's almost funny the people replying that it's just minarets, yet they support banning them, but it ends up just being sad.  Why ban them if it isn't religious?  The irrational fear of Islam by the West is annoying.  Take the time to talk to Muslim people.  Please?  Turns out they're just people too.  And like all groups, there are a few extremists among them.  There's been a lot of shootings  here in America of police offers (now teachers too!).  I'd call those terrorist attacks as well.  "

So wait, a war about religion? Really? Really?

" @masternater27 said:

 The irrational fear of Islam by the West is annoying.  Take the time to talk to Muslim people.  Please?  Turns out they're just people too.  And like all groups, there are a few extremists among them.  There's been a lot of shootings  here in America of police offers (now teachers too!).  I'd call those terrorist attacks as well.  "

You think it's irrational fear when some important Muslim figure calls Jihad on a nation that made an action that didn't hurt anyone? "

I will see you, my brothers, and my AK in Switzerland!
 
In Allah!

" @The_Ish said:

" @masternater27 said:

 The irrational fear of Islam by the West is annoying.  Take the time to talk to Muslim people.  Please?  Turns out they're just people too.  And like all groups, there are a few extremists among them.  There's been a lot of shootings  here in America of police offers (now teachers too!).  I'd call those terrorist attacks as well.  "

You think it's irrational fear when some important Muslim figure calls Jihad on a nation that made an action that didn't hurt anyone? "

Calling Gaddafi an "important Muslim figure" is like saying that the KKK are an important Christian movement.   Also Saudi Arabia and Switzerland are completely different. Saudi Arabia was the birthplace of Islam, I'm sure you will find no mosques in the Vatican. "

But is is everywhere the religion has spread, try to find a picture of a mosque without a minaret, its about as hard to find as a cathedral without stained glass.  "

" @Osaladin said:

" @The_Ish said:

" @masternater27 said:

 The irrational fear of Islam by the West is annoying.  Take the time to talk to Muslim people.  Please?  Turns out they're just people too.  And like all groups, there are a few extremists among them.  There's been a lot of shootings  here in America of police offers (now teachers too!).  I'd call those terrorist attacks as well.  "

You think it's irrational fear when some important Muslim figure calls Jihad on a nation that made an action that didn't hurt anyone? "

Calling Gaddafi an "important Muslim figure" is like saying that the KKK are an important Christian movement.   Also Saudi Arabia and Switzerland are completely different. Saudi Arabia was the birthplace of Islam, I'm sure you will find no mosques in the Vatican. "

The Vatican is a tiny city state, Saudi Arabia is the largest country in the middle east. Based on scale alone, that comparison doesn't work. "

I don't think the Vatican is an appropriate example. It's only, what, just under half a kilometer in diameter? You couldn't even build a mosque there, even if you could.

" @Phished0ne said:

But is is everywhere the religion has spread, try to find a picture of a mosque without a minaret, its about as hard to find as a cathedral without stained glass.  "

I think you might be confusing Minaret with Dome. Practically every Mosque has a dome. But I don't recall seeing any Mosques (In California) to have minarets. There's only four minarets in Switzerland, that would mean there's only four mosques. 
 

" @The_Ish said:

" @masternater27 said:

 The irrational fear of Islam by the West is annoying.  Take the time to talk to Muslim people.  Please?  Turns out they're just people too.  And like all groups, there are a few extremists among them.  There's been a lot of shootings  here in America of police offers (now teachers too!).  I'd call those terrorist attacks as well.  "

You think it's irrational fear when some important Muslim figure calls Jihad on a nation that made an action that didn't hurt anyone? "

Calling Gaddafi an "important Muslim figure" is like saying that the KKK are an important Christian movement.   Also Saudi Arabia and Switzerland are completely different. Saudi Arabia was the birthplace of Islam, I'm sure you will find no mosques in the Vatican. "

Just because he "leads" a nation with muslims in it, doesn't make him a spokesperson for Islam. Most muslims in the world actually hate their respective sovereigns, presidents, rulers, dictators, whatever you wish to call them.

Both parties on this issue need to get laid.

" Wow, I had no idea the Swiss were such idiots... why would the government let this happen? "

people who ignore Gaddfis crazy and try to say the swiss law is dumb are missing the point...

The swiss banned it cause they said they are afraid of Islam taking over. However, they failed to mention that there were only FOUR MINARETS in all of Switzerland. 
 
Anyways, Jihad is holy war, but its more of a conversation with God, like immortal technique put it. Basically its an inner struggle to serve God's will. Basically in Islam, alcohol is forbidden, but teenagers tend to want to drink alcohol. So fighting that desire, is called jihad. because its an inner struggle to stay on the 'right' path.  
 
Either way, political leaders in all countries, are corrupt. Islamic or not. The guy is just crazy and is ruining the view of the religion in everyones eyes. 

" people who ignore Gaddfis crazy and try to say the swiss law is dumb are missing the point... "

Banning of these... Why? At least now

" @Aeterna said:

" @Phished0ne said:

" @Aeterna said:

" @Al3xand3r said:

" Jihad doesn't necessarily mean war/suicide bombers/whatever other violence, you ( now) know. So, unless it's specified what kind of jihad is urged, and it is indeed Jihad of the Sword, it's a little hasty to claim they're doing something wrong by declaring such when their religious or other freedoms are affected. "

The thing is, a minaret has no religious value, it's just architecture. They're fooling themselves into thinking they've been affected. "

OH C'mon!  how much do you know about Islam?  how do you know a minaret has no religious value to them?  So i assume you think the crosses on spires of churches have no religious value, after all, its just architecture..what about stained glass?  also "just architecture". "

 I, myself don't know the details about it as I'm an atheist. But I have several colleagues who's entire families are muslims. We discussed about the subject for probably 2 to 3 hours when the topic was in the media over here right after the ban. None of them could find any reason at all as to how a minaret'd be a religious building. None of them could care for it at all, besides from finding it rather strange.  So... what was your point? "

 
They are either ignorant on the matter, or they're lying, or they are being very roundabout about it A minaret is a distinctively Islamic architectural feature of a mosque. "

Both sides come off as retarded.