"joey said:In case anyone is curious:"Stevie Wonder used autotune while performing with the Jonas Brothers at the Grammy Awards."I tuned in to see the grammys and this was the first thing i saw. I almost vomited."
Music Died.
"That was pretty bad. Stevie is one of my favorite musicians ever, and I hate to see him succomb to these trends and acts. I thought he was above that. Well, he is still immortal in my eyes anyway."I'm guessing he doesn't really care anymore. "Some young kids want to perform with me? OK." Honestly these old guys don't give a damn about street cred once they've achieved everything they wanted.
It's dead to them. Not to me and many others. It's like trying to get your dad to listen to something from the last 5 years. He's not going to like it. He'd much rather just pop in Supertramp and leave it at that. That's fine with me. Music for him just isn't what he wants.
"HandsomeDead said:But in that case, how do you define good taste?"I really wish people who claim music is dead would just get over themselves."Fine, what if we change it up a little to "Good Musical Taste is dying, currently on life support"."
"Snipzor said:Personnal and not forced. For example, if a person "enjoys" (Don't know) Cold Play because of its popularity rather that quality. Or if a person enjoys Aesthetics over talent. You will never hear someone mention to you a band you've never heard of that are of unique aesthetics and excellent talent. 90% of the time someone will recomend a band you've heard of before. You may not have heard it before, but you've heard the same shiat a million times before."HandsomeDead said:But in that case, how do you define good taste?""I really wish people who claim music is dead would just get over themselves."Fine, what if we change it up a little to "Good Musical Taste is dying, currently on life support"."
"HandsomeDead said:You know absolutely nothing about modern music if you truly believe that. Like we said, look beyond the radio. There's so much more out there. There are plenty of bands out there with just raw talent and passion for music. Not every band is marketed and mass produced."Snipzor said:Personnal and not forced. For example, if a person "enjoys" (Don't know) Cold Play because of its popularity rather that quality. Or if a person enjoys Aesthetics over talent. You will never hear someone mention to you a band you've never heard of that are of unique aesthetics and excellent talent. 90% of the time someone will recomend a band you've heard of before. You may not have heard it before, but you've heard the same shiat a million times before."HandsomeDead said:But in that case, how do you define good taste?""I really wish people who claim music is dead would just get over themselves."Fine, what if we change it up a little to "Good Musical Taste is dying, currently on life support"."Everything is mass produced and nicely fit inside of predesigned compartments of genre. Singing in music now can be easily done by anyone, it isn't a talent, whereas you'll never hear a person like Dagmar Krause again (Of Henry Cow fame) or Peter Gabriel during the 1970's era of Genesis. I won't go on about style of music in this era."
"HandsomeDead said:You may have heard the same stuff a million times, but assuming that unique and good are the same thing is taking a bit of a leap."Snipzor said:Personnal and not forced. For example, if a person "enjoys" (Don't know) Cold Play because of its popularity rather that quality. Or if a person enjoys Aesthetics over talent. You will never hear someone mention to you a band you've never heard of that are of unique aesthetics and excellent talent. 90% of the time someone will recomend a band you've heard of before. You may not have heard it before, but you've heard the same shiat a million times before."HandsomeDead said:But in that case, how do you define good taste?""I really wish people who claim music is dead would just get over themselves."Fine, what if we change it up a little to "Good Musical Taste is dying, currently on life support"."Everything is mass produced and nicely fit inside of predesigned compartments of genre. Singing in music now can be easily done by anyone, it isn't a talent, whereas you'll never hear a person like Dagmar Krause again (Of Henry Cow fame) or Peter Gabriel during the 1970's era of Genesis. I won't go on about style of music in this era."
"DOUBLESHOCK said:True dat."maybe just his talent died, because music already died a long time ago."If you believe that music has died, then you're either not looking hard enough or you're ignorant."
-- God Bless.
It depends on what you call "music". Most rap, hiphop, and the like are really just earcandy. Not music. They will NOT withstand the test of time. In 100 years, everyone will forget about this "music".
It blows my mind when people throw the "music today sucks" card. Ringo Starr actually summed up the state of music very well. This is not verbatim but he said something along the lines of "as The Beatles we were really going against the type of music our parents listened to and that's what is going on today." How boring would it be if all music for the past 50-60 was all in the style of classic blue based rock? Don't get me wrong, I love Led Zeppelin, they are one of the all time greats and bands like the White Stripes and Black Keys are continuing that style of music.
However, some people think that's all that should be played and it should be the most popular form of music and it's elitist bullshit. Bands and artists like Beck, TV on the Radio, Radiohead, The Mars Volta and Gnarls Barkly are all blending genres in crazy and creative ways. I agree a lot of mainstream stuff that's played on the radio is terrible. However there are good bands out there and suggesting otherwise is incredibly ignorant.
And Katy Perry with Paul McCartney"Hell no.
Best Grammy moment- Paul McCartney with Dave Grohl on drums. Great to see them rocking out!
Compared to past generations the modern era will never compare. Music is so ubiquitous that it has turned into a throw away medium. There is some good music out there but in the popular conscience music today does not have the power to last generations and that is the mark of true music.
"Personnal and not forced. For example, if a person "enjoys" (Don't know) Cold Play because of its popularity rather that quality. Or if a person enjoys Aesthetics over talent. You will never hear someone mention to you a band you've never heard of that are of unique aesthetics and excellent talent. 90% of the time someone will recomend a band you've heard of before. You may not have heard it before, but you've heard the same shiat a million times before.People who think Genesis has exemplary vocals while making fun of other lead singers are ridiculous.Everything is mass produced and nicely fit inside of predesigned compartments of genre. Singing in music now can be easily done by anyone, it isn't a talent, whereas you'll never hear a person like Dagmar Krause again (Of Henry Cow fame) or Peter Gabriel during the 1970's era of Genesis. I won't go on about style of music in this era."
I like this rap song.
"He did not use autotune, he used a voice box (like the ones used on the Giant bomb podcasts). And this isn't a new trend. Look at him use it in the 70's -80'sAnd even if it did, why would it make a difference? He's not suddenly going to be come untalented for using it.Voice Box DOES NOT equal Autotune"
"Snipzor said:Actually I was talking of Aesthetics, not quality. If I wanted to talk about quality, I would point to all the singing in the Roxy tapes. Which contain unique style and skill. Don't deny it, Village of the Sun is amazing."Personnal and not forced. For example, if a person "enjoys" (Don't know) Cold Play because of its popularity rather that quality. Or if a person enjoys Aesthetics over talent. You will never hear someone mention to you a band you've never heard of that are of unique aesthetics and excellent talent. 90% of the time someone will recomend a band you've heard of before. You may not have heard it before, but you've heard the same shiat a million times before.People who think Genesis has exemplary vocals while making fun of other lead singers are ridiculous.Everything is mass produced and nicely fit inside of predesigned compartments of genre. Singing in music now can be easily done by anyone, it isn't a talent, whereas you'll never hear a person like Dagmar Krause again (Of Henry Cow fame) or Peter Gabriel during the 1970's era of Genesis. I won't go on about style of music in this era."
I like this rap song."
"Actually I was talking of Aesthetics, not quality. If I wanted to talk about quality, I would point to all the singing in the Roxy tapes. Which contain unique style and skill. Don't deny it, Village of the Sun is amazing."Then I agree with that. Genesis had quite the presence.
"Music didn't die but it is being buried alive by lyrics like "when I grow up, I wanna have boobies."."Did every song from way back when have deep, interesting, clever lyrics or did cheap, throwaway fun music only appear in the 21st century?
HandsomeDead said:
"Shazam said:"Music didn't die but it is being buried alive by lyrics like "when I grow up, I wanna have boobies."."Did every song from way back when have deep, interesting, clever lyrics or did cheap, throwaway fun music only appear in the 21st century?"
Maybe not but it wasn't sung by cheap skanks who are closer to whores than they are role models. (Don't care what you say about The Supremes.)
"Not every musician or success story has to a role model and people will grow up to be whores and skanks regardless of the Pussycat Dolls.
HandsomeDead said:"Shazam said:"Music didn't die but it is being buried alive by lyrics like "when I grow up, I wanna have boobies."."Did every song from way back when have deep, interesting, clever lyrics or did cheap, throwaway fun music only appear in the 21st century?"
Maybe not but it wasn't sung by cheap skanks who are closer to whores than they are role models. (Don't care what you say about The Supremes.)
"
"Shazam said:True but the Pussycat Dolls openly claim to be role models. I'm up for a catchy beat but when their message of "Doll Domination" is aimed in my face, I get a little annoyed. Aspire for better implants kid! Great message,great message."Not every musician or success story has to a role model and people will grow up to be whores and skanks regardless of the Pussycat Dolls."
HandsomeDead said:"Shazam said:"Music didn't die but it is being buried alive by lyrics like "when I grow up, I wanna have boobies."."Did every song from way back when have deep, interesting, clever lyrics or did cheap, throwaway fun music only appear in the 21st century?"
Maybe not but it wasn't sung by cheap skanks who are closer to whores than they are role models. (Don't care what you say about The Supremes.)
"
"True but the Pussycat Dolls openly claim to be role models. I'm up for a catchy beat but when their message of "Doll Domination" is aimed in my face, I get a little annoyed. Aspire for better implants kid! Great message,great message."That's a problem with modern feminist attitudes moreso than music.
HandsomeDead said:
"Shazam said:"True but the Pussycat Dolls openly claim to be role models. I'm up for a catchy beat but when their message of "Doll Domination" is aimed in my face, I get a little annoyed. Aspire for better implants kid! Great message,great message."That's a problem with modern feminist attitudes moreso than music."
It so happens that this is a feminist issue but I'm trying to make it broader. All I'm saying is if you wanted to be taken seriously, write your own music. I'm fine with a bit of pop, once it doesn't try to stick a message onto itself. Or rather, once a studio head doesn't stick a funky cool new message onto an airhead band.
most kids don't know this but there was a song withthe same tune called Pastime Paradise before Gangster's Paradise
PASTIME PARADISE>>>> Amish Pardise>>>>>Gangster's Paradise, but it's all good
"But it's the Pussycat Dolls. Not even their biggest fans care about if their music is written by them. They probably don't even care if the songs are sung by them. And before anyone says anything, that's not what's killing music.
HandsomeDead said:"Shazam said:"True but the Pussycat Dolls openly claim to be role models. I'm up for a catchy beat but when their message of "Doll Domination" is aimed in my face, I get a little annoyed. Aspire for better implants kid! Great message,great message."That's a problem with modern feminist attitudes moreso than music."
It so happens that this is a feminist issue but I'm trying to make it broader. All I'm saying is if you wanted to be taken seriously, write your own music. I'm fine with a bit of pop, once it doesn't try to stick a message onto itself. Or rather, once a studio head doesn't stick a funky cool new message onto an airhead band."
"Its not Stevie's fault, He probably heard them, and was like "okay, if you guys want to actually get laid...your going to need my help""Ha ha, this made me lol. This thread has been entertaining to observe. But just to throw in my 2 cents on the subject at hand: I wouldnt say that modern music is dead just because so many people like it. Its obviously appeals to todays audience, it just so happens that personally I dont like much of it so I turn back to the older stuff. And occasionly something new comes out that I even like myself.
"Snipzor said:I haven't found a single rock band that I like in the last 10 years....and I've looked a lot."HandsomeDead said:You know absolutely nothing about modern music if you truly believe that. Like we said, look beyond the radio. There's so much more out there. There are plenty of bands out there with just raw talent and passion for music. Not every band is marketed and mass produced.""Snipzor said:Personnal and not forced. For example, if a person "enjoys" (Don't know) Cold Play because of its popularity rather that quality. Or if a person enjoys Aesthetics over talent. You will never hear someone mention to you a band you've never heard of that are of unique aesthetics and excellent talent. 90% of the time someone will recomend a band you've heard of before. You may not have heard it before, but you've heard the same shiat a million times before."HandsomeDead said:But in that case, how do you define good taste?""I really wish people who claim music is dead would just get over themselves."Fine, what if we change it up a little to "Good Musical Taste is dying, currently on life support"."Everything is mass produced and nicely fit inside of predesigned compartments of genre. Singing in music now can be easily done by anyone, it isn't a talent, whereas you'll never hear a person like Dagmar Krause again (Of Henry Cow fame) or Peter Gabriel during the 1970's era of Genesis. I won't go on about style of music in this era."
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