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#1 Posted by Mageman (351 posts) -

Remember the hate Bush got from pretty much every person from the western world ? It was kinda hip to hate on Bush, to call him ''stupid'' and ''dumb'', and honestly a lot of people probably believed that he really was dumb, taking presidentship of what is arguably the most powerful nation on earth, and a masters degree from Harvard for granted. I really hate when people simplify things....even though I, as every other human being, also do it at certain times. But enough of my rambling, to get back to my question, do you believe Obama is a better president than Bush was and if so why ?

What motivated me to make this thread is just a short clip I saw of the current US president indulging in silly populist behaviour to appease the masses, not saying it is wrong to do so as everyone does it but I really wonder when we will start to ignore things like that or rather not get affected by it.

#2 Posted by mikeeegeee (1549 posts) -

Too soon to tell. The ramifications of any presidency take a while to manifest themselves.

#3 Posted by Christoffer (1742 posts) -

I'm not American so I'll stay out of this. But haven't Obama mostly been struggling with the aftermath of the Bush administration? Cooling of wars he never wanted to be in, repairing the recesion wich he wasn't the cause of.

Just saying that Obama maybe would have done better on other terms. But as I said, I'll stay out of this.

#4 Posted by RsistncE (4496 posts) -

Holy fuck, is this a serious question?

#5 Posted by wefwefasdf (6729 posts) -

Obama may be a pretty weak president but he is no George W. Bush.

#6 Posted by Rolyatkcinmai (2682 posts) -

You're fucking with us, right?

#7 Posted by Inkerman (1448 posts) -

@Christoffer said:

I'm not American so I'll stay out of this. But haven't Obama mostly been struggling with the aftermath of the Bush administration? Cooling of wars he never wanted to be in, repairing the recesion wich he wasn't the cause of.

Just saying that Obama maybe would have done better on other terms. But as I said, I'll stay out of this.

Arguably only Iraq was Bush's fault, both the Recession and the Afghan war would have happened anyway.

#8 Posted by mano521 (1213 posts) -

Obama has had to deal with the fallout the Bush administration caused. I admit he did not deliver the amount of "change" he advertised, but its hard to get new things done when you have to clean up after the last guy

#9 Posted by RsistncE (4496 posts) -

@SpikeSpiegel said:

Obama may be a pretty weak president but he is no George W. Bush.

@Rolyatkcinmai said:

You're fucking with us, right?

I'm just as shocked as you guys. It all makes sense though why morons like Bush get voted in now. People like the OP think like this:

During Bush after 100,000 Iraqis have been killed: "Hmmm, maybe this guy wasn't the best man to do the job."

After Obama is elected: "BUSH WASN'T THAT BAD, THIS GUY IS A SOCIALIST." ---> votes for another Bush style president

Repeat cycle.

This is why I think democracy is bad: most of America, and the world for that matter, hasn't put on it's big boy pants yet. Too many idiots voting make democracy an incredibly dangerous thing.

#10 Posted by BeachThunder (11642 posts) -

Jeff or Mageman, who is the better Giant Bomb user ?

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#11 Posted by N7 (3572 posts) -

Ronald Raygun.

#12 Posted by Animasta (14633 posts) -

obama is merely mediocre, bush was actively terrible

also jimmy carter gets a lot of shit, but he's the coolest ex-president

#13 Posted by aceofspudz (915 posts) -

Bush, of course.

#14 Posted by matthias2437 (985 posts) -

Both of them were not great but if you look at it from a financial perspective bush was infinitely better. Obama has fucked Americas economy into the ground.

#15 Posted by CaptainCody (1505 posts) -

@RsistncE said:

@SpikeSpiegel said:

Obama may be a pretty weak president but he is no George W. Bush.

@Rolyatkcinmai said:

You're fucking with us, right?

I'm just as shocked as you guys. It all makes sense though why morons like Bush get voted in now. People like the OP think like this:

During Bush after 100,000 Iraqis have been killed: "Hmmm, maybe this guy wasn't the best man to do the job."

After Obama is elected: "BUSH WASN'T THAT BAD, THIS GUY IS A SOCIALIST." ---> votes for another Bush style president

Repeat cycle.

This is why I think democracy is bad: most of America, and the world for that matter, hasn't put on it's big boy pants yet. Too many idiots voting make democracy an incredibly dangerous thing.

Democracy is bad, their is no doubt, but, following the aftermath of 9/11 Bush had an approval rating of 90%. So, if you want to become president, become a terrorist first!

#16 Posted by Raven10 (1703 posts) -

Obama is hands down the better president. He isn't great, but then again, he got saddled with a huge number of problems that few presidents would be able to fix. I think his focus on the health care reform in his first year lost him the majority in the house and since then he hasn't been able to get anything done because Congress is now split. If you look at the polls you'll find that it's congress that has the abysmal approval rating. Obama doesn't have a great one, but neither have an approval rating as low as Bush (16% when he left I believe). Bush took a country with a budget surplus and a record period of economic expansion and put us trillions of dollars in debt fighting a war we had no right fighting and watched as the economy collapsed due to a lack of regulation on our financial systems.

Since Obama took the presidency the economy has grown on a yearly basis, one of our wars has ended, and overall nothing has gotten any worse than when Bush left. That said, Obama didn't make anything that much better. But minor improvements are better than Bush. I seriously hope Obama gets reelected. Not because I think he's great. But because he is a much better alternative than the clowns running for the GOP Nomination.

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#17 Posted by PulledaBrad (612 posts) -
@Animasta I hope you never ever vote.
#18 Posted by gamefreak9 (2336 posts) -

@Christoffer said:

I'm not American so I'll stay out of this. But haven't Obama mostly been struggling with the aftermath of the Bush administration? Cooling of wars he never wanted to be in, repairing the recesion wich he wasn't the cause of.

Just saying that Obama maybe would have done better on other terms. But as I said, I'll stay out of this.

yes because the bush administration caused the recession... you should just stay out of the your right...

#19 Posted by PulledaBrad (612 posts) -

Oh and its been 3 plus years now. The "cleaning up after Bush" excuse dosent hold water anymore. Especially when Ozombo the Clown hasnt done anything to rectify these situations, only dug them deeper.

#20 Posted by HelpImUpsideDown (36 posts) -

Who was? Isn't Obama still president? Did he leave?

#21 Posted by TepidShark (1058 posts) -

"George W. Bush. Great president or Greatest President?" -Stephen Colbert

#22 Posted by thevigilanteoflove (503 posts) -

Presidents are given too much credit when things go well or flack when things go bad. So much of it has to do with things out of their immediate control, such as terrorist attacks and the ebb and flow of the market.

#23 Posted by RsistncE (4496 posts) -

@gamefreak9 said:

@Christoffer said:

I'm not American so I'll stay out of this. But haven't Obama mostly been struggling with the aftermath of the Bush administration? Cooling of wars he never wanted to be in, repairing the recesion wich he wasn't the cause of.

Just saying that Obama maybe would have done better on other terms. But as I said, I'll stay out of this.

yes because the bush administration caused the recession... you should just stay out of the your right...

Obviously the poster wasn't trying to claim the business cycle was caused by Bush, he was more or less referring to Bush's policies regarding subprime mortgage lenders, the investment houses who were using those mortgages as investment vehicles etc. except in layman's terms. Also let's not forget that Bush can single handedly take over 50% of the blame for nearly bankrupting your entire country. Oh and Iraq. Yeah, great president.

#24 Posted by Vegetable_Side_Dish (1723 posts) -
@RsistncE said:

@SpikeSpiegel said:

Obama may be a pretty weak president but he is no George W. Bush.

@Rolyatkcinmai said:

You're fucking with us, right?

I'm just as shocked as you guys. It all makes sense though why morons like Bush get voted in now. People like the OP think like this:

During Bush after 100,000 Iraqis have been killed: "Hmmm, maybe this guy wasn't the best man to do the job."

After Obama is elected: "BUSH WASN'T THAT BAD, THIS GUY IS A SOCIALIST." ---> votes for another Bush style president

Repeat cycle.

This is why I think democracy is bad: most of America, and the world for that matter, hasn't put on it's big boy pants yet. Too many idiots voting make democracy an incredibly dangerous thing.

Yes. God damn it. 
#25 Posted by Wolverine (4276 posts) -

Obama isn't a bad president, he just has trouble accomplishing things because he doesn't have congressional support. When Bush was president the Democrats in congress would work with him, the Republicans currently in congress are stubborn and won't compromise on anything.

#26 Posted by natetodamax (19167 posts) -

Abraham Lincoln

#27 Posted by JasonR86 (9587 posts) -

I'm not really a fan of either.

#28 Posted by Christoffer (1742 posts) -

@gamefreak9 said:

@Christoffer said:

I'm not American so I'll stay out of this. But haven't Obama mostly been struggling with the aftermath of the Bush administration? Cooling of wars he never wanted to be in, repairing the recesion wich he wasn't the cause of.

Just saying that Obama maybe would have done better on other terms. But as I said, I'll stay out of this.

yes because the bush administration caused the recession... you should just stay out of the your right...

But real estate bubbles don't usually affect the whole world on that level. Alan Greenspan knew about this bubble early on (mid 2005 according to Wikipedia) and did... what? Kept on fighting wars?... well I'll stay out of it.

#29 Posted by Arker101 (1474 posts) -

@thevigilanteoflove said:

Presidents are given too much credit when things go well or flack when things go bad. So much of it has to do with things out of their immediate control, such as terrorist attacks and the ebb and flow of the market.

@Animasta said:

jimmy carter gets a lot of shit, but he's the coolest ex-president

Completely agreed.

@PulledaBrad: Why would you say that?

#30 Edited by MrKlorox (11198 posts) -

Cheney was the true president of the previous two terms. Bush was just the poster boy riding exclusively on his genes and trust fund.
 
Regardless, yes Obama has been a huge pushover and massive pussy for the republicans... but Cheney is a truly evil motherfucker. Cowardice beats malice.

#31 Posted by JasonR86 (9587 posts) -

@MrKlorox said:

Cheney was the true president of the previous two terms. Bush was just the poster boy riding exclusively on his genes and trust fund.

Yeah!

#32 Edited by Mr_Skeleton (5135 posts) -

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#33 Posted by Arkasai (701 posts) -

@PulledaBrad said:

Oh and its been 3 plus years now. The "cleaning up after Bush" excuse dosent hold water anymore. Especially when Ozombo the Clown hasnt done anything to rectify these situations, only dug them deeper.

Never heard that one before. What're you three?

#34 Posted by gamefreak9 (2336 posts) -

@RsistncE said:

@gamefreak9 said:

@Christoffer said:

I'm not American so I'll stay out of this. But haven't Obama mostly been struggling with the aftermath of the Bush administration? Cooling of wars he never wanted to be in, repairing the recesion wich he wasn't the cause of.

Just saying that Obama maybe would have done better on other terms. But as I said, I'll stay out of this.

yes because the bush administration caused the recession... you should just stay out of the your right...

Obviously the poster wasn't trying to claim the business cycle was caused by Bush, he was more or less referring to Bush's policies regarding subprime mortgage lenders, the investment houses who were using those mortgages as investment vehicles etc. except in layman's terms. Also let's not forget that Bush can single handedly take over 50% of the blame for nearly bankrupting your entire country. Oh and Iraq. Yeah, great president.

Yes lets not forget that he is responsible for exactly 50... dude you have your facts wrong its 53 ... the community reinvestment act was started in 1977... don't be a moron.

pseudo understanding doesn't work on everybody nice try though. Maybe you should stick to convincing 10 year olds.

#35 Posted by Kazona (3058 posts) -

@Wolverine said:

Obama isn't a bad president, he just has trouble accomplishing things because he doesn't have congressional support. When Bush was president the Democrats in congress would work with him, the Republicans currently in congress are stubborn and won't compromise on anything.

I'm not an American, but judging from the things I see and hear on the news, I would have to agree with this assessment. So far the only thing the Republicans have shown is that they're more interested in ensuring that Obama doesn't get re-elected rather than working on fixing things.

#36 Posted by JasonR86 (9587 posts) -

@Wolverine said:

Obama isn't a bad president, he just has trouble accomplishing things because he doesn't have congressional support. When Bush was president the Democrats in congress would work with him, the Republicans currently in congress are stubborn and won't compromise on anything.

That's absolute bull-shit dude.

#37 Posted by gamefreak9 (2336 posts) -

@Christoffer said:

@gamefreak9 said:

@Christoffer said:

I'm not American so I'll stay out of this. But haven't Obama mostly been struggling with the aftermath of the Bush administration? Cooling of wars he never wanted to be in, repairing the recesion wich he wasn't the cause of.

Just saying that Obama maybe would have done better on other terms. But as I said, I'll stay out of this.

yes because the bush administration caused the recession... you should just stay out of the your right...

But real estate bubbles don't usually affect the whole world on that level. Alan Greenspan knew about this bubble early on (mid 2005 according to Wikipedia) and did... what? Kept on fighting wars?... well I'll stay out of it.

lots of people "knew" about it... i hate prophets because you can never distinguish the real ones... actually there are probably no real one because you only hear about successes. There are at least 10k people in the media predicting crisis every month the fact is you can't separate the ones who know from the one who got lucky. Greenspan might have known but i'm sure that every president has dozens of doomsayers talking about responsibilities. I personally blame the rating agencies... everything else was working as it should have... only they did something "Wrong". Unless you consider helping the poor "wrong"

#38 Posted by JacDG (2113 posts) -

@RsistncE said:

. Too many idiots voting make democracy an incredibly dangerous thing.

You are so right, every time politics have been discussed at school, I'm baffled about how little some people know, and vote the exact opposite of their actual believes without even knowing it. In my opinion, I'm at a point where I'd almost say that you'd have to pass a test before being able to vote.

#39 Posted by Christoffer (1742 posts) -

@gamefreak9 said:

@Christoffer said:

@gamefreak9 said:

@Christoffer said:

I'm not American so I'll stay out of this. But haven't Obama mostly been struggling with the aftermath of the Bush administration? Cooling of wars he never wanted to be in, repairing the recesion wich he wasn't the cause of.

Just saying that Obama maybe would have done better on other terms. But as I said, I'll stay out of this.

yes because the bush administration caused the recession... you should just stay out of the your right...

But real estate bubbles don't usually affect the whole world on that level. Alan Greenspan knew about this bubble early on (mid 2005 according to Wikipedia) and did... what? Kept on fighting wars?... well I'll stay out of it.

lots of people "knew" about it... i hate prophets because you can never distinguish the real ones... actually there are probably no real one because you only hear about successes. There are at least 10k people in the media predicting crisis every month the fact is you can't separate the ones who know from the one who got lucky. Greenspan might have known but i'm sure that every president has dozens of doomsayers talking about responsibilities. I personally blame the rating agencies... everything else was working as it should have... only they did something "Wrong". Unless you consider helping the poor "wrong"

Alright, that's an answer I guess. To get back to the original question, I'll take it you prefer the Bush administration then. I'm not suggesting that Obama's been doing great either (whatever sub-text you've been reading into my posts).

#40 Posted by MysteriousBob (6272 posts) -

@ThePickle said:

Bush. It's not exactly what he did, it's what he got to do. He got in the White House twice with two incredibly close elections, and got everything he wanted. Obama whooped McCain, but still can't get anything done. I'm sorry, but to be called a good president you need to get shit done. Obama has the backbone of a jellyfish. Bush is a better president because he got everything done he wanted to. It just so happens there was a lot of really bad stuff there. But at least he never allowed indefinite detention of US citizens.

By that logic, Hitler was one of the greatest leaders to have ever lived. He wanted a Holocaust? He got one! I don't see how performing crimes against humanity makes you a more courageous leader.

#41 Posted by gamefreak9 (2336 posts) -

@Christoffer said:

@gamefreak9 said:

@Christoffer said:

@gamefreak9 said:

@Christoffer said:

I'm not American so I'll stay out of this. But haven't Obama mostly been struggling with the aftermath of the Bush administration? Cooling of wars he never wanted to be in, repairing the recesion wich he wasn't the cause of.

Just saying that Obama maybe would have done better on other terms. But as I said, I'll stay out of this.

yes because the bush administration caused the recession... you should just stay out of the your right...

But real estate bubbles don't usually affect the whole world on that level. Alan Greenspan knew about this bubble early on (mid 2005 according to Wikipedia) and did... what? Kept on fighting wars?... well I'll stay out of it.

lots of people "knew" about it... i hate prophets because you can never distinguish the real ones... actually there are probably no real one because you only hear about successes. There are at least 10k people in the media predicting crisis every month the fact is you can't separate the ones who know from the one who got lucky. Greenspan might have known but i'm sure that every president has dozens of doomsayers talking about responsibilities. I personally blame the rating agencies... everything else was working as it should have... only they did something "Wrong". Unless you consider helping the poor "wrong"

Alright, that's an answer I guess. To get back to the original question, I'll take it you prefer the Bush administration then. I'm not suggesting that Obama's been doing great either (whatever sub-text you've been reading into my posts).

oh wait... I wasn't implying i prefer the Bush Administration at all. Actually I prefer Obama... Obamacare is probably one of the best things to happen to the US. I am just saying that we should not blame Bush for everything... since most of the stuff wasn't in his (reasonable) control.

#42 Posted by Spankmealotus (277 posts) -

@MysteriousBob: as a leader goes Hitler was one of the greatest. It just happends that he was also one of the most evil. Someone saying a person is great at their job doesn't mean that person supports their ideals, it just means they recognize that persons ability.

#43 Posted by EisforExtinction (78 posts) -

Hulk Hogan was the worst president.

#44 Posted by wewantsthering (1547 posts) -

We all know that presidents don't have any real power. They're just puppets of the Illuminati.

#45 Posted by Harkat (1099 posts) -

@wewantsthering said:

We all know that presidents don't have any real power. They're just puppets of the Illuminati.

Finally, some sense in this in this thread.

#46 Posted by DeeGee (2113 posts) -

Being English, I know nothing about your politics. So I'll go off what I DO know:

Obama sings, he makes jokes about Donald Trump, he plays Just Dance ...

He's a pretty cool dude.

#47 Posted by Rudyftw (554 posts) -

Are you fucking kidding me people? WHY was Bush more horrible than Obama? You can't even tell me why can you?

Obama fucking wrecked this country. Everything Bush did, Obama did 3 X's worse. STOP WATCHING FOX NEWS YOU IDIOTS./endrant

#48 Posted by Pacmanlh (77 posts) -

Obama made too many promises during his campaign to actually make them all true in one term but I think things have turned out much better than McCain winning. While that doesn't necessarily excuse anything because the economy is so bad people will naturally hate him no matter what else he does. Bush on the other hand did some good but made many poor decisions that have messed up the economy, damaged America's image in the rest of the world and was not a great public speaker. No matter how much people may hate him, they know that he will get re-elected because republicans don't have a viable candidate. Change takes time, have patience.

#49 Posted by theveej (811 posts) -

some of the stuff people are sayin here are crazy. Bush was one of the worst presidents in US history, he might have single handedlly ended the dominance of the American empire.

I'm helping in a research project for one of my profs at school, looking at corporate wrongdoing and media coverage from famous world publications between 1999-2009 for 50 of the top companies in America.....

after reading thousands of articles I will assure you that Bush royally fucked your country in the ass multiple times (just from the business side). and that's not including fucking up the Middle East and for some strange reason occupying Iraq before securing Afghanistan. Trust me Obama is no saint (I think he's pretty weak and thought that Hilary would have been a much better candidate) but you can't compare him to the shit sandwich that was George W, Bush

#50 Posted by Vodun (2370 posts) -

A discussion of American politics on the internet. Only good things can come of this!