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#1 Edited by Dallas_Raines (2191 posts) -

Johnathon Nolan, Duncan Jones and JJ Abrams all wanted a shot at Superman, but Warner chose Zakk.

Thanks, Warner. Not only have you fucked up Superman(again), but you doomed your film universe. This is akin to Marvel starting the Avengers-verse with shitty ass Captain America, instead of Iron Man. You've set the tone, and the tone is bad. How hard is it to just adapt the works of Grant Morrison, Alan Moore and Joe Casey? David S. Goyer is a bad writer, which is exactly why Nolan didn't have him write his movies, he just provided ideas for them. Fuck Warner, Fuck Zakk Snyder and Fuck David Goyer.(Nolan gets a pass because he didn't have much to do with the film beyond his name.)

edit: Mark Waid's review perfectly encapsulates everything wrong with the movie. Take note that he spoils everything.

http://thrillbent.com/blog/man-of-steel-since-you-asked/

#2 Edited by SpartyOn (500 posts) -

Wow, over react much?

I don't know a single person who spells his name with two K's by the way....you know, just sayin'.

#3 Edited by OllyOxenFree (4979 posts) -

Wow.

#4 Edited by csl316 (9229 posts) -

I'm confused, I've heard people liking the movie.

Have you seen it? What's wrong with it? This is how a conversation starts.

#5 Posted by Hunkulese (2832 posts) -

Superman stories will always be dumb.

#6 Posted by TheVeteran13 (1214 posts) -

Superman sucks to begin with, so I don't think the director really makes a difference.

#7 Posted by HoboZero (205 posts) -

His adaptation of 300 was picture perfect, even Frank Miller said it was better than anything he could have hoped for. And his Watchmen adaptation was about as good a version of Watchmen we are likely to get outside of a 12-part HBO mini-series, which has zero chance of ever happening. There are far worse directors out there.

Other names with two K's: Zakk Wylde? :)

#8 Edited by Dallas_Raines (2191 posts) -

@csl316: I'm not going to waste my money on a bad movie. Critics all over the place are shitting on it, normal folks who saw advanced screenings are shitting on it, friends of the site like Jeff Green and Gary Whitta are shitting on it. Check out any review, even a 'positive' one by RT's standards(And boy do they have low standards) and you'll see that they just made a Transformers movie guest starring Superman.

40 minute action scenes involving mainly cg explosions and random grey metal objects do no interest me. Dark of the Moon is the only movie that's ever put me to sleep, and that series started this awful trend in cinema.

#9 Edited by RonGalaxy (3259 posts) -

He's an amazing director, what are you talking about? Maybe the script sucked, but he didn't write it, so not his fault.

#10 Edited by Dallas_Raines (2191 posts) -

Zakk Snyder is the M. Night Shamalyan of action films.

#11 Posted by Redbullet685 (6065 posts) -

I like Zack Snyder. He has done good adapting existing stories in the past. Dawn of the Dead (2004), 300, and Watchmen are all very good movies in my eyes. I haven't seen Man of Steel but it looks alright. I'm sure you're just overreacting.

#12 Edited by csl316 (9229 posts) -

@dallas_raines: I dunno, Comic Vine gave it 5 stars and I trust them with comic book movies. 300 was cool for what it was, I enjoyed Dawn of the Dead, and Watchmen kept me engaged for three hours.

I find it odd that you can get so furious about a movie you haven't even seen, but do what you feel like, I guess.

#14 Edited by big_jon (5770 posts) -

I hear it's pretty good, I'm looking forward to it, enjoy wallowing in your hyperbole.

#15 Posted by benpicko (2011 posts) -

I agree but the other directors you've listed are terrible too. Well, except Duncan Jones.

#16 Posted by benpicko (2011 posts) -

He's an amazing director, what are you talking about? Maybe the script sucked, but he didn't write it, so not his fault.

He's a worse writer than he is a director, and he's fucking awful at that.

#17 Posted by devilzrule27 (1239 posts) -

I lost any interest in seeing the movie when they announced he was directing it. He's terrible.

#18 Edited by Reisz (1522 posts) -

I expect him to do an excellent job with Superman. The previous treatments have all lacked the visual gravitas and splendour that Zach Snyder brings to his work. We all know he isn't an excellent writer but his visual style is unmatched for this sort of thing.

Maybe he should have been cinematographer first and foremost with another director at the helm but then we'd have a less cohesive movie over all.

Oh my god! You haven't actually seen it. You little bugger you got me! How did I fall for that, never mind I'll take my cogent discussion elsewhere.

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#19 Posted by Zella (796 posts) -

Superman stories will always be dumb.

Yeah this, I don't care who is writing/directing I've never found a Superman story interesting. It's been said a thousand times but he's just way too powerful to create any real threat to him without some stupid gimmick.

#20 Edited by Dallas_Raines (2191 posts) -

@zella: He's no more powerful than most cosmic heroes and villains in both DC and Marvel. Hell, he started out as a street level, socialist crusader.

#21 Posted by sodapop7 (280 posts) -

Boy good thing you gave some real examples of why the movie isn't good.

Looks good to me I'll see it next week sometime. I'm sure it'll be a fun movie.

#22 Edited by ssj4raditz (1125 posts) -

At least this time he's got an actual bad guy to fight, not a real estate scheme to thwart...

#23 Edited by Hailinel (25201 posts) -

Johnathon Nolan, Duncan Jones and JJ Abrams all wanted a shot at Superman, but Warner chose Zakk.

Thanks, Warner. Not only have you fucked up Superman(again), but you doomed your film universe. This is akin to Marvel starting the Avengers-verse with shitty ass Captain America, instead of Iron Man. You've set the tone, and the tone is bad. How fucking hard is it to just adapt the works of Grant Morrison, Alan Moore and Joe Casey? David S. Goyer is a bad writer, which is exactly why Nolan didn't have him write his movies, he just provided ideas for them. Fuck Warner, Fuck Zakk Snyder and Fuck David Goyer.(Nolan gets a pass because he didn't have much to do with the film beyond his name.)

Dude, Captain America was a good movie.

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#24 Posted by ArbitraryWater (11991 posts) -

RRRRR I AM SO ANGRY ABOUT A MOVIE I HAVE YET TO WATCH

#25 Posted by Dallas_Raines (2191 posts) -

@hailinel: Shitty-ass might be a little harsh, I guess.

#26 Posted by FunkasaurasRex (847 posts) -

I wanna say that he was chosen to direct when he was still considered hot shit in Hollywood (pre-Sucker Punch), but I could be wrong.

Also, I don't much care for Snyder's work either, but it's a fucking super hero movie. Chill.

#27 Edited by TooWalrus (13254 posts) -

@hailinel said:

@dallas_raines said:

Johnathon Nolan, Duncan Jones and JJ Abrams all wanted a shot at Superman, but Warner chose Zakk.

Thanks, Warner. Not only have you fucked up Superman(again), but you doomed your film universe. This is akin to Marvel starting the Avengers-verse with shitty ass Captain America, instead of Iron Man. You've set the tone, and the tone is bad. How fucking hard is it to just adapt the works of Grant Morrison, Alan Moore and Joe Casey? David S. Goyer is a bad writer, which is exactly why Nolan didn't have him write his movies, he just provided ideas for them. Fuck Warner, Fuck Zakk Snyder and Fuck David Goyer.(Nolan gets a pass because he didn't have much to do with the film beyond his name.)

Dude, Captain America was a good movie.

I'll disagree with that. Though... Incredible Hulk's pretty good...

#28 Edited by OllyOxenFree (4979 posts) -

RRRRR I AM SO ANGRY ABOUT A MOVIE I HAVE YET TO WATCH

FEEL MY ANGER THROUGH ALL OF MY TEXT

FEEL IT FEEL IT

FEEL THE VIBRATION

#29 Posted by Zella (796 posts) -

@zella: He's no more powerful than most cosmic heroes and villains in both DC and Marvel. Hell, he started out as a street level, socialist crusader.

New 52 Superman maybe, but pre-52 Superman is easily more powerful than 99% of the earth based Marvel Universe(plus a large portion of the Cosmic side) and most of the DC Universe. Add in that he is often portrayed as a genius and has only two weaknesses, kryptonite and magic, and he is just too "perfect" of a hero.

#30 Posted by Breadfan (6590 posts) -

A well articulated critique. Keep it classy.

#31 Posted by TangoUp (314 posts) -

They chose Nolan for Superman too.

Grimdark-gritty-woooo-rawrrrr-deepshit-did-i-say-gritty-yet?

#32 Posted by Dallas_Raines (2191 posts) -

That score is aces, though.

#33 Posted by FengShuiGod (1492 posts) -

So when is the next Judge Dredd movie coming out?

#34 Posted by Giantstalker (1706 posts) -

@fengshuigod said:

So when is the next Judge Dredd movie coming out?

We can only hope it won't be long

#35 Posted by Dallas_Raines (2191 posts) -

@fengshuigod: They're making a sequel comic book, perhaps to test fan interest in a sequel after it sold so well on home media.

#36 Edited by EXTomar (4916 posts) -

There is always the 1978 Donner film!

#37 Edited by ShaggE (6624 posts) -

Is there some kinda "Crip Killa" dodging going on in here? What's with "Zakk"?

#38 Posted by Boom_goes_the_dynamite (744 posts) -

So when is the next Judge Dredd movie coming out?

There can never be enough Karl Urban. If Star Trek into Darkness was simply a buddy movie with Bones and Scotty it would have been my favorite movie of the summer.

#39 Edited by spiceninja (3064 posts) -

If it's better than Superman Returns then it's a winner.

#40 Posted by Hunter5024 (5891 posts) -

The only terrible movie he did was Sucker Punch, it sounds like he had quite a bit more reining him in this time around, and I imagine he learned a little from those mistakes. His other stuff was pretty good. Also 57% on rotten tomatoes isn't that bad. Has to be better than Superman Returns and Green Lantern.

#41 Posted by Fearbeard (834 posts) -

I'm sure they could have done much worse. They could have hired Brett Ratner for example.

I don't know. I enjoyed 300 and Watchmen. The visuals are always the high point of his movies but you always get that at the very least.

#42 Edited by RockyRaccoon37 (468 posts) -

@csl316: 40 minute action scenes involving mainly cg explosions and random grey metal objects do no interest me.

And yet you're a fan of the Marvel films?

#43 Posted by OneKillWonder_ (1803 posts) -

The only terrible movie he did was Sucker Punch, it sounds like he had quite a bit more reining him in this time around, and I imagine he learned a little from those mistakes. His other stuff was pretty good. Also 57% on rotten tomatoes isn't that bad. Has to be better than Superman Returns and Green Lantern.

I wouldn't even consider Sucker Punch to be terrible. Sure, simply as a movie, it leaves a lot to be desired, but visually, it's pretty outstanding. The guy has an amazing eye for creative and striking visuals and knows how to direct an action scene. Not a bad director by any stretch.

#44 Edited by themangalist (1742 posts) -

Though 300 was one of my favorite movies ever, Zack Snyder also made Sucker Punch, which happens to be one of the most pretentious piece of hot garbage I have ever seen.

#45 Posted by mrpandaman (870 posts) -

@hailinel said:

@dallas_raines said:

Johnathon Nolan, Duncan Jones and JJ Abrams all wanted a shot at Superman, but Warner chose Zakk.

Thanks, Warner. Not only have you fucked up Superman(again), but you doomed your film universe. This is akin to Marvel starting the Avengers-verse with shitty ass Captain America, instead of Iron Man. You've set the tone, and the tone is bad. How fucking hard is it to just adapt the works of Grant Morrison, Alan Moore and Joe Casey? David S. Goyer is a bad writer, which is exactly why Nolan didn't have him write his movies, he just provided ideas for them. Fuck Warner, Fuck Zakk Snyder and Fuck David Goyer.(Nolan gets a pass because he didn't have much to do with the film beyond his name.)

Dude, Captain America was a good movie.

I'll disagree with that. Though... Incredible Hulk's pretty good...

I'll agree to disagree with what you disagree with. Thor was the weakest one.

#46 Posted by Tru3_Blu3 (3236 posts) -
#47 Edited by Dallas_Raines (2191 posts) -

@rockyraccoon37 said:

@dallas_raines said:

@csl316: 40 minute action scenes involving mainly cg explosions and random grey metal objects do no interest me.

And yet you're a fan of the Marvel films?

I'm a big fan of the first Iron Man, but the rest I'm pretty cool on. I was actually pretty bored by the Avengers climax because it is exactly what I described above.

#48 Posted by RockyRaccoon37 (468 posts) -

@rockyraccoon37 said:

@dallas_raines said:

@csl316: 40 minute action scenes involving mainly cg explosions and random grey metal objects do no interest me.

And yet you're a fan of the Marvel films?

I'm a big fan of the first Iron Man, but the rest I'm pretty cool on. I was actually pretty bored by the Avengers climax because it is exactly what I described above.

Yeah I thought Avengers was a tedious bore, kinda feel the same way about all of the Marvel movies though.

Man of Steel looks potentially interesting though because of the representation of Superman as this idealized vision of American values going up against Zod who seems to represent a more contemporary America defined by violence, self interest, and morally bankrupt values.

Hard to say if Goyer could pull that off in his script since he's kind of hit or miss as a writer, but the trailers look interesting at least.

#49 Posted by Little_Socrates (5693 posts) -

REMINDER: film review aggregates can be wrong or may just not apply to you. Last year, Prometheus was absolutely one of my favorite films; this year, Pain & Gain and Spring Breakers easily earn the same distinction, and none of those films scored higher than a 65% on Metacritic or RottenTomatoes. And the much-beloved This Is Not A Film (with a ridiculous 100% on RottenTomatoes) was one of my least favorite movies I've ever seen.

They can, of course, also be right. Most everybody seems to agree on movies like ParaNorman (awesome,) Jack And Jill (oh my godddddd,) and The Hangover Part III (disappointing and at least kind of terrible,) so let's not throw them out entirely. But basing your opinion of a film entirely on other people's opinions is a great way to rob yourself of films you might find incredible.

(this short reminder highly glosses over the ways in which film reviews can help illuminate what it is you liked or disliked about films you've already seen and enhance the filmgoing experience beyond the simple qualitative in favor of trying to shut down arguments based on bias towards filmmakers.)

NOW, ENJOY THIS ARTICLE EXPLAINING WHY YOU SHOULD NEVER HATE A MOVIE. AND THEN ITS FOLLOW-UP ON NEVER HATING A DIRECTOR.

#50 Posted by Hailinel (25201 posts) -

Somewhat relevant to the topic, but thought I'd share:

A couple of nights ago, I dreamed that I was watching the new Superman movie. (Obviously not the actual new Superman movie.) There came a point where an underling of Zodd brainwashed Superman and took him captive. As they start applying red facepaint to his face, I look away from the screen, look back, and then HOLY HELL, he's dressed up like a stereotypical Native American warrior, complete with headdress. I turn again and look at the director (not Snyder, but regardless the guy is just sitting right there), and I'm like, "What, seriously?"

His response was he didnt' see a problem with it. I look at the screen again, and Superman is now dancing in a circle doing that stereotypical Native American war cry thing where they shout while clapping a hand over their mouth repeatedly. I then glare at the director, and he suddenly gets defensive, claiming that he never saw that footage and it had been put in the film by someone else.

And as amazingly offensive and stupid as the dream version of Man of Steel was, I actually kind of want to see it more than Snyder's actual version.

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