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#1 Posted by DonutFever (3551 posts) -

What's your take on the recently revived controversy over Penny Arcade's "Dickwolves" panel? 

#2 Edited by Cincaid (2956 posts) -
#3 Posted by EpicSteve (6487 posts) -

I don't get it. 

#4 Posted by Metal_Mills (2999 posts) -

Want to fill us in a little on the controversy?

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#5 Posted by imsh_pl (3295 posts) -

You mean the one that is 5 months old?

#6 Posted by TaliciaDragonsong (8699 posts) -

Oh joy, Penny Arcade. >.>

#7 Edited by DonutFever (3551 posts) -
@CrazyChris: Yes, it came up again recently. Apparently some people were threatening to not attend/bring their panels to PAX, and the PA guys took their Dickwolves merch of the store. A lot of the folks I follow on Twitter have been talking about it. 
EDIT: Here's the public apology Gabe put up yesterday: 

It’s true that we have decided to remove the Dickwolves shirt from the store. Some people are happy about this but a lot more of you are upset. You think we’ve caved into to pressure from a vocal minority and you’re not entirely wrong. let me at least break down why we did it though.

First of all I would never remove the strip or even apologize for the joke. It’s funny and the fact that some people don’t get it, or are offended by it doesn’t change that. People complained about the strip and that’s fine with me, my response as always is “if you don’t like it don’t read it.” It is very easy not to log on to Penny Arcade and read our bullshit. We’ve always made offensive comics and that’s not going to change anytime soon. If jokes about violence,rape,aids,pedophilia,bestiality,drugs,cancer,homosexuality, and religion bother you then I recommend reading a different webcomic.

PAX is a different matter though. We want PAX to be a place were everyone feels welcome and we’ve worked really hard to make that happen. From not allowing booth babes to making sure we have panels that represent all our attendees. When I heard from a few people that the shirt would make them uncomfortable at PAX, that gave me pause. Now whether I think that’s a fair or warranted reaction doesn’t really matter. These were not rants on blogs but personal mails to me from people being very reasonable. It’s how they feel and according to them at least, removing the shirt would make them feel better about attending the show. For me that’s an easy fix to the problem. I really don’t want to have this fight and if not having it is as simple as not selling a shirt then I’ll do it. Contrary to what they might think I’m not a complete asshole.

Now for some people removing the shirt isn’t enough. They don’t want to come to PAX or support PA because of the strip or because they think Tycho and I are perpetuating some kind of rape culture and that’s a different matter. First off it assumes a lot about us that simply isn’t true but more importantly it’s not something I can fix. I’ve gotten a couple messages from people saying they are “conflicted” about coming to PAX. My response to them is: don’t come. Just don’t do it. In fact give me your name and I’ll refund your money if you already bought a ticket. I’ll even put you on a list so that if, in a moment of weakness you try to by a ticket we can cancel the order.

So there you go. It’s not a simple decision. No matter what we do we’ll have people mad at us. If you want to talk more about it we can chat at PAX.

-Gabe out

   
#8 Posted by KarlPilkington (2731 posts) -

I was raped by Dickwolves, it's no joke.

#9 Posted by Cincaid (2956 posts) -
@DonutFever: 
Because they joke about rape? Or am I missing something?
#10 Edited by KarlPilkington (2731 posts) -
@CrazyChris said:

" @DonutFever:  Because they joke about rape? Or am I missing something? "

They are fine with rape, you just don't joke about Dickwolves, people get angry.
#11 Posted by TheDudeOfGaming (6078 posts) -

Um...see no controversy,or humor for that matter.

#12 Posted by TaliciaDragonsong (8699 posts) -

I don't like Penny Arcade but this is just bullshit.
 
What are they even mad about? Rape? Dickwolves? Get over yourselves.

#13 Posted by DonutFever (3551 posts) -
@CrazyChris: I'm not sure why it was this panel specifically (Perhaps because they sold merch about it?), but people were really offended by them joking about rape. 
#14 Posted by NoDeath (798 posts) -

There was a bit of an upset when they released that comic. A bunch of people found it really offensive, saying PA shouldn't make light of rape and all that. PA's response was along the lines of "Wait, since when have we been PC about anything? Ever?" They even wound up making a T-shirt based on the strip. Then recently, in this post Gabe said that cause people said they'd feel uncomfortable at PAX if they saw the T-shirt, they've taken it off the store.

#15 Posted by DonutFever (3551 posts) -
@NoDeath: People were also offended by their apology, because it made the people who were offended out to be the bad guy.
#16 Edited by ninjakiller (3405 posts) -
@DonutFever said:

" @CrazyChris: I'm not sure why it was this panel specifically (Perhaps because they sold merch about it?), but people were really offended by them joking about rape.  "

Oh so some pussies got upset?  I'd double down on the dickwolves and just shove it in peoples faces at that point.  People need to get over shit, and stop this fucking feigned outrage and every turn already.   
 
 
@DonutFever said:
" @NoDeath: People were also offended by their apology, because it made the people who were offended out to be the bad guy. "
Because they fucking are the bad guys.  
#17 Posted by Metal_Mills (2999 posts) -

 "That dickwolves shirt makes me very unconformable!" :(
 
"OH WOW GEARS OF WAR 3! YEAH CHAINSAW HIM OPEN YEAH STOMP ON HIS HEAD!"

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#18 Posted by crusader8463 (14422 posts) -

Christ I hate people. Anyone who got offended by something stupid like that needs to fuck off, call their ISP and tell them to disconnect their internet. I can understand in a way agreeing to the not selling the shirt at PAX thing, but anything beyond that is just dumb.

#19 Posted by Pinworm45 (4088 posts) -

I don't even get it. I mean, I actually thought that was the funniest PA comic I've seen (I don't consider them that funny though so) because It's always amused me how you can save 5 slaves or whatever in an MMO then just leave all the others ones because FUCK YOU I FINISHED MY QUOTA, but I don't get dickwolves. Like I don't get that. Is it just a funny word? is it a reference to something? 
 
Who the fuck would be offended by that anyway? 
 
I hope they get raped by dickwolves.

#20 Posted by anarchyzombie9 (615 posts) -

To quote the beautiful Jim Sterling 
" I hate people who think tasteless humor is fine until it touches on their one personal pet issue. Fuck you, you self-serving cunts."

#21 Posted by FancySoapsMan (5831 posts) -

lolrapelol

#22 Posted by DonutFever (3551 posts) -
@Pinworm45: They're not offended by the Dickwolves part, it's the part about rape.  
While I'm totally fine with the comic itself, the apology seems weird to me. Something about it does sound really dickish.
#23 Posted by Pinworm45 (4088 posts) -
@DonutFever said:
" @Pinworm45: They're not offended by the Dickwolves part, it's the part about rape.  While I'm totally fine with the comic itself, the apology seems weird to me. Something about it does sound really dickish. "
I get that, I just don't get what a dickwolf is. A wolf made of dicks? It's irrelevant I guess, then. 
 
Also, being offended by the apology kinda proves what the apology was trying to say. "we like being offensive, if you don't like that kind of humor, respectfully, this isn't the comic for you". seems reasonable for me. Personally, I don't think any apology was owed at all. Not even close.
#24 Posted by FluxWaveZ (19347 posts) -
@imsh_pl said:
" You mean the one that is 5 months old? "
Yeah, pretty useless making a thread about it now.
#25 Posted by wefwefasdf (6729 posts) -

I want one of those shirts now. Don't people have better things to get upset about?

#26 Posted by TheGremp (2064 posts) -

That's probably the lightest rape-related comic I've seen from them in about a decade...  I don't see how anyone could be offended by that.

#27 Posted by GunslingerPanda (4759 posts) -

What are people getting upset about? The fact that it mentions slavery? Ohnoes! PA is shit anyway.

#28 Posted by JackSukeru (5913 posts) -

what does the shirt look like?

#29 Posted by DonutFever (3551 posts) -
@FluxWaveZ said:
" @imsh_pl said:
" You mean the one that is 5 months old? "
Yeah, pretty useless making a thread about it now. "
Honestly, I thought this thread would be about the apology, but I guess it wasn't as big a deal as I thought it was, seeing as people didn't know what it was about.
#30 Posted by FlyingRat (1446 posts) -

Considering how much time people who read Penny Arcade probably spend on the internet, it's really weird that they would get offended by this...

#31 Posted by Funzzo (835 posts) -

Thought it was funny. Also I just picked up ep 1 and 2 of on the rain slick precipice of darkness for 3 bucks on steam.
#32 Posted by BaneFireLord (2935 posts) -

People are inconsistent and stupid. 'Nuff said.

#33 Posted by wickedsc3 (1046 posts) -

People are seriously upset about this????  PA don't give these people another thought, anyone doing this kind of comedy has to deal with these over reacting people just ask south park, family guy, ect...

#34 Posted by Aronman789 (2676 posts) -

This is why you can't say anything nowadays without it being seen as a bad thing by someone.  Just how I can't criticizes a black guy without being called racist, and I can't question religion without being called a self centered asshole atheist, can't think any one of the conservative views isn't bad without being called a Sarah Palin loving dipshit, and can't have sex with lots of men without being called a homosexual.

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#35 Posted by MegaGoat (219 posts) -

PA deserves the audience that it gets

#36 Posted by Enigma777 (6073 posts) -

It's all fun and games till someone gets raped by a dickwolf.

#37 Posted by siln (84 posts) -

In an older podcast, the PA guys mused something along the lines of the PA readers being a "Wheel of Misfortune".  I think it was Jerry who said that eventually, it's going to land on your issue and "you will be made to suffer for the amusement of the rest of the wheel".  Some people just aren't very gracious about it.

#38 Posted by dpedal1 (191 posts) -

I just really feel like people missed the overall joke.  The point of the strip was not rape or dickwolves, it was satirizing the quota mechanic of certain games, mainly MMOs.  They could have used anything else as the "macguffin."  If they had used something else like, the captors chopped off heads and hung them on stakes for some reason that would be ok.  That is disgusting in its own right.  We play video games in which we kill things all the time, but we are not offended at that??  Penny Arcade is making fun of the video games not the act of rape.

#39 Posted by WilliamHenry (1203 posts) -
@Pinworm45 said:
" @DonutFever said:
" @Pinworm45: They're not offended by the Dickwolves part, it's the part about rape.  While I'm totally fine with the comic itself, the apology seems weird to me. Something about it does sound really dickish. "
I get that, I just don't get what a dickwolf is. A wolf made of dicks? It's irrelevant I guess, then.  Also, being offended by the apology kinda proves what the apology was trying to say. "we like being offensive, if you don't like that kind of humor, respectfully, this isn't the comic for you". seems reasonable for me. Personally, I don't think any apology was owed at all. Not even close. "

I think its just a wolf thats a dick, since the wolf in a character in the strip. Its not literally a wolf made entirely out of actual dicks.
#40 Posted by Malakhii (1443 posts) -

I guarantee many more people are going to wear that shirt to PAX now. 

#41 Posted by ryanwho (12082 posts) -

So I went to check. 
 
The cartoon drawing isn't of a girl so I'm not offended. My arbitrary line is in a different place than the arbitrary line those guys have.  
Can we just be honest? This is a manifestation of Penny Arcade Readers feeling guilty that they masturbate to rape hentai constantly. Much like closest pedos end up congressmen who make tougher child porn laws.

#42 Posted by HaltIamReptar (2029 posts) -

I thought the strip was implying Dick Wolf's family is a pack of rapists.

#43 Posted by jkz (4028 posts) -

Dumbass American cultural sensitivities rear their ugly head again. 
 
Sure son, you can slice open that minotaur and watch his innards spill out. 
Wait, SEX? And it's not consensual?! Get that filth out of here.

#44 Posted by Hailinel (24864 posts) -
@DivineCC said:
" @Pinworm45 said:
" @DonutFever said:
" @Pinworm45: They're not offended by the Dickwolves part, it's the part about rape.  While I'm totally fine with the comic itself, the apology seems weird to me. Something about it does sound really dickish. "
I get that, I just don't get what a dickwolf is. A wolf made of dicks? It's irrelevant I guess, then.  Also, being offended by the apology kinda proves what the apology was trying to say. "we like being offensive, if you don't like that kind of humor, respectfully, this isn't the comic for you". seems reasonable for me. Personally, I don't think any apology was owed at all. Not even close. "
I think its just a wolf thats a dick, since the wolf in a character in the strip. Its not literally a wolf made entirely out of actual dicks. "
No, it's been made quite clear at PAX.  A dickwolf is a wolf whose every limb is a phallus.
#45 Edited by Everyones_A_Critic (6299 posts) -

I've never really liked Penny Arcade in general, I feel like the writers think they're a lot funnier than they are  but this is just ridiculous. Anyone offended by a god damn T-Shirt doesn't belong on the internet to begin with. I mean, it's a T-Shirt. A fucking T-Shirt!!!
 
EDIT: My bad for associating those guys with such a shitty game name.

#46 Posted by HaltIamReptar (2029 posts) -
@Everyones_A_Critic said:
 (DEATH SPANK LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL)
I haven't been keeping up with Penny-Arcade, so fill me in.  They had nothing to do with the game, so, did they praise the title a lot or something?
#47 Posted by Hailinel (24864 posts) -
@Everyones_A_Critic said:
" I've never really liked Penny Arcade in general, I feel like the writers think they're a lot funnier than they are (DEATH SPANK LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL) but this is just ridiculous. Anyone offended by a god damn T-Shirt doesn't belong on the internet to begin with. I mean, it's a T-Shirt. A fucking T-Shirt!!! "
Penny Arcade had no involvement in Death Spank.
#48 Posted by Everyones_A_Critic (6299 posts) -
@HaltIamReptar said:
" @Everyones_A_Critic said:
 (DEATH SPANK LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL)
I haven't been keeping up with Penny-Arcade, so fill me in.  They had nothing to do with the game, so, did they praise the title a lot or something? "
I could have sworn some of the writers from PA worked on Death Spank, if not then that was my mistake. Still, I hate that game's name.
#49 Posted by DonutFever (3551 posts) -
@Everyones_A_Critic said:
" I've never really liked Penny Arcade in general, I feel like the writers think they're a lot funnier than they are (DEATH SPANK LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL) but this is just ridiculous. Anyone offended by a god damn T-Shirt doesn't belong on the internet to begin with. I mean, it's a T-Shirt. A fucking T-Shirt!!! "
PA only worked with Hothead on the PA games, nothing else. 
#50 Posted by Apathylad (3066 posts) -

 I rarely find Penny Arcade funny, but I respect what they've done for the industry. I didn't find the initial comic offensive, but I could see where people were coming from with the merchandising stuff. Was this the logo?