It's pretty obvious. I mean, racism is one of those "catch all" mental hangups that gives you an easier way to look at life. There's no longer any complex variables, it's just "us and them" and nothing in between. It's a comfortable blanket. And further more, most people who pursue professional racism as a career are in luck since there's such a strong sense of community when you all have the same idea. It takes less effort to be racist, it's lazy.
You could replace the word "racism" with "religion" and the sentence is still the same. It is just an iherent trait of the numan race. You will never get rid of it, you just keep on top of it. I also don't a racist is automatically a dumb or bad person. I certainly have friends and relatives that say racist things. They just have selective ignorance.
Not sure how racesists are stupid or the meaning of low iq and its a science fact. I could name a man who where smart and a huge racesist but because of what that man did to my family and many others I will not, dare say his name.
Not sure how racesists are stupid or the meaning of low iq and its a science fact. I could name a man who where smart and a huge racesist but because of what that man did to my family and many others I will not, dare say his name.
It's pretty obvious. I mean, racism is one of those "catch all" mental hangups that gives you an easier way to look at life. There's no longer any complex variables, it's just "us and them" and nothing in between. It's a comfortable blanket. And further more, most people who pursue professional racism as a career are in luck since there's such a strong sense of community when you all have the same idea. It takes less effort to be racist, it's lazy.
You could replace the word "racism" with "religion" and the sentence is still the same. It is just an iherent trait of the numan race. You will never get rid of it, you just keep on top of it. I also don't a racist is automatically a dumb or bad person. I certainly have friends and relatives that say racist things. They just have selective ignorance.
You could say the same thing about people who are bigoted towards religion, or anything. I think people who make blanketed statements, while not stupid, are a lot of times misinformed or can't understand that a small minority of anything doesn't represent what an entire population is like. Saying "all illegal immigrants are thugs" just because a small minority commits crime, "all atheists are arrogant," and "all Christians are stupid" are all blanketed statements; none of them makes the sayer appear more intelligent than the next, and any generalization given to a large majority of people ever makes the person making the bigoted remark ever look intelligent.
Racism is dumb no matter what your political ideology. And if this is a veiled attempt at calling people racist for not liking Obama ... the race card is so, so old. The man got elected PotUS so his race obviously isn't much of a factor, is it? Legitimate racism and bigotry are real problems though, perpetuated by pathetic people.
There's a few things I thought of when I read this news article. The first one was directly in the article;
"Hodson was quick to note that the despite the link found between low intelligence and social conservatism, the researchers aren't implying that all liberals are brilliant and all conservatives stupid. The research is a study of averages over large groups, he said.
"There are multiple examples of very bright conservatives and not-so-bright liberals, and many examples of very principled conservatives and very intolerant liberals," Hodson said.
Nosek gave another example to illustrate the dangers of taking the findings too literally.
"We can say definitively men are taller than women on average," he said. "But you can't say if you take a random man and you take a random woman that the man is going to be taller. There's plenty of overlap."
Here's another thing I thought of and it was directly in the article as well;
"Hodson and Busseri's explanation of their findings is reasonable, Nosek said, but it is correlational. That means the researchers didn't conclusively prove that the low intelligence caused the later prejudice. To do that, you'd have to somehow randomly assign otherwise identical people to be smart or dumb, liberal or conservative. Those sorts of studies obviously aren't possible."
I think prejudice is way to complex to boil down to simple political ideologies. That ignores history (personal and cross-generational), cultural self-identity (not just national culture smaller cultures familial, religious, personal), and so on. What I feel when I read this article is that the researchers have used 'science' as a weapon to attack a political ideology. Their interpretations are so concrete, are so absolute in their meaning that it is almost laughable. I think that this whole thing is unfortunate.
Racism is dumb no matter what your political ideology. And if this is a veiled attempt at calling people racist for not liking Obama ... the race card is so, so old. The man got elected PotUS so his race obviously isn't much of a factor, is it? Legitimate racism and bigotry are real problems though, perpetuated by pathetic people.
I only made the Obama statement because it was something relevant that we've all heard before. Please don't take a small part of my post out of context, and you're not the only one here to have done so.
The article is about racism and how it relates to some conservative mindsets and their political views. How hard is it to understand that something current and relevant be used as an example?
There's a few things I thought of when I read this news article. The first one was directly in the article;
"Hodson was quick to note that the despite the link found between low intelligence and social conservatism, the researchers aren't implying that all liberals are brilliant and all conservatives stupid. The research is a study of averages over large groups, he said.
"There are multiple examples of very bright conservatives and not-so-bright liberals, and many examples of very principled conservatives and very intolerant liberals," Hodson said.
Nosek gave another example to illustrate the dangers of taking the findings too literally.
"We can say definitively men are taller than women on average," he said. "But you can't say if you take a random man and you take a random woman that the man is going to be taller. There's plenty of overlap."
Here's another thing I thought of and it was directly in the article as well;
"Hodson and Busseri's explanation of their findings is reasonable, Nosek said, but it is correlational. That means the researchers didn't conclusively prove that the low intelligence caused the later prejudice. To do that, you'd have to somehow randomly assign otherwise identical people to be smart or dumb, liberal or conservative. Those sorts of studies obviously aren't possible."
I think prejudice is way to complex to boil down to simple political ideologies. That ignores history (personal and cross-generational), cultural self-identity (not just national culture smaller cultures familial, religious, personal), and so on. What I feel when I read this article is that the researchers have used 'science' as a weapon to attack a political ideology. Their interpretations are so concrete, are so absolute in their meaning that it is almost laughable. I think that this whole thing is unfortunate.
We've covered this in this thread already. Thanks for reading!
It's pretty obvious. I mean, racism is one of those "catch all" mental hangups that gives you an easier way to look at life. There's no longer any complex variables, it's just "us and them" and nothing in between. It's a comfortable blanket. And further more, most people who pursue professional racism as a career are in luck since there's such a strong sense of community when you all have the same idea. It takes less effort to be racist, it's lazy.
You could replace the word "racism" with "religion" and the sentence is still the same. It is just an iherent trait of the numan race. You will never get rid of it, you just keep on top of it. I also don't a racist is automatically a dumb or bad person. I certainly have friends and relatives that say racist things. They just have selective ignorance.
You could say the same thing about people who are bigoted towards religion, or anything. I think people who make blanketed statements, while not stupid, are a lot of times misinformed or can't understand that a small minority of anything doesn't represent what an entire population is like. Saying "all illegal immigrants are thugs" just because a small minority commits crime, "all atheists are arrogant," and "all Christians are stupid" are all blanketed statements; none of them makes the sayer appear more intelligent than the next, and any generalization given to a large majority of people ever makes the person making the bigoted remark ever look intelligent.
That is true. I hope you didn't take that as an attack on religion, it wasn't. It is just that as humans, we tend to go for the simple solutions ..... why am I here? A god must have made me. Why can't I get a job? Immigrants took them all? My point is that it is fairly normal reactive behaviour for all humans and varies from person to person and though I believe intelligence has a lot to do with the degrees, education itself is more important - what you have been taught.
I just went through the thread and, you're right, the first quote was brought up in the thread. Not the second quote. Or my opinion at the end of my post.
So it's not ok to make sweeping generalizations about somebody due to race (something I agree with) but it is ok to make assumptions about somebody's intelligence due to their political stance? That's about as ignorant and hypocritical as it gets. Drop the double standard bullshit please. And before you ask, I'm not conservative. It sounds cheesy but tolerance of other people should be universal across race, religion, politics, ect. Not just one or the other.
I just went through the thread and, you're right, the first quote was brought up in the thread. Not the second quote. Or my opinion at the end of my post.
As suspected, low intelligence in childhood corresponded with racism in adulthood. But the factor that explained the relationship between these two variables was political: When researchers included social conservatism in the analysis, those ideologies accounted for much of the link between brains and bias.
No kidding?
I don't think the racist undertones to some of the right-wing rants of the last few years are any secret. When someone says "I don't like Obama because he's not your typical president", we all know exactly what they mean. But it's not their fault; some people are just born stupid. Unfortunately, natural selection just isn't what it used to be.
From the article
Hodson was quick to note that the despite the link found between low intelligence andsocial conservatism, the researchers aren't implying that all liberals are brilliant and all conservatives stupid. The research is a study of averages over large groups, he said. "There are multiple examples of very bright conservatives and not-so-bright liberals, and many examples of very principled conservatives and very intolerant liberals," Hodson said. Nosek gave another example to illustrate the dangers of taking the findings too literally. "We can say definitively men are taller than women on average," he said. "But you can't say if you take a random man and you take a random woman that the man is going to be taller. There's plenty of overlap."
That's pretty much the body of your post. Followed by my response: I don't think anyone took this to mean all liberals are bright and all conservatives are stupid.
Which is a succinct way of saying "It's more complicated than that", which is pretty much your response though obviously not verbatim.
Conversation flows; I don't like being dragged back to something we went over a few pages ago just because someone felt the need to respond to one post without reading the thread. Your last two sentences are fine, but I'm not going to reply to those two points without replying to the entire post, and I'm not going to do that because I've already been over those points and we've since moved on.
Racism is dumb no matter what your political ideology. And if this is a veiled attempt at calling people racist for not liking Obama ... the race card is so, so old. The man got elected PotUS so his race obviously isn't much of a factor, is it? Legitimate racism and bigotry are real problems though, perpetuated by pathetic people.
I only made the Obama statement because it was something relevant that we've all heard before. Please don't take a small part of my post out of context, and you're not the only one here to have done so.
The article is about racism and how it relates to some conservative mindsets and their political views. How hard is it to understand that something current and relevant be used as an example?
See, that's the beauty of an if-then statement. If that was the aim, then the rest is my opinion on that. However, I outlined the opinion that I hold that stands completely independently of the whole Obama example. Racism is dumb. Bigotry is dumb. Hypocrisy is dumb. Partisanship has become downright disgusting and is the main reason why I refuse to identify with any particular group.
So it's not ok to make sweeping generalizations about somebody due to race (something I agree with) but it is ok to make assumptions about somebody's intelligence due to their political stance? That's about as ignorant and hypocritical as it gets. Drop the double standard bullshit please. And before you ask, I'm not conservative. It sounds cheesy but tolerance of other people should be universal across race, religion, politics, ect. Not just one or the other.
I figured from the title people would understand that I'm not taking this too seriously. I guess I underestimated the desire of people to bitch.
@Trilogy: You either mis-read or didn't read. The article isn't stating that all conservatives are racist but that racists usually lean conservative. The order those words are put in the sentence make all the difference.
So it's not ok to make sweeping generalizations about somebody due to race (something I agree with) but it is ok to make assumptions about somebody's intelligence due to their political stance? That's about as ignorant and hypocritical as it gets. Drop the double standard bullshit please. And before you ask, I'm not conservative. It sounds cheesy but tolerance of other people should be universal across race, religion, politics, ect. Not just one or the other.
I figured from the title people would understand that I'm not taking this too seriously. I guess I underestimated the desire of people to bitch.
So you made a internet thread about politics and racism and thought nobody would have a problem with it? Come on man.
That's adorable. There's also other people who view this thread who can comment who, like me, probably didn't read every comment before they posted. There's also been a lot of overlap in the comments in this thread where people repeated what was said previously but in a different way. Yet my post was the one that really set you off? Rather then getting confrontational, you could just comment on the bits of my post that were new to you. Or not commented at all and saved both you and I a lot of trouble.
@Trilogy: You either mis-read or didn't read. The article isn't stating that all conservatives are racist but that racists usually lean conservative. The order those words are put in the sentence make all the difference.
What if somebody wrote an article that said that not all African Americans are criminals but crimals usually lean toward being African American? Regardless of the validity of said imaginary article, people would have a serious problem with it. They have every right to if said imaginary article was total bullshit propaganda. It's not really the point either way. The point is that double standards annoy the hell out of me and I wish people would strive to be more aware of those situations.
Also, if you were to tell me that racists tend to have lower IQ's I would probably agree with you because ignorance and stupidity go hand in hand. It's the political part that kind of stinks of propaganda to me.
yeah kinda, sorry; racial stereotypes are harmful even if you're just joking around
God little social limp-wristed-wimps like you are what is wrong with the world today. If you cant take a F-ing joke get off this god damn rock. Your taking this "life" this way to seriously. Just relax, not like your getting out of it alive. Just because black people like watermelon and chicken, me saying that shouldn't offend people, who the fuck doesn't like that combo?! Racial stereotypes is a fun way for humans to celebrate our differences, Black people calling themselves anything related to the word nigger is harmful, Mexicans calling themselves beaners is harmful, White people calling themselves crackers, is normally used to make a point, which is how stupid people look while they do that, no matter the race. Jokes aren't harmful, ignorance is.
After seeing a few of the topics the OP has started, I'm gonna say he pretty much hates republicans and conservatives -- people who don't think the same way he does. Does anyone know how is that any less bigoted than hating someone who looks different than you do? This hypocritical bullshit is so annoying.
People seem to forget that Obama is half white and related to both Dick Cheney and George Bush.
Oh but he looks black... kind of. Forget that his mom is white. He's a black dude!/sarcasm.
It's like the opposite of those laws that say " a child's race depends on the mothers race"from the 1800's.
Honestly why does it matter? I know this is a bit naive and not true of every case but when people say they don't like Obama, they probably don't agree with him on the issues, not because he is "black." But maybe I just like to think people have eased up after 50 years.
I hate it when people use racism as an argument against someone that says they don't like Obama. My political science teacher did that last semester.
And exactly how did you get that? Giving an example relative to the article is not an umbrella statement. Reading comprehension should come around 4th or 5th grade, you know.
How did I get what? I just made a statement, I didn't mention the OP once in it.
"This guy did some tests and will now tell you what you are and what you believe. The report has been endorsed by this guy. Full story to follow at eleven."
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