religion and atheism are wrong.the answer is gnostiscm

"First Agnostic person I've seen on here... Since it's pretty you're either Christian or you're Atheist here, I'm pretty sure you've pissed everybody off. =P"

There are no fucking wrong Religions, they're all right to different people.
People who say athiests are wrong.. they are wrong, same with people who say Religious people are wrong.

I Choose to believe in fuck all as far as religions go.

"There are no fucking wrong Religions, they're all right to different people.People who say athiests are wrong.. they are wrong, same with people who say Religious people are wrong.I Choose to believe in fuck all as far as religions go."

I'm tired of the religion/atheism debate. It's the same old crap every time.

I am also tried, I need a energy drink.

Damnit why didn't I spot this thread before.


This thread is massive fail on account of Gnosticism being a religion.

I have to have the last post *Bites adam_grif*

"diz said:

"Not true - and shows how little you know outside your own Christian comfort zone. Buddhism is about neither self-fulfilment or self sacrifice.

Islam believes that only Allah can save you - snap. Pride is also a "disease" in Islam. Why is not Islam as credible as Christianity?

Why not only Allah can save you, rather than the Christian God? What makes you so sure, apart from your upbringing?

Here is a good quote "They do not feel that is was even necessary for Jesus to pay for our sins. The belief that they hold is that every man must bear and pay for his or her own sins; for Jesus to be punished and responsible for our sins would be unjust in their eyes. Christians believe that man had no ability to atone for his sins. Christians believe that we are hopelessly lost except for the immeasurable gift of God's grace, which is the only means of salvation. "For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith -- and this not from yourselves, it is the gift of God" (Ephesians 2:8). "   Have I studied the ins and outs of all religions vs my religions no(I do not have that much time). In all my comparing it is all about bearing your own sins, which as humans is impossible. As for the Buddha thing, I will pull out another quote "Buddhism teaches that beings experience an endless cycle of death and rebirth. If a person doesn't attain goals in her lifetime, she will live again."  The words about the person attaining goals is what I said up there self fulfillment and that is not in the Christen religion  No juice will not rule the word (It may try but).  100th post             "

What the hell is going on here.

War*Smirks with Evil grin*

(Note: I have not replied to diz comment on purpose because I am lazy and do not have the time at this moment)

Perhaps I could do you a few quotes from the bible, Gmanall, about laziness being a Christian sin.

Sorry all I did sin by not writing to you on this forum.

But there is only so much I can do, the rest is in the Lords hands to change your heart.

"God is just a defining word of the world's creation, something way beyond human comprehension...God ain't good, god ain't evil.Suffering is a choice, not an infliction. Pain is the worlds first educator, you're suppose to learn from it, whether physical or emotional. Suffering is what one feels when they choose to dwell on pain ( or fear the existence of it) rather then learn from it.Civilization's built around it's fear of pain and suffering, to the point where it's built a cage around itself. Some are comfortable in it's cage, others are not, and this can cause suffering it it's own society.Our evolution, or spontaneous genesis from two nekkid folk'n'an apple, gave us a self consciousness, civilization wrote the standards that have evolved unconscously in our minds. As we look at the world, mindfull of our social standards, and compare it with our own life we may see "suffering" but that's only how you choose to feel. In the end, it's humanity that inspires social suffering, not god. The idea that god is toying with us to watch us suffer, or even that god's trying to inspire us to "see the light", are both bunk ta me. Humanity's choice to give god that kind of human consciousness is just human vanity if you ask me."

Or you think it is

Here is my standpoint for future refrence:

I believe in the possibility of a god existing, but I do not place my faith in something I do not certainly know is there without any substantial evidence. It just does not fly that way with me.

But I think it may be possible, but I do not have any faith in any gods. Until I know for sure, I do not think there is a god.

That is were a lot of people stand and that is understandable, Tomas doubted till he saw Jesus hands and feet. Only the Lord can charge your views not me. 

"That is were a lot of people stand and that is understandable, Tomas doubted till he saw Jesus hands and feet. Only the Lord can charge your views not me.  "

"Or you think it is"

"Yup I'm an atheist as well. But I never said that their is no God, only that I can't believe in one due to a lack of plausible evidence. There is nothing wrong with this. I live life by the gospel of "I don't know". "

that's why its called a leap of faith...there is no way to scientifically prove or disprove anything pertaining to god.  I believe there is a god but i can also understand why people wouldn't believe.

bottom line god is evil and the divine god will free their believers by destroying this evil universe.

"Gmanall said:

"Or you think it is"

Same to you buddy.  You are very arrogant.  And the best part about your arrogance is that you can't see it so you sit on this thread believing in your rightness trying to prove or disprove something that can never be proved.  Zealots...gotta love 'em!"

Ok I know I'm probably a little late, and this has been said before, but the Bible clearly explains why their is evil. The world was created perfect. Humans were in a paradise, with unlimited food all around them, until a woman came into the world. God told Adam he could have anything except one tree. Then he disobeyed God because the woman got to his head. So God punished him, and made us have to start caring for ourselves and actually working.

I can't take a religion that believes in a talking snake seriously, to be honest. Like, people can be Christians. That's awesome for them, but don't go preaching your crazy religion to me, and saying Atheism is wrong. Because I seriously couldn't give a toss. MMK?

"cspiffo said:

"Gmanall said:

"Or you think it is"

Same to you buddy.  You are very arrogant.  And the best part about your arrogance is that you can't see it so you sit on this thread believing in your rightness trying to prove or disprove something that can never be proved.  Zealots...gotta love 'em!"

  Lets just put it this way, I have never heard a argument that disproves God, I am open to any one disproving it. Also if I can counter anyone's attempt to disprove it I do or will.    "

Fuck you guys for bumping this thread!

  Commando said:

"Ok I know I'm probably a little late, and this has been said before, but the Bible clearly explains why their is evil. The world was created perfect. Humans were in a paradise, with unlimited food all around them, until a woman came into the world. God told Adam he could have anything except one tree. Then he disobeyed God because the woman got to his head. So God punished him, and made us have to start caring for ourselves and actually working.

So I believe that this is the cause of evil. This is what gave us full free will.

"

"Hitchenson said:

"I can't take a religion that believes in a talking snake seriously, to be honest. Like, people can be Christians. That's awesome for them, but don't go preaching your crazy religion to me, and saying Atheism is wrong. Because I seriously couldn't give a toss. MMK?"

The Bible explains that too. Satan(Lucifer, The Beast), whatever you call him possessed the snake."

"Commando said:

"Hitchenson said:

"I can't take a religion that believes in a talking snake seriously, to be honest. Like, people can be Christians. That's awesome for them, but don't go preaching your crazy religion to me, and saying Atheism is wrong. Because I seriously couldn't give a toss. MMK?"

The Bible explains that too. Satan(Lucifer, The Beast), whatever you call him possessed the snake."

Possesed, huh?...Okay.I've always wanted an explanation of this. How did two people populate the Earth?I'm not trying mock Christianity AT ALL. I just hate people, of any religion. Who look down upon Atheism... thought I'd make that clear quickly."

"Hitchenson said:

I just hate people, of any religion. Who look down upon Atheism... thought I'd make that clear quickly."

The way I see it, it's 2009, we all know what Christianity is about, we all know what Atheism is about, we've all made our choice. We don't need hate based on race/religion/sexual orientation."

"No, no, no. I hate people who are all "You're an Atheist? Dude, that's so gay..." people can believe whatever they want to, be any sexuality they want to, be of any race. Means nothing to me."

"TooWalrus said:

"Hitchenson said:

I just hate people, of any religion. Who look down upon Atheism... thought I'd make that clear quickly."

The way I see it, it's 2009, we all know what Christianity is about, we all know what Atheism is about, we've all made our choice. We don't need hate based on race/religion/sexual orientation."

No, no, no. I hate people who are all "You're an Atheist? Dude, that's so gay..." people can believe whatever they want to, be any sexuality they want to, be of any race. Means nothing to me."

"Hitchenson said:

"Commando said:

"Hitchenson said:

"I can't take a religion that believes in a talking snake seriously, to be honest. Like, people can be Christians. That's awesome for them, but don't go preaching your crazy religion to me, and saying Atheism is wrong. Because I seriously couldn't give a toss. MMK?"

The Bible explains that too. Satan(Lucifer, The Beast), whatever you call him possessed the snake."

Possesed, huh?...Okay.I've always wanted an explanation of this. How did two people populate the Earth?I'm not trying mock Chritianity AT ALL. I just hate people, of any religion. Who look down upon Atheism... thought I'd make that clear quickly."

I'm not looking down on you. I haven't insulted yall, I understand why yall have doubts. There is no proof except for a book started thousands of years ago.

To answer your question: God created the universe in 7 days remember? During all this he made Adam, then Adam was lonely so he took one of Adam's ribs and created Eve. This is why about half the humans on earth have one less rib than others. Adam lived to be 930 years old, and he and Eve had children, then they had children.. etc...

I just choose to believe because I feel like we have to be here for a reason. We can't just be here by accident.

"

"Commando said:

"Hitchenson said:

"Commando said:

"Hitchenson said:

"I can't take a religion that believes in a talking snake seriously, to be honest. Like, people can be Christians. That's awesome for them, but don't go preaching your crazy religion to me, and saying Atheism is wrong. Because I seriously couldn't give a toss. MMK?"

The Bible explains that too. Satan(Lucifer, The Beast), whatever you call him possessed the snake."

Possesed, huh?...Okay.I've always wanted an explanation of this. How did two people populate the Earth?I'm not trying mock Chritianity AT ALL. I just hate people, of any religion. Who look down upon Atheism... thought I'd make that clear quickly."

I'm not looking down on you. I haven't insulted yall, I understand why yall have doubts. There is no proof except for a book started thousands of years ago.

To answer your question: God created the universe in 7 days remember? During all this he made Adam, then Adam was lonely so he took one of Adam's ribs and created Eve. This is why about half the humans on earth have one less rib than others. Adam lived to be 930 years old, and he and Eve had children, then they had children.. etc...

I just choose to believe because I feel like we have to be here for a reason. We can't just be here by accident.

"

Oh no, I wasn't saying YOU looked down upon me. I just thought I'd say that incase people got the wrong idea of what I was saying.Also, ah. That explains that, I was always curious of the Christian belief of how the Earth got populated. But... don't take this the wrong way. Wouldn't that make everyone incest?Cheers for explaining, dude."

God made Adam then made him a helper, put 2 in a calculator then press the power of two button over and over.  As a human I don't look down at you and from a religious point of view I think that you should become a Christen but I cant say that I am better then you.      "

"Gmanall said:

God made Adam then made him a helper, put 2 in a calculator then press the power of two button over and over.  As a human I don't look down at you and from a religious point of view I think that you should become a Christen but I cant say that I am better then you.      "

How do you explain the various races of people on Earth as being derived from Adam and his little helper? (you may  exclude the flood story, where everyone died except Noah and his family.)As a Christian, don't you feel superior in that you will be saved ehen you die and us infidels won't? Don't you think that the religious life you live is more righteous than our faithless lives? If not, why follow it?"

"Gmanall said:

"Hitchenson said:

"
Oh no, I wasn't saying YOU looked down upon me. I just thought I'd say that incase people got the wrong idea of what I was saying.Also, ah. That explains that, I was always curious of the Christian belief of how the Earth got populated. But... don't take this the wrong way. Wouldn't that make everyone incest?Cheers for explaining, dude."

Yes, we are all in one big family *Sigh Looks at Hitler*  "

I guess, but it's like your 133rd cousin, you know? They say anything past first cousin isn't considered incest right? Well back then I guess they had a lot of incest.

This part get me confused though. About why there are races. I'm not as familiar with the Old Testament as I am with the New Testament. It was something about, God told them to spread across the earth, but they all stayed in one general area, so he got mad and punished them, creating different languages and skin color so they would be forced to settle in different places. This is why whites were in one area, blacks were in one area, asians were in one area, etc. The Bible explains just about everything, but science also has an explanation. So people need to pick what they're gonna listen to.

"

"I guess, but it's like your 133rd cousin, you know? They say anything past first cousin isn't considered incest right? Well back then I guess they had a lot of incest.

This part get me confused though. About why there are races. I'm not as familiar with the Old Testament as I am with the New Testament. It was something about, God told them to spread across the earth, but they all stayed in one general area, so he got mad and punished them, creating different languages and skin color so they would be forced to settle in different places. This is why whites were in one area, blacks were in one area, asians were in one area, etc. The Bible explains just about everything, but science also has an explanation. So people need to pick what they're gonna listen to."

"Commando said:

"I guess, but it's like your 133rd cousin, you know? They say anything past first cousin isn't considered incest right? Well back then I guess they had a lot of incest.

This part get me confused though. About why there are races. I'm not as familiar with the Old Testament as I am with the New Testament. It was something about, God told them to spread across the earth, but they all stayed in one general area, so he got mad and punished them, creating different languages and skin color so they would be forced to settle in different places. This is why whites were in one area, blacks were in one area, asians were in one area, etc. The Bible explains just about everything, but science also has an explanation. So people need to pick what they're gonna listen to."

Ahhh, the New Testament, what flip from the Old Testament. Honestly, as a piece of religious literature, stick to the New Testament, it's quite the read I must admit."

diz, I don't feel bad for yall, or feel superior. It's your choice. We've all had our doubts. I just feel like we're here for a reason. We can't have life and free will by accident, someone had to give it to us. How could life be created from a compressed ball of gases and metals?

"Gmanall said:

"Hitchenson said:

"
Oh no, I wasn't saying YOU looked down upon me. I just thought I'd say that incase people got the wrong idea of what I was saying.Also, ah. That explains that, I was always curious of the Christian belief of how the Earth got populated. But... don't take this the wrong way. Wouldn't that make everyone incest?Cheers for explaining, dude."

Yes, we are all in one big family *Sigh Looks at Hitler*  "

I guess, but it's like your 133rd cousin, you know? They say anything past first cousin isn't considered incest right? Well back then I guess they had a lot of incest.

This part get me confused though. About why there are races. I'm not as familiar with the Old Testament as I am with the New Testament. It was something about, God told them to spread across the earth, but they all stayed in one general area, so he got mad and punished them, creating different languages and skin color so they would be forced to settle in different places. This is why whites were in one area, blacks were in one area, asians were in one area, etc. The Bible explains just about everything, but science also has an explanation. So people need to pick what they're gonna listen to.

"

"diz, I don't feel bad for yall, or feel superior. It's your choice. We've all had our doubts. I just feel like we're here for a reason. We can't have life and free will by accident, someone had to give it to us. How could life be created from a compressed ball of gases and metals?"

I find most major religions hilarious, with Christianity topping that list off. I just find them so ridiculously selective with what they choose to acknowledge I can't help but laugh.

"The old testament is the set up for the new testament climax.  You can not have the new without the old.   "

"I find most major religions hilarious, with Christianity topping that list off. I just find them so ridiculously selective with what they choose to acknowledge I can't help but laugh."