@truthtellah said:
Though, I might add, this is perhaps one of the worst places to discuss this, as Giant Bomb is hardly a very diverse or even-handed community. heh. I like the people around here, but if you're expecting reasonable analysis of modern Republicanism from fellow duders, I think you will most-likely be greatly mistaken. I'm not quite sure what you're expecting from this, but besides a few alright comments that may pop up by chance, I imagine most will just be dismissive or insulting. So, if you just want to have a circle-jerk of griping about Republicans, I think you'll probably succeed, but if you want some real analysis, you may be a bit hard-pressed to find it. Not that it'd necessarily be easy to find elsewhere of course.
Still, hey, one can dream. So, I fully support you throwing caution to the wind and shooting for the stars!
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/04/18/immigration-bill-opposition_n_3109770.html
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2013/04/18/rubio-defends-immigration-bill-ahead-hearing-critics-cite-enforcement-concerns/
I am referring to those two articles when I said that minority outreach was already ending. I've seen several people defend Conservative values in other topics so I'm curious to see what they think about this issue. It's obvious that it's going to pass sooner or later. The question is when and if the Republicans are going to play ball or if they're going to be dragged kicking and screaming.
I figured that's what you might be referring to, thus my mention of establishment Republicans' fears regarding whether any action would simply hurt their chances in the future. Though, I think it's a pretty narrow view to regard one specific immigration bill as representative of the entire Party's interests in reaching out to minorities. It's about a lot more than just whether they specifically like this one bill.
It does though speak to the concern I raised. There's a bit of a defeatist attitude to some of these powerful Republicans, as they don't even want to touch immigration reform because they think it won't help them. They believe that any compromise would simply be seen as a victory by President Obama, and in a way, they are correct. Most-likely, people in the media and many around the nation would consider it primarily as a victory for the Democrats. Fortunately, some Republicans like Rubio have seen that such a fact shouldn't be at the forefront of deciding whether to support legislation like this. He sees that it's the right thing to do, and as long as -nothing- is done, Democrats are simply the de facto winners on the issue.
While any eventual legislation would be seen as a Democratic victory, it would also damage a big barrier that Republicans have willfully allowed Democrats to build for decades now. A lot of the US immigrant population has conservative ties, but due to this perceived opposition from Republicans, there's little that can be done. And that Republican opposition reached new heights ever since Federal agencies failed them following the efforts on behalf of immigrants from President Reagan(Republicans supported mass amnesty for undocumented immigrants in exchange for dedications to improve border security and enforcement that never materialized). This has led to a paranoia amongst many Washington Republicans that unless there is concrete, absolute action on security and enforcement, they are afraid that they'll just have this same issue pop up again in another ten years. At the moment, though, they have to recognize the writing on the wall and work seriously to get immigration reform. It's something that has stalled for far too long, and even if they lose to some extent, it will at least stop the bleeding. And, practically, it would help many people. The current bill in Congress is rather moderate I'd say, and I think it should be the minimum of what is done. If these power players are smart, they'll realize that younger Republicans, the future of the Party, are much more in favor of immigration reform, and if they don't accept something like this now, they're going to find an even more left-leaning bill in two years.
If this bill dies, though, I don't believe their minority outreach would end. It would certainly hurt it, but they're still going to be making an effort in that direction. The "Southern Strategy" isn't realistic anymore, and of Republicans I know, the idea of it is simply outdated and repugnant. While I know some Party heavy hitters have believed such tripe, I haven't seen such a belief amongst many everyday people. Especially not ones under the age of 60. The future is elsewhere, and there is no sliding back to that. The Party is just in an odd transition period where establishment Republicans want to both use local conservatives while keeping them down in their place. They can be radical, only as long as they're not too radically different from the Party line. And while that shift is happening in States and local races, Congress is still steadfastly held by people who seem to long for a bygone era thirty years in our past. And sooner or later, they'll have to see that the Party can't just focus on returning to something in the past when Republicanism should be driven by an individual's desire to pick oneself up and make something with the reality in front of them. They have to think about what the government can be, not just what it was.
Maybe things are bad with minorities now, but they want to have a free society that they can succeed in just as much as anyone else. And the unalienable rights at the heart of what the government should protect belong to all people; they are specifically established to defend any minority from the whims of a majority that might act against them. And if Republican leaders can stop stumbling over themselves long enough to remember what the Party is supposed to be about, they can be a real part of America's continued growth as a nation.
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