"THANK YOU! I thought I was going to have to pull out some actual "facts". And we all hate those. It seems like many news sources are biased on Georgia's side.You need to get your facts straight about whats happening before you make threads like this.
South Ossetia is a former part of the Republic of Georgia, the province won de facto independence in a war against Georgia that ended in 1992. Russian troops went in as peacekeepers after the fighting stopped.
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The government of South Ossetia wants to reuntite with North Ossetia, which is a provence of Russia. Georgia want to take back control of South Ossetia for economic and resourse reasons.
Georgian President Mikhail Saakashvili made it clear that doesn't recogonize the goverment of South Ossetia, and has been saying that he intends to take control of the territory.
Georgia attacked South Ossetia. The leader of South Ossetia's government, Eduard Kokoity, said about 1,400 people were killed in the onslaught.
Russia sent troops, and aircraft to the defence of South Ossetia, and were engaged by Georgian forces. After that full scale fighting between Georgia and Russia has been happening.
Clearly Georgia is the aggessor here. Saying Russia attacks Georgia is misleading, and dangerous.
Russia Attacks Georgia (link inside)
i was a soldier once, wasn't fun. Hope that casualties can be kept down for both sides. We really gotta get politicians to duke it out in gunfights rather than throwing the entire army at each other.
^The view from Russian side. Georgian forces are retreating back to Tbilisi to protect the capital. I just hope that NATO, EU or/and USA do something about this. If not, then they will just show to the whole world that their friendship aren't worth shit. Btw, any "support Georgia" stuff going around in the states? We here had a some kind of a walk in our capital. More than 1000 people walked by some embassies (German, Franch, Russian and Georgian).
Wow that sucks. My friend on PSN lives in Georgia, really, really need to get in contact with him. :(
"^The view from Russian side. Georgian forces are retreating back to Tbilisi to protect the capital. I just hope that NATO, EU or/and USA do something about this. If not, then they will just show to the whole world that their friendship aren't worth shit. Btw, any "support Georgia" stuff going around in the states? We here had a some kind of a walk in our capital. More than 1000 people walked by some embassies (German, Franch, Russian and Georgian)."
I'd have alot more sympathy for them if they had not started the whole thing.
"Hell_Dude said:You mean, like trying to bring order in their territory?"^The view from Russian side. Georgian forces are retreating back to Tbilisi to protect the capital. I just hope that NATO, EU or/and USA do something about this. If not, then they will just show to the whole world that their friendship aren't worth shit. Btw, any "support Georgia" stuff going around in the states? We here had a some kind of a walk in our capital. More than 1000 people walked by some embassies (German, Franch, Russian and Georgian)."
I'd have alot more sympathy for them if they had not started the whole thing."
"Evilross said:"Hell_Dude said:You mean, like trying to bring order in their territory?""^The view from Russian side. Georgian forces are retreating back to Tbilisi to protect the capital. I just hope that NATO, EU or/and USA do something about this. If not, then they will just show to the whole world that their friendship aren't worth shit. Btw, any "support Georgia" stuff going around in the states? We here had a some kind of a walk in our capital. More than 1000 people walked by some embassies (German, Franch, Russian and Georgian)."
I'd have alot more sympathy for them if they had not started the whole thing."
No, I mean, like, launching a full scale invasion of an independent state that has no wish to be a part of the Republic of Georgia.
Here is a quick recap of the events.
"South Ossetia is a former part of the Republic of Georgia, the province won de facto independence in a war against Georgia that ended in 1992. Russian troops went in as peacekeepers after the fighting stopped.
The government of South Ossetia wants to reuntite with North Ossetia, which is a provence of Russia. Georgia want to take back control of South Ossetia for economic and resourse reasons.
Georgian President Mikhail Saakashvili made it clear that doesn't recogonize the goverment of South Ossetia, and has been saying that he intends to take control of the territory.
Georgia attacked South Ossetia. The leader of South Ossetia's government, Eduard Kokoity, said about 1,400 people were killed in the onslaught.
Russia sent troops, and aircraft to the defence of South Ossetia, and were engaged by Georgian forces. After that full scale fighting between Georgia and Russia has been happening."
Its all about money, oil, and Georgia trying to bully South Ossetia. They made a major miscalculation thinking Russia would not come to their aid in face of a full scale invasion.
"Georgian tanks and infantry, aided by Israeli military advisers, captured the capital of breakaway South Ossetia, Tskhinvali, early Friday, Aug. 8, bringing the Georgian-Russian conflict over the province to a military climax."
Jerusalem owns a strong interest in Caspian oil and gas pipelines reach the Turkish terminal port of Ceyhan, rather than the Russian network. Intense negotiations are afoot between Israel Turkey, Georgia, Turkmenistan and Azarbaijan for pipelines to reach Turkey and thence to Israel's oil terminal at Ashkelon and on to its Red Sea port of Eilat. From there, supertankers can carry the gas and oil to the Far East through the Indian Ocean.
Aware of Moscow's sensitivity on the oil question, Israel offered Russia a stake in the project but was rejected.
Last year, the Georgian president commissioned from private Israeli security firms several hundred military advisers, estimated at up to 1,000, to train the Georgian armed forces in commando, air, sea, armored and artillery combat tactics. They also offer instruction on military intelligence and security for the central regime. Tbilisi also purchased weapons, intelligence and electronic warfare systems from Israel."
Your bias is plain to see, but please try to be factual when you rant about real world events. Georgia is the aggessor, Georgia started the conflict, Georgia underestimated the responce from Russia, now Georgia wants to bemoan the US, NATO, and the EU that they are the victims of "Russian Aggression".
Like I clearly stated before, You reap what you sow, and this is all Georgia's leaderships fault to begin with. It was a choice they made out of greed, and thinking they had the oppertunity to do it without facing any repercussions. The Georgian people wanted this to happen, thats why they voted Mikhial Saakashvili into office as president.
I have no sympathy for them.
"Sure, blame it on the jews...."
Sure, ignore all facts of the situation, and use tired, last century, deferred blaim tactics on anyone who would dare site Israel as anything but the shining light of democracy in the middle east.
Israel is not at fault, Georgia is. They started the conflict. Israel was involved, and a take over of South Ossetia is in their intrest.
I highly doubt the actual Israeli government had any say so, or much less supported the action Georgia took agaist South Ossetia. Its not in their intrest to start a war, its in their intrest to be able to win one.
Georgia made a bad miscalculation in its timing, and how much support it would get from its "freinds" in a war to take South Ossetia.
This war is over. The UN, NATO, the US, and Israel are not going to intervine. They don't want Georgia being absorbed into Russia, but at this point what option do you have.
Georgia made its own bed. They have to lay in it.
You'd be surpised how many people would take "blame it on the jews" and run with it.
I stated the facts of the matter, and people will have to take it at face value.
Twisting motives, facts, and reasons for state actions is what politicians are for. Some states are better then others at the art of propaganda.
I'm just here to let other Giantbombers know the facts of whats going on. I've seen too many people in this tread (that I know is full of young people) be mislead by false statments, incorrect facts, and misleading information.
Again, sorry if the title was misleading, but thanks for posting the facts just in case people here were too lazy to read them on their own.
This is where the Propaganda starts by the media. This is mainly the US and Israels fault, the US for pushing Georgia into this move (being a close ally) and Israel for selling weapons and providing training for Georgian military forces. This attack was planned for a while, the US is just trying to push Russia into action. I really find 2 things interesting:
1. Georgia is the one crying and saying 'stop, get out of our country' when they're the ones who launched the first attack. The media is now making Russia look as if its the bad guy in this story.
2. They're calling Georgias current president "democraticaly elected", the news that is. How can he be democratically elected if he was put in place by the US government back during the Rose Revolution.
Seriously, the propaganda these days is just getting ridiculous, whats sad is that people who have no idea on the issue will just simply believe it.
You sir, sound like you have had too much of NRT. South Ossatia is Georgian territory. Who did they attack? Themselves? No country in the world (even not Russia) has certify their independence. Only them. Things don't work that way, And South Ossetia's leaders want it to unite with North Ossetia which is a part of Russia. Btw, "Russia's president has ordered an end to military operations against Georgia, the official Russian news agency Interfax reported Tuesday".
The Georgians started it by trying to take back the South Ossetia province that had separated from them. Having said this the Russian response is completely over the top, bombing targets all over Georgia and now it appears they've moved into Georgia.
How can Russia still say they're protecting their citizens by invading Georgia? The parts of Georgia that have separated have nothing to do with Russia.
I think it's more a case of the Kremlin wants a different government in power in Georgia, one that's pro Russia not pro NATO.
"The Georgians started it by trying to take back the South Ossetia province that had separated from them. Having said this the Russian response is completely over the top, bombing targets all over Georgia and now it appears they've moved into Georgia.It's not over the top, Georgians refused the demands of the russians, it's a common tactic bombing tactical targets to hell forcing the other side to agree on your demands. And to clear things out, russia is protecting their own citiziens since there's a lot of people with russian citizenship living in South ossetia.
How can Russia still say they're protecting their citizens by invading Georgia? The parts of Georgia that have separated have nothing to do with Russia.
I think it's more a case of the Kremlin wants a different government in power in Georgia, one that's pro Russia not pro NATO."
Whilst the leadership of Georgia is not blameless in this, Russia is by far the most guilty party, and it fits in a long line of actions they have taken to destabise pro western former soviet states. The issue here is that the seperatist movement (funded, finacialy supported and trained by the Russian goverment, not to mention full of ex Russian military personel) attacked Georgian troops in south Osettia, along with Russian peacekeeps aiding the attack. Then Georgia responed. What their response was I'm not entirly sure. The Russian claim it blew over into a genocidal attack, but there is no clear evidence either way yet (at least I havn't seen any). Russia then mobalised over 1000 tanks and sent them into Georgia in 3 days. This was no unexpected response. Russia had clearly been waiting to invade for a long time and was looking for any excuse to do so. What happened next, the bombing of civilian targets and capturing some Georgian towns (temporarily) was completly disproportianate. t looks as if Russia is just playing bully, and testing western responses to see how much it can get away with.
"Yeah, it's a really messed up situation over there right now. But to say it's going to become a world war is a bit extreme."You have to understand that this kind of thing is literally a fetish for thousands of people. They get off (literally) on the idea of the end of teh world/apocalypse/worse case scenarios in general.
It could, theoretically, lead to world war. I mean, world war 1 was started by the assasination of one figurehead from a small country, right?
hair001 said:
"Whilst the leadership of Georgia is not blameless in this, Russia is by far the most guilty party, and it fits in a long line of actions they have taken to destabise pro western former soviet states. The issue here is that the seperatist movement (funded, finacialy supported and trained by the Russian goverment, not to mention full of ex Russian military personel) attacked Georgian troops in south Osettia, along with Russian peacekeeps aiding the attack. Then Georgia responed. What their response was I'm not entirly sure. The Russian claim it blew over into a genocidal attack, but there is no clear evidence either way yet (at least I havn't seen any). Russia then mobalised over 1000 tanks and sent them into Georgia in 3 days. This was no unexpected response. Russia had clearly been waiting to invade for a long time and was looking for any excuse to do so. What happened next, the bombing of civilian targets and capturing some Georgian towns (temporarily) was completly disproportianate. t looks as if Russia is just playing bully, and testing western responses to see how much it can get away with."
I'd say this goes a bit beyond playing bully......that would be better described as the time they cut Ukraine's power.
"You sir, sound like you have had too much of NRT. South Ossatia is Georgian territory. Who did they attack? Themselves? No country in the world (even not Russia) has certify their independence. Only them. Things don't work that way, And South Ossetia's leaders want it to unite with North Ossetia which is a part of Russia. Btw, "Russia's president has ordered an end to military operations against Georgia, the official Russian news agency Interfax reported Tuesday".Wow, Georgians attacked themselves? Smart people...
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The point im trying to make is that they're being pushed into action for a reason, oh and Putin was tipped off about this attack that's why the Russian army responded so fast.
This attack was just a disguise for the US/UK/French navy armada to invade Iran as we speak. Watch the news in the coming weeks.
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According to the Georgian President, he said they've been doing this for the past several decades. They would first state that Russia was "attacked" by the satellite country & this would be their reason to invade. They're basically following old communist style snatch and grab tactics.
They'll just run out of money again. Like they did during WWII and Afghanistan. They're so fucking stupid, all they can do is repeat fuckin' history over & over.
The great thing now is that we can stop pretending their fucking govt is a "Democracy". It has been complete & utter whore shit charades for the past 10 years. No different than looking the other way when Hitler moved into Poland. Nobody cared back then. However, we ALL KNOW again & again & again, that the invasion shit doesn't work! Had they a decent culture, you wouldn't have to invade! Somebody should plant Putin & his latest prole sidekick in front of GalCiv 2 & tell them to win by Influence only. Maybe then they'd have a fuckin' clue!
It looks like they'll get kicked out of G8 & I hope the West will cut them out of everything else. If they don't shut them out, then we're basically paying them to be bastards by using their oil & any other resources they have (do they have anything else? I doubt it). Buncha bastards. Plain & simple.
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