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#1 Posted by bassman2112 (820 posts) -

Link to the story is here

Personally, I think this is deplorable. Also, didn't we already have a similar trial like this with Microsoft v Apple many years ago? I seem to remember it being determined that you can't patent the look/feel of something, just the code... (I don't think it's directly mentioned in the article, but the issue is that the Nexus uses 'swipe to unlock.')

Regardless, as an Apple owner all I can say is that I have a really tough time supporting Apple on this and it has sullied the image of the whole company for me =/ Strong-arming competition rather than innovating is no way to make any customers feel good.

What are your guys' feelings on all of this?

#2 Edited by Doctorchimp (4069 posts) -

......I was just about to buy one....so I guess I'll buy an iPhone 4S?

Wait, what does the Woz want me to do?

#3 Posted by GunslingerPanda (4643 posts) -
Apple spokeswoman Kristin Huguet accused Samsung of copying the look and feel of its products.

lolwhut? Apple is such a disgusting company.

#4 Posted by Jack268 (3387 posts) -

LAND OF THE FREE

#5 Posted by Ramone (2960 posts) -

Apple are twats

#6 Posted by Liber (648 posts) -

Innovation !

#7 Posted by Oldirtybearon (4602 posts) -

oh hey, people are now just starting to realize what a shitty company Apple is.

I wonder if they'll realize how Orwellian their general philosophy is next.

#8 Posted by bio595 (307 posts) -

Isn't this how patents work any way?

Big company registers all the patents it can regardless of how retarded they are and then they are only ever overturned for being retarded if the patent owner complains about patent violation.

If the patent office were interested in doing any actual work (probably way off base I'm sure the patent office employees work very hard) we wouldn't have these overblown by the media trial thingies.

I'm sure that this is anti competitive in some way anyway.

#9 Posted by Funzzo (834 posts) -

Fuck Apple! I will never buy their over priced over rated products.

#10 Posted by ProfessorEss (7281 posts) -
@Oldirtybearon said:

oh hey, people are now just starting to realize what a shitty company Apple is.

I wonder if they'll realize how Orwellian their general philosophy is next.

Yeah it's kind of funny to think that this would be where people decide to draw the line.
#11 Posted by SuperTess (142 posts) -

I feel like I'm missing something really big because I do not get this ruling at all. Are they really...Siri-ous here? Okay sorry, had to get that out of the way. The voice search feature on the Nexus is so un-Siri compared to what is coming in Jelly Bean. And as far as look/feel, the only people I've ever had ask me if my Nexus was an iPhone were people who had no clue that there are smartphones other than the iPhone. Not cool Apple, not cool.

#12 Posted by Kidavenger (3511 posts) -

The galaxy nexus runs stock android, so the ban should affect all android phones, Apple is clearly targeting Samsung.

The slide to unlock on android is nothing like the iPhone so I have no idea what apple is getting at other than being dicks.

#13 Posted by jewunit (1054 posts) -

The mobile phone market is really tumultuous right now because of patent concerns. Companies are buying up other companies for the patents that they hold. The makers of the Blackberry, Research in Motion (RIM), were hobbled by patent infringement lawsuits and now other companies are looking to buy RIM's patents to steel themselves against other patent lawsuits. It is important to protect the ideas of an individual through a patent, but the purchasing of patents for protection from patent litigation has definitely gotten out of hand.

#14 Posted by Contrarian (1143 posts) -

That's business. If it were Samsung and Apple did it, then they would do exactly the same thing. I am not surprised by the Apple hate as it is just like the Nintendo hate - odd.

#15 Posted by Tim_the_Corsair (3065 posts) -

Apple are cunts, they've been doing this to Samsung all over the world.

#16 Posted by Demoskinos (14577 posts) -

"Copying the look and feel" -________________- Really?

#17 Posted by AiurFlux (901 posts) -

Completely relevant to the hypocrisy of Apple. Back then they were the little guy trying to make a name for themselves and fighting against the big bad demon known as Microsoft. Now they are the big bad demon, and arguably worse than Microsoft with how they tie everything off and restrict the fuck out of their software and even their overpriced shitty hardware. It's rather ironic really. I understand the point of patents but Apple takes it to an entirely different extreme where the slightest thing is patented by them and cannot ever be used by anyone else otherwise it's infringing and they sue, even if the patent in question has never seen the light of day.

Seeing what they've become is why I will never ever buy another product from that overrated, overpriced, and over-saturated piece of shit company. The last thing I bought is my iPod, and the last thing I'll buy is my iPod.

#18 Posted by JCTango (1358 posts) -

@Bassman2112: I'm surprised this is even possible in this day and age... I guess monopolies still exist, but you'd think a company that brands itself as being one of the lead innovators in the field would welcome competition to push themselves further.

#19 Posted by banishedsoul1 (294 posts) -

my friend just got one in canada its a sweet phone. just order one from canada on ebay and you will be fine.

#20 Posted by Kidavenger (3511 posts) -

@AiurFlux said:

Completely relevant to the hypocrisy of Apple. Back then they were the little guy trying to make a name for themselves and fighting against the big bad demon known as Microsoft. Now they are the big bad demon, and arguably worse than Microsoft with how they tie everything off and restrict the fuck out of their software and even their overpriced shitty hardware. It's rather ironic really. I understand the point of patents but Apple takes it to an entirely different extreme where the slightest thing is patented by them and cannot ever be used by anyone else otherwise it's infringing and they sue, even if the patent in question has never seen the light of day.

Seeing what they've become is why I will never ever buy another product from that overrated, overpriced, and over-saturated piece of shit company. The last thing I bought is my iPod, and the last thing I'll buy is my iPod.

Apple was alot bigger than Microsoft back then, Microsoft was just doing word/excel and they were a distant second to Wordperfect even in that. IBM was the big bad guy they were rebelling against in that commercial...

#21 Edited by mandude (2669 posts) -

The best service is the only service. Good game, Apple.

#22 Posted by Cameron (595 posts) -

So you guys realize this is just what big companies do in the tech industry, right? Samsung sues Asus, who sues RIM, who sues Apple, who sues... it's endless. The only difference here is that a judge actually approved a ban, which doesn't happen all that often. This isn't Apple being particularly evil, it's just how the business works.

#23 Posted by crusader8463 (14415 posts) -

I remember them doing the same thing with some HTC phone not to long ago too.

#24 Edited by PrivateIronTFU (3874 posts) -

This is what companies do, you morons. Apple is no different from any other company.

Do you know how many times Microsoft has sued other companies for 'infringing' on their 'patents'? Many, many times. Just because people love to hate Apple does not make them evil, it just makes those people lonely virgins.

#25 Edited by mandude (2669 posts) -

@Cameron: @PrivateIronTFU: It doesn't make it any less shitty just because everyone is doing it. I would be disturbed if people the world over just sat back and accepted terrible things as simply a part of life. Sure, nothing is done about it now, but at least people are vocalising their concerns that things like this shouldn't be allowed to happen, and after all, acknowledgement is always going to be the first step towards improvement, whether it is now or a hundred years from now.

@PrivateIronTFU said:

Do you know how many times Microsoft has sued other companies for 'infringing' on their 'patents'? Many, many times. Just because people love to hate Apple does not make them evil, it just makes those people lonely virgins.

Do you know how many people hate Microsoft? I would say that the main difference is that Microsoft hatred has been normalised. We all know they do shitty things, and the need to express concern for those shitty things are mostly implicit at this stage.

#26 Posted by Stonyman65 (2604 posts) -

@GunslingerPanda said:

Apple spokeswoman Kristin Huguet accused Samsung of copying the look and feel of its products.

lolwhut? Apple is such a disgusting company.

Yup. That's why I hate Apple. Not because they overcharge for everything, not because they steal ideas and then market them as "new" years later, not because they say theirs is "the best" and everything else sucks...

It's because they have shitty business practices. They don't like competition, so they will sue and do everything they can to be on top, and that isn't cool.

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#28 Posted by shinboy630 (1133 posts) -

@Bassman2112 said:

What are your guys' feelings on all of this?

"UGH!" Those are my feelings on this. And people wonder why I do not buy Apple products.

#29 Posted by Djstyles92 (952 posts) -

Another reason why I will never EVER buy an iphone or any other apple product. It's sickening that they could ever get away with bullshit like this.

#30 Posted by Guided_By_Tigers (8061 posts) -

My brother has that phone.

#31 Posted by Zella (705 posts) -

Wow that sucks for americans, it's an awesome phone. Also it's one of the launch devices for Android 4.1 Jellybean so let's hope it gets resolved soon. Live in Canada and got mine a few months ago, but feel for those in the US.

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#32 Posted by cmblasko (1133 posts) -

I agree that it is unfortunate, but Apple does have to protect itself; if they are too lenient with defending their right to their designed it could come back to bite them in the future.

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#33 Posted by Cameron (595 posts) -

@mandude: You're absolutely right. That's why I said it doesn't make Apple particularly evil, they're just as evil as everyone else. I just thought too many people were shitting on Apple for no good reason since all of their competitors do exactly the same thing. There may be legitimate reasons to hate Apple specifically, but this isn't one of them. If this is a bad business practice, then it's bad when anyone does it. You can't use this as a reason to hate Apple and then turn around and buy a Samsung phone, because Samsung does exactly the thing you hate Apple for doing. To be clear, I don't mean you specifically when I say 'you', I don't think you made any such claim, but it appeared in the thread and I wanted to address it.

#34 Posted by Contrarian (1143 posts) -

Why the fuss? Cadbury 'own' the colour purple (not the movie). You can't make a competitive product in the colour purple (where I live). Copying the look of your competitor shouldn't be allowed, it makes sense. Replicate this in anything popular out there and see what would happen. Samsung should just be origial and they wouldn't have an issue.

#35 Posted by Ace829 (2083 posts) -

I am hoping the Galaxy S III stays untouched in these lawsuits because I'm due for my upgrade in two days. I love my OG EVO, but I can't wait to feel a new phone in my hands. Especially one that won't die after 4 hours.

#36 Posted by TheHumanDove (2523 posts) -

We need more FREEDOM. America, get on it

#37 Posted by sungahymn (987 posts) -

Of the Apple, by the Apple, for the Apple...?

#38 Posted by nintendoeats (5975 posts) -

Yes yes yes, thankyou everybody. I'm feeling slightly less of my usual "why does everybody love Apple so much when Apple so clearly just wants their money and unswerving loyalty" depression now.

#39 Edited by Sooty (8082 posts) -

Software patents are the biggest joke in technology, one of the patents the Galaxy Nexus violates is something to do with search functionality.

Yes, that's right, Google are apparently infringing on a search patent. Google.

What makes this really funny is that Apple themselves completely ripped off a few features from Android in iOS 5. Most notably the notification system.

Still love my iPad, Android phone, PC and my Mac though regardless of any nitpicky lawsuits Apple, Google or Microsoft get involved with. Not much point shaking your fists at a single company, go after the joke of a patent system your stupid country has instead, that's the real issue here.

#40 Posted by SeriouslyNow (8534 posts) -

@Contrarian said:

Why the fuss? Cadbury 'own' the colour purple (not the movie). You can't make a competitive product in the colour purple (where I live). Copying the look of your competitor shouldn't be allowed, it makes sense. Replicate this in anything popular out there and see what would happen. Samsung should just be origial and they wouldn't have an issue.

Cadbury don't own purple, they Trade Marked one specific tinge of purple. Get your facts straight. This isn't the same thing at all.

#41 Posted by Meowshi (2911 posts) -

Apple sucks.

I still love my phone though.

#42 Posted by biospank (648 posts) -

I know that I sound like a fanboy but does that not mean apple is somwhat paranoid? after all, saying they copied the technology just like that is a crime by itself. After all it happends all the damm time now'a days.

#43 Posted by Morrow (1828 posts) -

I don't own one single apple product. Ain't gonna change.

#44 Posted by MideonNViscera (2257 posts) -

Oh no, one giant corporation is fucking with another giant corporation. We all better not buy stuff we weren't gonna buy anyway and pretend we're doing it for the good of the world!

#45 Edited by Vegetable_Side_Dish (1724 posts) -

Classy as fuck. I also remember Microsoft getting to ban some Motorola android phones in the US because of an amazingly specific feature that allowed you to schedule meetings in a calendar. 

#46 Posted by mandude (2669 posts) -

@Vegetable_Side_Dish said:

Classy as fuck. I also remember Microsoft getting to ban some Motorola android phones in the US because of an amazingly specific feature that allowed you to schedule meetings in a calendar.

Calendars were just pieces of paper until Microsoft revolutionised the concept. The judges presiding over these things must be so fucking far removed from the real world.

#47 Posted by MikkaQ (10268 posts) -

@Bassman2112 said:

Link to the story is here

Personally, I think this is deplorable. Also, didn't we already have a similar trial like this with Microsoft v Apple many years ago? I seem to remember it being determined that you can't patent the look/feel of something, just the code... (I don't think it's directly mentioned in the article, but the issue is that the Nexus uses 'swipe to unlock.')

Regardless, as an Apple owner all I can say is that I have a really tough time supporting Apple on this and it has sullied the image of the whole company for me =/ Strong-arming competition rather than innovating is no way to make any customers feel good.

What are your guys' feelings on all of this?

Well Samsung does this to Apple all the time, so I'm not gonna hold it against them for doing the same. It's pretty standard corporate maneuvering in the tech world. But I hate patent disputes, they're annoying, boring to read, and just plain bad for innovation.

#48 Posted by Hunter5024 (5546 posts) -

Here's a podcast which goes into some detail about how idiotic modern patents are in case anyone's interested. It's a pretty broken system.

#49 Posted by Contrarian (1143 posts) -

@SeriouslyNow said:

@Contrarian said:

Why the fuss? Cadbury 'own' the colour purple (not the movie). You can't make a competitive product in the colour purple (where I live). Copying the look of your competitor shouldn't be allowed, it makes sense. Replicate this in anything popular out there and see what would happen. Samsung should just be origial and they wouldn't have an issue.

Cadbury don't own purple, they Trade Marked one specific tinge of purple. Get your facts straight. This isn't the same thing at all.

That is just semantics. If a product could reasonably seen as too similar to Cadbury, that being the colour, it is an infringement. How is that different? If I manufactured a car that looked like a Mustang, Ford would sue me. If I manufactured a game system that pretty much mirrored an Xbox, Microsoft would sue me. There is a line where copying the look and feel of your competitor is a breach. I don't see the big deal in that. Companies should be able to protect what they create.

#50 Posted by Choffy (440 posts) -

I'm all for innovation in products. It's terrible for Samsung, but if a judge thinks their product is too similar to the patents Apple filed in 2004, it's too similar. Companies taking out patents over their products is nothing new.

And for the people who openly bash Apple, the stigma that their products are overrated and cost way too much doesn't hold much weight for a lot of people. I've found "you get what you pay for" to be remarkably true in my lifetime. I'll pay an extra $200 for an aluminum unibody case because it's not plastic and has time and time again proved to be much more durable than any Windows laptop I've ever owned.