Schwarzenegger set to ban 'energy-guzzling' big screen TVs in CA

" @Megalon: No, I can't name a government that doesn't intervene in economics. That's why I'm not satisfied with any of the governments I have yet encountered! A government's job is to govern, that is, to ban the initiation of force to insure all interactions that occur within a society are peaceful. Governance has nothing to do with dictating what components a television, a car, or a house has. Those are goods produced by people, to be traded with people, these are things the marketplace can decide. Obviously to see this change in government attitudes and responsibilities is a much bigger problem than this one law, but this one law does nothing to ameliorate the problem of excessive government intervention. Now, obviously you didn't read the article because the industry spokesman they quoted said that voluntary action was already moving this issue forward, and that a law is not needed. "

No, that is not true at all. When a person commits a crime I want the government to step in.
 
I don't give carte blanche to anyone. But I have no reason not to take any contributor to the article this thread is about at their word for the moment.
 
I don't like it when governments spend resources writing laws to solve miniscule problems, when the crime rate in California is still higher than zero, and the massive amounts of fraud that was committed during the Bush Administration in California (and every other state with a significant financial sector) is not being punished, but instead being rewarded with bailouts! I am not opposed to government action, I just want that action to be focused on governing the initiation of force! Something the California State Legislature is doing a shitty-ass job of!
 
When governments become micromanagers, they lose sight of their core responsibilities. This is the problem I'm trying to address.

" @Megalon: By that same logic, why not doubt every single thing a member of government has to say every time the government seizes more power? If you're going to be skeptical of all people, then why stop short at government employees? Are you afraid of the power they wield? I doubt that, since you seem ready to hand over ever greater responsibility to them. My ideal is not off base, my ideal has driven humanity forward, and it is coercive entities (governments, individuals, and others) that have held us back.  Energy consumption has nothing to do with the environment. California derives very little of its power from any source that produces pollution.  And no, for fuck's sakes, carbon is not a pollutant. "

I love how the anarcho-capitalists love to dance around the fact that government (at least in much of the developed world) is by the people.
 
We voted for them because we want those laws, numbnuts.  Sorry that your crazy untenable views aren't held by most grown-ups.

" I love how the anarcho-capitalists love to dance around the fact that government (at least in much of the developed world) is by the people.  We voted for them because we want those laws, numbnuts.  Sorry that your crazy untenable views aren't held by most grown-ups. "

" @Megalon: Coal emits carbon. It doesn't emit sulfur, it doesn't emit CFC's, it emits carbon. Therefore burning washed coal (not the stuff they use in China, but the stuff you use in the U.S.) does not pollute.  And besides, if emissions are the problem you want to address, then the energy efficiency of a television is a drop in that bucket.  And no, I'm not crazy. Production has made continued human life on earth possible, coercion has served to hamper human life on earth. This is the essence of what I'm driving at not "We should all have TVs that cost an arm and a leg to turn on!" Don't believe me? Ask Californian farmers how they feel about government control of the water supply. Where do you go off using phrases like "the man"? I'm not a conspiracy theorist nut-job, just someone opposed to excessive government intervention into human life! There is a sizable gap between these two viewpoints! "

" @Suicrat said:

" @Megalon: By that same logic, why not doubt every single thing a member of government has to say every time the government seizes more power? If you're going to be skeptical of all people, then why stop short at government employees? Are you afraid of the power they wield? I doubt that, since you seem ready to hand over ever greater responsibility to them. My ideal is not off base, my ideal has driven humanity forward, and it is coercive entities (governments, individuals, and others) that have held us back.  Energy consumption has nothing to do with the environment. California derives very little of its power from any source that produces pollution.  And no, for fuck's sakes, carbon is not a pollutant. "

I'm not sure I need to say much in response to your apparent craziness, so I'll keep it short. 
 
Your ideal really sounds like you want to "bring it to the man", regardless of who the "man" is and what the intentions are of said "man".  
  
Energy consumption has everything to do with the environment, dude. I'm not sure what planet you're from, but here on Earth we derive many of our energy sources from the environment, and sometimes the waste from these energy sources harms the environment. Sometimes this harm is short-term, sometimes it is long-term. We use stuff that does both.  

I am aware that the element carbon is not a pollutant. However, the combustion of carbon compounds produces various things that are considered pollutants. So, things like coal and oil give rise to pollutants. Look, I even have a reference, which has links to even more references!  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pollutant  I can assure you, the "man" had nothing to do with making this source.  "

" @Suicrat said:

" @Megalon: Coal emits carbon. It doesn't emit sulfur, it doesn't emit CFC's, it emits carbon. Therefore burning washed coal (not the stuff they use in China, but the stuff you use in the U.S.) does not pollute.  And besides, if emissions are the problem you want to address, then the energy efficiency of a television is a drop in that bucket.  And no, I'm not crazy. Production has made continued human life on earth possible, coercion has served to hamper human life on earth. This is the essence of what I'm driving at not "We should all have TVs that cost an arm and a leg to turn on!" Don't believe me? Ask Californian farmers how they feel about government control of the water supply. Where do you go off using phrases like "the man"? I'm not a conspiracy theorist nut-job, just someone opposed to excessive government intervention into human life! There is a sizable gap between these two viewpoints! "

Coal emits various carbon compounds that are absolutely considered pollutants, as well as sulfur and a bunch of other stuff that are also considered pollutants. Most of the coal from the U.S. has at least 1% sulfur (the "best" of which is the sub-bituminous coal mined from Wyoming, Montana, and Pennsylvania). Coal liquefaction is better than some other ways to use coal, but it does not result in zero emissions in use, regardless of what methods are used to capture the byproducts. The liquefaction process itself causes the release of greenhouse gasses as well. Coal (and all carbon-based energy sources that are used in combustion) pollutes. It's not disputed anywhere but in your head, dude.   This whole discussion is getting off topic, and I'm a bit tired of disputing your claims with facts. "

The TV makers have managed to lower the wattage usage on plasmas by 50 % since 2007 and they will continue to make them more effecient. I see no need for this. The law should be based on power usage not screen size.

"I love how the anarcho-capitalists love to dance around the fact that government (at least in much of the developed world) is by the people.  We voted for them because we want those laws, numbnuts.  Sorry that your crazy untenable views aren't held by most grown-ups. "

I wonder if HD projectors count? I play on a 100 inch screen in 1080p, and there is no way I would ever want to downgrade.

Personally I'm just glad this is happening at the state level. As far as I'm concerned states can do whatever they want.

" @Feser: Well, supposing that the resultant laws (or lack thereof) did not directly contradict the constitution, I guess I would have to either live with it or leave the country.  One thing is for sure, I would be whining on video game message boards about it like a spoiled baby. "

"@Feser: Well, supposing that the resultant laws (or lack thereof) did not directly contradict the constitution, I guess I would have to either live with it or leave the country.  One thing is for sure, I would be whining on video game message boards about it like a spoiled baby.  Edit: I wasn't exactly thrilled with the W Bush era, by the way.  Still here.  Still voting. "

" @L1D3N said:

" This coming from a guy that drives around gas guzzling Hummers? Lol what a Hypocrite. Go back to  Austria. "

dude youre a little dated with you facts there pal "

I like this. Now the people constantly mouthing off about what other people should be doing to help the world can put some money where their mouth is. I fully support anything that negatively impacts the upper crust because I'm a bitter cunt here at the lower tier. 
And dismissing a policy because its a "drop in the bucket" is just ignorant. The general public would be outraged at a large sweeping policy, the way you solve this climate problems at the civilian level is one "drop" at a time. It all adds up.

" Dude, theres this guy on PSN called Big Duke 6, and he does the most amazing and hilarious Schwarzenegger impression ever. I swear to you guys. he always plays cod4. He ALWAYS talks like Arnold, and he nevers misses a beat. He is relentless, he never slips up. From the second he joins your party, till he signs off he is ARNOLD!  And its not just the funny accent, the TONE of his voice is dead on dude. I always invite him to my party, and then while we play, everyone starts dying laughing and they're all like OMFG is it really fucking Arnold playing COD4 on PS3 in the california governors mansion?!?!?? Dude he'll have you in tears within  minutes.  One of the funniest things he does is, he says very calmly and assertive, everytime he kills somebody he says "TERMINATED".  add him dude, he really is the big duke.  and he will have you laughing all night long.  "

" I like this. Now the people constantly mouthing off about what other people should be doing to help the world can put some money where their mouth is. I fully support anything that negatively impacts the upper crust because I'm a bitter cunt here at the lower tier. And dismissing a policy because its a "drop in the bucket" is just ignorant. The general public would be outraged at a large sweeping policy, the way you solve this climate problems at the civilian level is one "drop" at a time. It all adds up. "

" @Blair said:

" @Snipzor said:

" Plus television screens larger than 40" are quite excessive. "

Excessive is defined by the consumer, not you, or government. "

Fair enough, my family bought one, we regret it. It's fucking excessive.  

I agree, 40+ is just ridiculous. If the government doesn't do something, no one will.

dang that is crazy. i think they should have said 42" or more as there are barely any 40" LCD .  maybe they should look for something more energy use like hummers.

Hmmm.... they may stop selling them in CA but anyone who already has one I think you'll be just fine.

" I don't see anything wrong with this.  Maybe because I read the article. "

" @wordsgohere said:

" I don't see anything wrong with this.  Maybe because I read the article. "

Exactly.  OP didn't even read the f-ing article.  They aren't banning sets, they are setting minimum efficiency standards that most sets already meet.  But hey, it's way easier to knock down straw men and get with the histrionics. "

" that's not what he's claiming at all though, to me it seems like he's just upset at the headline "

" @Suicrat  People were giving the TC a hard time because of the misleading headline, and the fact that he and many other probably didn't even read the article. "

" I love how the anarcho-capitalists love to dance around the fact that government (at least in much of the developed world) is by the people.  We voted for them because we want those laws, numbnuts.  Sorry that your crazy untenable views aren't held by most grown-ups. "

Wasn't he the one who popularized Hummers as commercial vehicles?

It's funny how the Governator is labeled as a Republican but gets more liberal each passing day....

"It's funny how the Governator is labeled as a Republican but gets more liberal each passing day.... "

" @Kr3lian said:

" I love how the anarcho-capitalists love to dance around the fact that government (at least in much of the developed world) is by the people.  We voted for them because we want those laws, numbnuts.  Sorry that your crazy untenable views aren't held by most grown-ups. "

I didn't vote for any of these people. The power lies in the majority, so don't give me that shit that the government is "by the people". And name one time when I have EVER danced around that subject.   I don't even know what views of mine you are talking about. But the statement you just made commits the ad populum fallacy. The fact that most grown ups don't hold my views has nothing to do with the validity of my views. You have a P.H.D correct? Every get around to taking a logic class?  And if you keep spamming on threads, I'll paste the emails on economics you sent me a while back, which are embarrassing to say the least.  "

" @lilburtonboy7489 said:

" @Kr3lian said:

" I love how the anarcho-capitalists love to dance around the fact that government (at least in much of the developed world) is by the people.  We voted for them because we want those laws, numbnuts.  Sorry that your crazy untenable views aren't held by most grown-ups. "

I didn't vote for any of these people. The power lies in the majority, so don't give me that shit that the government is "by the people". And name one time when I have EVER danced around that subject.   I don't even know what views of mine you are talking about. But the statement you just made commits the ad populum fallacy. The fact that most grown ups don't hold my views has nothing to do with the validity of my views. You have a P.H.D correct? Every get around to taking a logic class?  And if you keep spamming on threads, I'll paste the emails on economics you sent me a while back, which are embarrassing to say the least.  "

Please do explain how placating the majority isn't power to the people. "

" Dude, theres this guy on PSN called Big Duke 6, and he does the most amazing and hilarious Schwarzenegger impression ever. I swear to you guys. he always plays cod4. He ALWAYS talks like Arnold, and he nevers misses a beat. He is relentless, he never slips up. From the second hmelle joins your party, till he signs off he is ARNOLD!  And its not just the funny accent, the TONE of his voice is dead on dude. I always invite him to my party, and then while we play, everyone starts dying laughing and they're all like OMFG is it really fucking Arnold playing COD4 on PS3 in the california governors mansion?!?!?? Dude he'll have you in tears within  minutes.  One of the funniest things he does is, he says very calmly and assertive, everytime he kills somebody he says "TERMINATED".  add him dude, he really is the big duke.  and he will have you laughing all night long.  "

Awesome.  First guns, now TVs?  Whats next?  
 
Hey Arnie - Can you ban Burger King too?  It should be illegal because it made me fat.

WTF??!?
If I'm paying for the electricity I should be able to do whatever I want with it. But Cali has a lot of crazy laws out there, like how you can't own .50 caliber rifles.

I have a 42 inch plasma TV connected to my PS3 in the Living Room.........thankfully I do not live in California.

" @lilburtonboy7489 said:

" @Kr3lian said:

" I love how the anarcho-capitalists love to dance around the fact that government (at least in much of the developed world) is by the people.  We voted for them because we want those laws, numbnuts.  Sorry that your crazy untenable views aren't held by most grown-ups. "

I didn't vote for any of these people. The power lies in the majority, so don't give me that shit that the government is "by the people". And name one time when I have EVER danced around that subject.   I don't even know what views of mine you are talking about. But the statement you just made commits the ad populum fallacy. The fact that most grown ups don't hold my views has nothing to do with the validity of my views. You have a P.H.D correct? Every get around to taking a logic class?  And if you keep spamming on threads, I'll paste the emails on economics you sent me a while back, which are embarrassing to say the least.  "

Please do explain how placating the majority isn't power to the people. "

 And if you keep spamming on threads, I'll paste the emails on economics you sent me a while back, which are embarrassing to say the least.  "

from my cold dead hands

" from my cold dead hands "