Wouldn't it be hilarious then for a known gang member to look somewhat like you and for the police to role up on you as you walk down the street and pump you full of holes "on site?" What you are saying is so ludicrous I feel like I am getting trolled and there is no point in discussing this anyway.
I don't think it would be funny. You never answered my question about seeing people killed in front of you. Have you ever seen real gang members with your own two eyes in person? I'm not talking about people wearing saggy pants and a wife beater. I'm talking about confirmed gang members.
Before you ask how you "confirm" if someone is a gang member please refrain from asking such a question.
I know exactly what you're talking about. It can be pretty unnerving day to day wondering if some fucker is going to roll up on you and that's it. I grew up with some Mexican kids that were in gangs and I was friends with some of them and cool with others. I was lucky since I was a white kid they were actually super nice to me (at least it made them not have to worry about me being in a gang). I even got in some fights myself and some would come back me up.
If they saw another Mexican they didn't recognize then here comes the puffed out chest, mad dogging and who do you roll with shit.
I saw a guy get his head bashed in by another guy at my school. That fucker was out to kill. Once that one kid hit the floor the other one aimed for his head and started kicking as hard as he could. I don't even know if they've ever met each other before that day. All I know is only one guy made it out alive.
That's essentially what I'm talking about. I'm sure that guy @mcghee has led a pretty cushy life if he thinks gang members shouldn't be disposed of in the quickest way. Once you've seen people killed right in front of you and have had friends shot for no reason you'd sing a different tune. It always amazing me how people can't understand something like "snitches get stitches" when they live in a nice neighborhood with real police protection. They don't understand that there are areas in the US where you have to be conscience of everyone around you so you don't accidentally look at someone the wrong way and end up getting hurt.
Yeaaaaaaaaaa. I get the whole "gangsters are the scum of the earth and deserve to die" thing somewhat. But really though this is just a terrible idea for a multitude of reasons.
1. The harmful effects on the minds of the witnesses of this. Witnessing things like murders can have extremely detrimental effects on the mental health of those that witness it.
2. Increased violence against police. If the police start shooting the gangs start shooting back. I HAVE seen a shootout between police and gang members before and if an officer shoots their friend and is going to shoot them too the gang members wont just sit there and take it. Not only that but If somebody kills a bangers brother then that dude will try and get revenge, especially if they know the police will do the same thing to them if they see them.
3. This could also evolve into massive wars between police and gangs. And the gangs generally would get the first shot off, considering the police would be driving around in cruisers and most of the time wearing uniforms.
4. It could also quite possibly raise racial tensions quite a bit because the vast majority of gang members are minorities and we really dont need to go to a minorities vs. whites situation again in this country.
I'm not saying gangs are a good thing. But the notion that police should just shoot gang members on sight is completely ludicrous.
The reasons you listed are exactly why we need to get rid of gang bangers. You don't have to kill them on the street in some shootout. You can start with those that are already in jail. Police should worry less about their safety and what their actions would cause and more about how their inaction has breed gang activity. Your reasoning is exactly why cops stay out of areas that are known gang hideouts. They don't want to get shot it. Isn't it their job to get rid of those gangs to make it safe for people that actually live there?
Okay so then you agree shooting on sight is a bad idea.
But man really? Police should worry less about their safety and what their actions would cause? That is completely insane.
And man if they really want anything positive to come out of this situation, then they should institute more programs to let prisoners get higher education while incarcerated. Many prisons nowadays have programs for them to get their GED's but nowadays that really doesnt qualify you to get a much better job than 10-12 bucks an hour and that most likely wouldnt be enough to motivate these guys to give up a life of crime and potentially actually help society instead of hurting it. Killing all the gangsters in prison will just leave a lot of bitter mothers and siblings, depressed their loved one chose the wrong life and wasnt given a second chance to try and make their lives right.
We should help gang bangers out by spending tax dollars to get them fixed up so they can lead a normal life? Do you know what the recidivism rate is for gang members? We have enough problems trying to get funding for healthcare, education, and basis infrastructure, but you're proposing we spend more money on a failed system?
As for police officers and keeping them safe how about they go out and stop more violent crime instead of hiding around corners to fill their ticket quota? They don't want to go into risky neighborhoods and do their job because they're afraid of getting shot. Then tell me who's job it is to curve gang violence when the police refuse to do it. Do you want the people living in those areas to take care of their own shit like they've been doing? That hasn't worked out well.