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#1 Posted by Matterless (352 posts) -

View more videos at: http://nbcconnecticut.com.

Live coverage from NBC Connecticut of this morning's elementary school shooting in Newtown, CT. One child confirmed dead so far.

This shit has to change.

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#2 Posted by dungbootle (2502 posts) -

Fuck, man.

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#3 Posted by laserbolts (5506 posts) -

Dumb fucking gun laws mixed with crazy people. Nothing good can come from it. Poor kids fuck.

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#4 Posted by TooWalrus (13380 posts) -

There's still no clear information about what happened. I wonder what kind of fucked up asshole would go on a rampage at an elementary school.

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#5 Posted by Oldirtybearon (5626 posts) -

I'd watch the video if it was available in my country, so I'll just ask this question out of pure speculation -

Are we positive it was an adult who shot the child or was it another child? I ask because the context for discussion should change dramatically based on the answer.

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#6 Posted by NegativeCero (3132 posts) -

Jesus fucking christ. There have been so many shootings lately.

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#7 Posted by Sgtpierceface (732 posts) -

God, I wish this shit would stop happening. What the fuck is wrong with people?

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#8 Posted by TooWalrus (13380 posts) -

@Oldirtybearon: The news feed says it was an adult, he/she was wearing a mask, he/she had two hand-guns.

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#9 Posted by Utterances (685 posts) -

@Oldirtybearon: Saw on twitter that preliminary info says one shooter (maybe more) might have been a father of a student.

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#10 Posted by Mirado (2159 posts) -

Shit is spiraling out of control. What the fuck is going wrong with people?

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#11 Posted by PistolPackinPoet (249 posts) -

Apparently the gunman got killed in the shooting.

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#12 Posted by Mageman (387 posts) -

@laserbolts said:

Dumb fucking gun laws mixed with crazy people. Nothing good can come from it. Poor kids fuck.

The gun laws are ok, most guns used in illegal activities are black market bought anyway.

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#13 Posted by Ravenlight (8057 posts) -

Was going to get my snark on in here but goddamn, man. This is some fucked up shit.

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#14 Posted by D_Mac (124 posts) -

Yeah, can't we, like, cool it with the murder for a while?

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#15 Posted by ImmortalSaiyan (4748 posts) -

Why would somebody do that. What is to be gained from shooting at children.

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#16 Posted by Jams (3043 posts) -

@Mirado said:

Shit is spiraling out of control. What the fuck is going wrong with people?

I don't know man. The crazies are coming out of the wood works lately. All this terrible shit happening. I'm not a conspiracy theorist or anything but it seems like it ramping up and we're getting closer to 12/21/12.

Really intense natural disasters, threats of attacks from Iran, What's happening in Syria, the deficit, all these nutty fucks snapping and going on shooting sprees....

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#17 Edited by Matterless (352 posts) -

NBC reporting as many as 20 children may have been shot. Oh my god.

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#18 Posted by l4wd0g (2355 posts) -

Wow, that's awful.

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#19 Edited by FluxWaveZ (19834 posts) -

I wonder how many of these recent incidents (2010-2012) happened in the U.S. compared to other countries.

@Degringolade said:

Police reporting as many as 20 children may have been shot. Oh my god.

Fuck. Wonder if it's too hopeful to believe that none of those shots were fatal...

Ugh, well comment under mine proves that it was too hopeful.

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#20 Posted by iam3green (14368 posts) -

apparently 12 people have been dead, principle and school psychiatrist.

there might be two shooters.

obama is getting updates.

i'm watching local news. it's like an 45min drive from where i live.

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#21 Edited by Optix12 (666 posts) -

Insert speechless response. Seriously though what the hell is wrong with some people.

@Oldirtybearon: If its another child then... damn i would be speechless but seems its an adult.

EDIT: Im speechless in both ways that could have panned out (who the shooter was) but if it really was a kid at that age, in that school then... just what!

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#22 Posted by Toadie (13 posts) -

Most guns are NOT bought on the black market in these things. They are easily obtained through guns stores. Look at the Dark Knight Rises shooting and Virgina Tech. We very much DO need sensible gun control in this country or nothing will change. You can't point out a crazy person, but you can limited guns. It won't be perfect, nothing is, but if you do nothing, you are making sure this will happen, easily, again.

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#23 Posted by Matterless (352 posts) -

RT samsteinhp: BREAKING: CBS now reporting 27 dead, incl 14 children in Conneticut school shooting.

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#24 Edited by Dapupeteer (12 posts) -

Gun law are pretty weak when you can buy almost any gun at gun show without any background check, this is from personal experience. I also order a gun over the internet and shipped it to a gun store and the only thing they did was call for a background check which took less then a minute.

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#25 Posted by dungbootle (2502 posts) -

@Degringolade said:

RT samsteinhp: BREAKING: CBS now reporting 27 dead, incl 14 children in Conneticut school shooting.

Oh my fucking god.

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#26 Posted by Utterances (685 posts) -

Oh no.

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#27 Posted by Marcsman (3486 posts) -

This is despicable

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#28 Posted by Duff_McWhalen (24 posts) -

@Degringolade: @Degringolade said:

RT samsteinhp: BREAKING: CBS now reporting 27 dead, incl 14 children in Conneticut school shooting.

Well, fuck.

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#29 Posted by Matterless (352 posts) -

RT emmagkeller: CBS: Only a few people shot needed to be treated. "The vast majority were dead." newtown

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#30 Posted by joshthebear (2704 posts) -

Fucking speechless man. What in the fuck is wrong with people?

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#31 Posted by MeierTheRed (5111 posts) -

This is horrible

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#32 Posted by Matterless (352 posts) -

AP is now reporting 18 children dead.

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#33 Posted by Bourbon_Warrior (4569 posts) -

@Jams said:

@Mirado said:

Shit is spiraling out of control. What the fuck is going wrong with people?

I don't know man. The crazies are coming out of the wood works lately. All this terrible shit happening. I'm not a conspiracy theorist or anything but it seems like it ramping up and we're getting closer to 12/21/12.

Really intense natural disasters, threats of attacks from Iran, What's happening in Syria, the deficit, all these nutty fucks snapping and going on shooting sprees....

People have always snapped and done violent things, but over the past 20 years they have been able to get their hands on powerful weapons very easily.

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#34 Edited by NegativeCero (3132 posts) -

@Duff_McWhalen said:

@Degringolade: @Degringolade said:

RT samsteinhp: BREAKING: CBS now reporting 27 dead, incl 14 children in Conneticut school shooting.

Well, fuck.

I just heard 27 dead, 18 were children, according to the Associated Press.

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#35 Posted by Napalm (9230 posts) -

@Degringolade said:

RT samsteinhp: BREAKING: CBS now reporting 27 dead, incl 14 children in Conneticut school shooting.

Reuters report. Twenty-seven confirmed dead (not sure how many are children. I assume most). One shooter, two guns, shooter was a father of a student there.

Goddamn it. God fucking damn it.

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#36 Posted by Ramone (3080 posts) -

I feel physically sick.

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#37 Posted by Mageman (387 posts) -

@Toadie said:

Most guns are NOT bought on the black market in these things. They are easily obtained through guns stores. Look at the Dark Knight Rises shooting and Virgina Tech. We very much DO need sensible gun control in this country or nothing will change. You can't point out a crazy person, but you can limited guns. It won't be perfect, nothing is, but if you do nothing, you are making sure this will happen, easily, again.

There are exceptions, buying guns legally is easier than illegally but it's not that more difficult to get it off a black market. If you want to be a criminal then you have nothing to lose. The only people who have to lose with strict gun control are law abiding citizens.

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#38 Posted by CptBedlam (4511 posts) -

Oh man, this is absolutely heartbreaking. No words.

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#39 Posted by OneManX (1709 posts) -

This makes me sick... I know it's near impossible to weed out the crazies from owning guns, but yeah... we need to leash in these guns out in the wild.

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#40 Edited by Milkman (18779 posts) -

I hate to turn this into a gun control debate but fucking really, people?

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#41 Posted by Matterless (352 posts) -

There have been an estimated 31 school shootings in the US since the shooting at Columbine in 1999.

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#42 Posted by Toadie (13 posts) -

@Mageman: That is absolutely no excuse to try to limit guns to people that use them for ill. If you keep using that excuse for everything, you may as well lay down and let every terrible thing in the world roll over us and do nothing. And guess what, law abiding citizens shouldn't need these guns, its only because we allow them that that is even a thought.

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#43 Posted by Nev (665 posts) -

Man, so awful. This shit is disgusting.

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#44 Posted by joshthebear (2704 posts) -

Gun control is a must, and people who think otherwise must be fucking delusional. I can only imagine how the NRA is going to spin this.

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#45 Posted by Mageman (387 posts) -

@Toadie said:

@Mageman: That is absolutely no excuse to try to limit guns to people that use them for ill. If you keep using that excuse for everything, you may as well lay down and let every terrible thing in the world roll over us and do nothing. And guess what, law abiding citizens shouldn't need these guns, its only because we allow them that that is even a thought.

But they do need them, it's not moral to disallow someone's right to defend his home.

Switzerland, Austria and Serbia also have quite liberal gun laws yet that does not cause horrible gun crime there, it's an American phenomenon and gun laws have nothing to do with it. As I said, if that guy couldn't get guns legally he would waste an additional 30 min of his pathetic life and get them illegally.

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#46 Posted by Bourbon_Warrior (4569 posts) -

@Mageman said:

@Toadie said:

Most guns are NOT bought on the black market in these things. They are easily obtained through guns stores. Look at the Dark Knight Rises shooting and Virgina Tech. We very much DO need sensible gun control in this country or nothing will change. You can't point out a crazy person, but you can limited guns. It won't be perfect, nothing is, but if you do nothing, you are making sure this will happen, easily, again.

There are exceptions, buying guns legally is easier than illegally but it's not that more difficult to get it off a black market. If you want to be a criminal then you have nothing to lose. The only people who have to lose with strict gun control are law abiding citizens.

It doesn't matter, they fucked up gun laws long ago, simple as that. You can prevent people from buying guns or the type of guns and how much ammunition they keep but there is still way too many guns in America. It's come to the point where I think every school needs a gun cabinet and teachers that are trained to fire guns it's a sad reality but this is what America is now, Canada has alot of guns but they have a very low murder rate.

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#47 Edited by Sooty (8194 posts) -

Surprise surprise. How many more lives need to be lost to tighten gun laws in America?

and agree with @Bourbon_Warrior: there's too many guns in circulation now, but they should still make it at least a little challenging to get a gun, the fact Walmarts sell guns creeps me out.

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#48 Posted by plop1920 (498 posts) -

Stop selling guns to citizens

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#49 Edited by SirOptimusPrime (2043 posts) -

I really don't have anything to say. I was already pretty much for harsh gun laws, but I really want to hear a case for soft gun laws after this. You have to start somewhere, and if that means I don't get to keep my gun (yes, it's quite common in Central/NE PA to have many guns) then yes please.

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I wonder how many of these recent incidents (2010-2012) happened in the U.S. compared to other countries.

I don't know, but something similar happened in China earlier today (EST). Read as: World is fucked, not just us :|

@Mageman: Or he would go and steal one from a neighbor. Or that very weapon used to "defend one's home" can be turned against you, or your children - or others and their children. The variables are too many and nuanced to just say that the citizenry "needs" access to guns.

If the perpetrator has a gun, and so do you, where does it end? When does the escalation stop, really?

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#50 Posted by TheHT (13857 posts) -

@Mageman said:

@Toadie said:

@Mageman: That is absolutely no excuse to try to limit guns to people that use them for ill. If you keep using that excuse for everything, you may as well lay down and let every terrible thing in the world roll over us and do nothing. And guess what, law abiding citizens shouldn't need these guns, its only because we allow them that that is even a thought.

But they do need them, it's not moral to disallow someone's right to defend his home.

Stricter gun laws = automatic removal of right to defend home?

Does not compute.