Simulus package passes, with no republican support.

I am not shocked by this, seriously, after so many years since Reagan, they have never and will never support anything from the democrats. Never, but this time it doesn't matter if they are voting for it or not, they don't matter anymore.

It brings me extreme happiness to say that the republican politicians don't matter anymore. It is official, but I give it another month until they will start blaming everything on the democratic congress and executive command just because things aren't moving as fast as they wanted it to be.

Not that all our (your) problems are solved, far from it. First we have to see if this thing actually works, then there has to be regulations for the banking industry, and then we'll see how things go from there. Hopefully Lou Dobbs will stop calling this "The Politics Of Fear" and go back to his Mexican bashing routine.

*Currently waiting for Fox News to call outrage over this*

From what i hear, the only thing they can come up with to be against the stimulus package is that it wont fix all of the economic problems. Which is true but it will certainly wont hurt us. republicans just dont want to spend money on the people, they would much rather spend it on major corporations and wars to get more oil out of the middle east.

Well, if this thing works its going to egg in the face of the Republicans in congress. If it doesnt work, they can have their "I told you so moment" but at that point we would all be pretty screwed.

"Well, if this thing works its going to egg in the face of the Republicans in congress. If it doesnt work, they can have their "I told you so moment" but at that point we would all be pretty screwed."

It still needs to pass the Senate. 11 democrats voted against it in Congress. It will be a tougher fight in the Senate as the bill will need a few Republican votes. Politics will be played.

Wait, the nationalization of the american economy is a good thing? Wow...

"Wait, the nationalization of the american economy is a good thing? Wow..."

"Wait, the nationalization of the american economy is a good thing? Wow..."

The main differences between republicans and democrats are so minor that in the end it won't matter much.  I am much more interested in further Lobbyist reforms that Obama has touched on ever so lightly.  We need MAJOR lobby reforms before we can move past Rush LImbaugh/Reagan worship and the democratic party that until Obama, had no real identity or agenda.

As shitty as the GOP has become, at least they have an agenda you can identify - Force religion into public schools and various other legal areas (unconstitutional), cry about OH NOES THEY WANT TO TAKE MY GUNS, (even tho it is in the constitution that you can have a gun and that wont change, and to be hawkish cowboys when it comes to foreign policy.

Until obama, the democratic platform was - "Uhh we slightly disagree w/ some minor aspects of Bush policy, but will vote in favor of it anyway" which was not much of an agenda

"Wait, the nationalization of the american economy is a good thing? Wow..."

"The main differences between republicans and democrats are so minor that in the end it won't matter much.  I am much more interested in further Lobbyist reforms that Obama has touched on ever so lightly.  We need MAJOR lobby reforms before we can move past Rush LImbaugh/Reagan worship and the democratic party that until Obama, had no real identity or agenda.

As shitty as the GOP has become, at least they have an agenda you can identify - Force religion into public schools and various other legal areas (unconstitutional), cry about OH NOES THEY WANT TO TAKE MY GUNS, (even tho it is in the constitution that you can have a gun and that wont change, and to be hawkish cowboys when it comes to foreign policy.

Until obama, the democratic platform was - "Uhh we slightly disagree w/ some minor aspects of Bush policy, but will vote in favor of it anyway" which was not much of an agenda"

"Pibo47 said:

"Wait, the nationalization of the american economy is a good thing? Wow..."

Since when was it a bad thing to spend money to create jobs? Oh yea! Since Reaganomics came over and completely screwed our perception of how economic recovery should work."

Snipzor said:

"Pibo47 said:

"Wait, the nationalization of the american economy is a good thing? Wow..."

Since when was it a bad thing to spend money to create jobs? Oh yea! Since Reaganomics came over and completely screwed our perception of how economic recovery should work."

The fed's screw up everything they tough. So yes its a bad thing."

"Pibo47 said:

Snipzor said:

"Pibo47 said:

"Wait, the nationalization of the american economy is a good thing? Wow..."

Since when was it a bad thing to spend money to create jobs? Oh yea! Since Reaganomics came over and completely screwed our perception of how economic recovery should work."

The fed's screw up everything they tough. So yes its a bad thing."

Which is why the banks and the lack of keeping an eye on things led to what happened. TOTAL COLLAPSE!!! As they would say. People have been living on savings since Reaganomics came into place, sure short-term improvements is fine, but if there is no security in the long-run... well you get the point."

Don't people realize that just giving away money doesn't work?
create jobs damn it

Oh Snipzor, so full of hate. Were you beat up by a gang of republicans as a kid? It's 2009 and we still hate on people with different beliefs, so so sad. :-(

"Don't people realize that just giving away money doesn't work?
create jobs damn it"

Free Market plz.

"Free Market plz."

This is an absolutely awful bill. There is no such thing as "government stimulus".  They have 2 ways of getting this money: 1) Taking money from the private sector which operated on a profit/loss system, and using it for government spending, which does not work on this system or supply and demand. That means no pricing system either. OR 2) Print the money. Money is just a medium of exchange. So how will printing more of a medium of exchange going to change the economy other than making our previously owned money worth less?

"Don't people realize that just giving away money doesn't work?
create jobs damn it"

"SmugDarkLoser said:

"Don't people realize that just giving away money doesn't work?
create jobs damn it"

The government shouldn't create jobs. The private sector should create jobs."

"It brings me extreme happiness to say that the republican politicians don't matter anymore."

That's not the fault of private businesses. It's the fault of the Federal Reserve. The market needs to readjust. This unemployment is needed. They need to find different jobs based on demand, not jobs based on malinvestments which were made due to artificially low interest rates.

Republican 's opinion matters but this case was an extreme one directly related to nation 's financial safety and occupation . also republicans were mostly skeptical about over  $200 billion tax cuts .
as Obama said himself  : "What makes an idea sound  is not whether it is democrat or republican but whether it makes economic sense for the workers and companies . "

"Republican 's opinion matters but this case was an extreme one directly related to nation 's financial safety and occupation . also republicans were mostly skeptical about over  $200 billion tax cuts .
as Obama said himself  : "What makes an idea sound  is not whether it is democrat or republican but whether it makes economic sense for the workers and companies . ""

"That's not the fault of private businesses. It's the fault of the Federal Reserve. The market needs to readjust. This unemployment is needed. They need to find different jobs based on demand, not jobs based on malinvestments which were made due to artificially low interest rates."

"Republican 's opinion matters but this case was an extreme one directly related to nation 's financial safety and occupation . also republicans were mostly skeptical about over  $200 billion tax cuts .
as Obama said himself  : "What makes an idea sound  is not whether it is democrat or republican but whether it makes economic sense for the workers and companies . ""

"daniel_beck_90 said:

"Republican 's opinion matters but this case was an extreme one directly related to nation 's financial safety and occupation . also republicans were mostly skeptical about over  $200 billion tax cuts .
as Obama said himself  : "What makes an idea sound  is not whether it is democrat or republican but whether it makes economic sense for the workers and companies . ""

And this bill makes no economic sense. It's not going to help us at all."

"lilburtonboy7489 said:

"That's not the fault of private businesses. It's the fault of the Federal Reserve. The market needs to readjust. This unemployment is needed. They need to find different jobs based on demand, not jobs based on malinvestments which were made due to artificially low interest rates."

Are you denying any fault by private business? Something that has been disproven since economists created theories of this fallout in the mid-1990's."

I've voted democrat for the last 2 elections. That being said, both parties make me angry. 

"lilburtonboy7489 said:

"daniel_beck_90 said:

"Republican 's opinion matters but this case was an extreme one directly related to nation 's financial safety and occupation . also republicans were mostly skeptical about over  $200 billion tax cuts .
as Obama said himself  : "What makes an idea sound  is not whether it is democrat or republican but whether it makes economic sense for the workers and companies . ""

And this bill makes no economic sense. It's not going to help us at all."

Are you aware of the sheer number of job loss ?  this stimulus package is aimed at creating millions of  new jobs ."

 then there has to be regulations for the banking industry

"Snipzor said:

 then there has to be regulations for the banking industry

The banking industry is the highest regulated industry in the system. Fractional Reserve banking is half of the problem, but that has nothing to do with regulation. Fractional Reserve banking can only be done with a central bank, and the FED strongly supports it."

"daniel_beck_90 said:

"lilburtonboy7489 said:

"daniel_beck_90 said:

"Republican 's opinion matters but this case was an extreme one directly related to nation 's financial safety and occupation . also republicans were mostly skeptical about over  $200 billion tax cuts .
as Obama said himself  : "What makes an idea sound  is not whether it is democrat or republican but whether it makes economic sense for the workers and companies . ""

And this bill makes no economic sense. It's not going to help us at all."

Are you aware of the sheer number of job loss ?  this stimulus package is aimed at creating millions of  new jobs ."

Employment is only good if the jobs are profitable. Only the market can show what is profitable because for  business to exist, it must be profitable. So to employ, they must remain profitable making the jobs such as well. Government doesn't employ based off of profit. They employ based off of taxation and printing money."

"lilburtonboy7489 said:

"daniel_beck_90 said:

"lilburtonboy7489 said:

"daniel_beck_90 said:

"Republican 's opinion matters but this case was an extreme one directly related to nation 's financial safety and occupation . also republicans were mostly skeptical about over  $200 billion tax cuts .
as Obama said himself  : "What makes an idea sound  is not whether it is democrat or republican but whether it makes economic sense for the workers and companies . ""

And this bill makes no economic sense. It's not going to help us at all."

Are you aware of the sheer number of job loss ?  this stimulus package is aimed at creating millions of  new jobs ."

Employment is only good if the jobs are profitable. Only the market can show what is profitable because for  business to exist, it must be profitable. So to employ, they must remain profitable making the jobs such as well. Government doesn't employ based off of profit. They employ based off of taxation and printing money."

 Right now having an occupation is more important that the profit itself . many Americans are trying to get safer jobs (read a job that lasts for at least 2 years ) even if that means less salary . so  basically creating job opportunities regardless of the profit have positive effect on the economy ."

"lilburtonboy7489 said:

"Snipzor said:

 then there has to be regulations for the banking industry

The banking industry is the highest regulated industry in the system. Fractional Reserve banking is half of the problem, but that has nothing to do with regulation. Fractional Reserve banking can only be done with a central bank, and the FED strongly supports it."

The Economist would like to have a word with you. Something about checking your facts."

When people are actually charged taxes in this country then things will get fixed till then john and mary hate taxes in america.

In america Taxes=evil unless said taxes are sales tax and go towards building them a new super dome they will likely never go too. Taxes are the life blood of a country the fact we've been around so long hating taxes is suprising.

@lilburtonboy
the broken windows falacy is a theory and just that a retarded theory employment is a good thing regardless of any thing else believed, let alone the fact said defacement of property and other illegal activities are more likely in people when they have nothing to do and no job. and I do not believe in the increasement of technological efficiency at the cost of jobs, I believe in the technological advancement for enviormental protection though i just felt like throwing that in there.

"When people are actually charged taxes in this country then things will get fixed till then john and mary hate taxes in america.

In america Taxes=evil unless said taxes are sales tax and go towards building them a new super dome they will likely never go too. Taxes are the life blood of a country the fact we've been around so long hating taxes is suprising."

"WilliamRLBaker said:

"When people are actually charged taxes in this country then things will get fixed till then john and mary hate taxes in america.

In america Taxes=evil unless said taxes are sales tax and go towards building them a new super dome they will likely never go too. Taxes are the life blood of a country the fact we've been around so long hating taxes is suprising."

Thank you for the dumbest post I have ever read."

Um...my degree is in Economics you idiot. Tell me exactly what is dumb about my post.

"Um...my degree is in Economics you idiot. Tell me exactly what is dumb about my post."

Taxes help government pay for things like defence and social programs, which aid in the progression of a country. More at 11

"daniel_beck_90 said:

"lilburtonboy7489 said:

"daniel_beck_90 said:

"lilburtonboy7489 said:

"daniel_beck_90 said:

"Republican 's opinion matters but this case was an extreme one directly related to nation 's financial safety and occupation . also republicans were mostly skeptical about over  $200 billion tax cuts .
as Obama said himself  : "What makes an idea sound  is not whether it is democrat or republican but whether it makes economic sense for the workers and companies . ""

And this bill makes no economic sense. It's not going to help us at all."

Are you aware of the sheer number of job loss ?  this stimulus package is aimed at creating millions of  new jobs ."

Employment is only good if the jobs are profitable. Only the market can show what is profitable because for  business to exist, it must be profitable. So to employ, they must remain profitable making the jobs such as well. Government doesn't employ based off of profit. They employ based off of taxation and printing money."

 Right now having an occupation is more important that the profit itself . many Americans are trying to get safer jobs (read a job that lasts for at least 2 years ) even if that means less salary . so  basically creating job opportunities regardless of the profit have positive effect on the economy ."

So having an occupation for the goal of employment is good? No. Ever hear of the broken window fallacy in economics? Well you just committed it. Employment is not intrinsically good. It will just cause more problems. By your logic, vandalism should be legal. That way, people can run around and break windows and cause all kinds of damage to public goods so that we can hire people to fix it. It will lower unemployment. The problem is, the money spent on fixing the broken window was spent, so now instead of having a new suit AND the window, we just have a window. No production, no economic growth. Just unprofitable employment.

So I have a question: Are you opposed to technological advances that make us more efficient at the cost of unemployment?"

ok. what is the stimulus package?

"lilburtonboy7489 said:

"daniel_beck_90 said:

"lilburtonboy7489 said:

"daniel_beck_90 said:

"lilburtonboy7489 said:

"daniel_beck_90 said:

"Republican 's opinion matters but this case was an extreme one directly related to nation 's financial safety and occupation . also republicans were mostly skeptical about over  $200 billion tax cuts .
as Obama said himself  : "What makes an idea sound  is not whether it is democrat or republican but whether it makes economic sense for the workers and companies . ""

And this bill makes no economic sense. It's not going to help us at all."

Are you aware of the sheer number of job loss ?  this stimulus package is aimed at creating millions of  new jobs ."

Employment is only good if the jobs are profitable. Only the market can show what is profitable because for  business to exist, it must be profitable. So to employ, they must remain profitable making the jobs such as well. Government doesn't employ based off of profit. They employ based off of taxation and printing money."

 Right now having an occupation is more important that the profit itself . many Americans are trying to get safer jobs (read a job that lasts for at least 2 years ) even if that means less salary . so  basically creating job opportunities regardless of the profit have positive effect on the economy ."

So having an occupation for the goal of employment is good? No. Ever hear of the broken window fallacy in economics? Well you just committed it. Employment is not intrinsically good. It will just cause more problems. By your logic, vandalism should be legal. That way, people can run around and break windows and cause all kinds of damage to public goods so that we can hire people to fix it. It will lower unemployment. The problem is, the money spent on fixing the broken window was spent, so now instead of having a new suit AND the window, we just have a window. No production, no economic growth. Just unprofitable employment.

So I have a question: Are you opposed to technological advances that make us more efficient at the cost of unemployment?"

 You should remember that employment is not only beneficial for the economy but it also improves the society in terms of physical and mental health and life style . unemployment causes so many problems such as  increase rate in rubbery , public indecency , prostitution , violent attack and suicides , corruption among public figures (Rod Blagojevich comes to my mind) and so forth . so unemployment has a much devastating impact than lack of profit .

In the time of recession there is nothing more important than saving as many job as possible (not even technological advancements )  and keep the economy mobile ."

"ok. what is the stimulus package?"

"When people are actually charged taxes in this country then things will get fixed till then john and mary hate taxes in america.

In america Taxes=evil unless said taxes are sales tax and go towards building them a new super dome they will likely never go too. Taxes are the life blood of a country the fact we've been around so long hating taxes is suprising.

@lilburtonboy
the broken windows falacy is a theory and just that a retarded theory employment is a good thing regardless of any thing else believed, let alone the fact said defacement of property and other illegal activities are more likely in people when they have nothing to do and no job. and I do not believe in the increasement of technological efficiency at the cost of jobs, I believe in the technological advancement for enviormental protection though i just felt like throwing that in there."

"WilliamRLBaker said:

"When people are actually charged taxes in this country then things will get fixed till then john and mary hate taxes in america.

In america Taxes=evil unless said taxes are sales tax and go towards building them a new super dome they will likely never go too. Taxes are the life blood of a country the fact we've been around so long hating taxes is suprising."

Thank you for the dumbest post I have ever read."

"WilliamRLBaker said:

"When people are actually charged taxes in this country then things will get fixed till then john and mary hate taxes in america.

In america Taxes=evil unless said taxes are sales tax and go towards building them a new super dome they will likely never go too. Taxes are the life blood of a country the fact we've been around so long hating taxes is suprising.

@lilburtonboy
the broken windows falacy is a theory and just that a retarded theory employment is a good thing regardless of any thing else believed, let alone the fact said defacement of property and other illegal activities are more likely in people when they have nothing to do and no job. and I do not believe in the increasement of technological efficiency at the cost of jobs, I believe in the technological advancement for enviormental protection though i just felt like throwing that in there."

Um...no. It has never been refuted and never will. Read my last post to "daniel beck".  And I am sorry you increase technological advancements which create economic growth and raise the standard of living. Please don't ever get into economics."

"lilburtonboy7489 said:

"Um...my degree is in Economics you idiot. Tell me exactly what is dumb about my post."

Let's see, you saying someone's post which says "Taxes are the life blood of the country", "Thank you for the dumbest post I have ever read.", is what most people would call mentally insane. And that's a judgement call I'm making which just so happens to be true.

Taxes help government pay for things like defence and social programs, which aid in the progression of a country. More at 11

"

"lilburtonboy7489 said:

"WilliamRLBaker said:

"When people are actually charged taxes in this country then things will get fixed till then john and mary hate taxes in america.

In america Taxes=evil unless said taxes are sales tax and go towards building them a new super dome they will likely never go too. Taxes are the life blood of a country the fact we've been around so long hating taxes is suprising."

Thank you for the dumbest post I have ever read."

I guess the fact that every other country on the planet thats considered 1st world is vastly better then america in the areas of standard of living, schools...ect means nothing then? all directly a result of taxes put into that country by the people of that country.

Most of those countries have less violence, less people in prisons...ect then america does because of the social programs that have been in place for a very long time because of taxes, then again it all so ties into that in those countries they dont whorship at the alter of tv and mc donalds and jerk off to famous people walking down a red carpet.

As well its a fact in america, A FACT
Americans hate taxes they fear taxes and loath them to say otherwise is moronic its proven by nearly every political platform since 1776....NO NEW TAXES which nearly 90% of presidents have platformed and EVERY single one has created NEW taxes in one form or another because they HAD NO other choice where the hell was stuff gonna get paid for from? magic money anal fairies?  The only problem being that in the past 40 or so years under republican presidents government spending in nearly every area have outpaced the ammount of taxes the american public puts into the system, Let alone that americas tax system is palrty compared to other countries its confusing and stupid.

Theory:When in your country there are ACTUAL companies that help people figure out your tax system then you've got a problem with that tax system.
Nearly every part of american buisness has had to evolve around our low tax system which is one of the reasons we are in the problem we are in, We are technoglically advanced supposedly yet we are low in the list of 1st world countries in expression of that technology tax money to make jobs in country betterment should have been in place since the 50's or earlier we have been a first world country for how long and have been outpaced in social structure, prisons, government programs, road programs, building programs...hell BASIC infastructure by nearly every other 1st world country.

and the common difference is taxes in those countries are far more then america and for the only reason that americans believe taxes are evil.


lilburtonboy7489 said:

"WilliamRLBaker said:

"When people are actually charged taxes in this country then things will get fixed till then john and mary hate taxes in america.

In america Taxes=evil unless said taxes are sales tax and go towards building them a new super dome they will likely never go too. Taxes are the life blood of a country the fact we've been around so long hating taxes is suprising.

@lilburtonboy
the broken windows falacy is a theory and just that a retarded theory employment is a good thing regardless of any thing else believed, let alone the fact said defacement of property and other illegal activities are more likely in people when they have nothing to do and no job. and I do not believe in the increasement of technological efficiency at the cost of jobs, I believe in the technological advancement for enviormental protection though i just felt like throwing that in there."

Um...no. It has never been refuted and never will. Read my last post to "daniel beck".  And I am sorry you increase technological advancements which create economic growth and raise the standard of living. Please don't ever get into economics."

And yet america one of the most technologically advanced countries in the world is 6th on a list of standard of living in GDP in 2004, yet its 92nd in distribution of wealth its 92nd in a list that shows more people are poor then rich in this country."