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#1 Posted by Demoskinos (14710 posts) -

So, I don't know how many of you follow David Jaffe or Leigh Alexander on Twitter but today for seemingly no reason Leigh throws Twisted Metal under the bus not just thrashing the game but the hard work that was put behind it too. Its one thing to critque a game in a fashion that is fair or say that you don't like something but thrashing everyone who put years of hard work into the game is pretty uncalled for. Links to both of their twitter profiles below....

https://twitter.com/#!/leighalexander

https://twitter.com/#!/davidscottjaffe

#2 Posted by JasonR86 (9649 posts) -

I like that her website is called Sexy Videogameland. I don't think there's any confidence issues.

#3 Posted by Demoskinos (14710 posts) -

@JasonR86: She is seriously one of the most annoying people. Ryan telling her to shut up on the E3 was among the best things ever to happen on a Gaintbomb livestream.

#4 Posted by Shady (503 posts) -

I didn't even know people took her opinions seriously.

#5 Edited by Lagaroth (170 posts) -

gaming & social media culture journalist. i'm in gamasutra, thought catalog, edge, kotaku, nylon guys et al. brooklyn music soldier, hard partier.

Also, what is a music soldier? Specifically from Brooklyn.

#6 Posted by Shady (503 posts) -

The person people avoid at parties.

#7 Edited by EarlessShrimp (1632 posts) -

@Demoskinos: If you could, might you shoot me a pm of the link or just post one here of this incident? I would love it!

EDIT: "the only people accusing people of being hipsters are just frustrated they can't figure out the popular aesthetic" - @Leighalexander

Personally, I typically call people hipsters because I think their being arrogant to the point of excruciating in an attempt to be more of an indie dude/dudette than anyone else. My definition may be skewed, but that's how I see a hipster.

#8 Posted by SlasherMan (1725 posts) -

Well, she annoys people too... so there's that.

#9 Posted by Dagbiker (6956 posts) -

What did she say exactly, not knowing its kinda hard to find.

Also i think she is hilarious when drunk because she is just a big troll. No one should take her seriously.

#10 Posted by LordXavierBritish (6320 posts) -

I'm LordXavierBritish and I approve this thread.

#11 Posted by JasonR86 (9649 posts) -

Hey Guys, I did a search on youtube for Leigh on Giant Bomb and I think these are relevant.

Anyway, sorry for that aside. Back to the topic...

#12 Posted by Demoskinos (14710 posts) -

@EarlessShrimp: Here is one of the more choice quotes from Ms. Alexander.....

If I'd worked on twisted metal I'd just lie and say I didn't

To which Jaffe responded....

I love the fact that you think you'd be qualified to do anything other than critique and judge the hard work other folks do. It's important to have goals, so good on you Alex!
#13 Posted by DeF (4846 posts) -

@EarlessShrimp said:

@Demoskinos: If you could, might you shoot me a pm of the link or just post one here of this incident? I would love it!

wait, so you missed the whole E32010 livestream debacle that had people going nuts in the comments/chat? you lucky bastard :)

#14 Posted by Demoskinos (14710 posts) -
#15 Posted by ShaggE (6399 posts) -

Leigh's written some decent articles, but overall, she seems like another Jim Sterling.

#16 Posted by Dallas_Raines (2146 posts) -

Kind of a b-word...

#17 Posted by EuanDewar (4872 posts) -

Oh man, I hope this is some quality Jaffe. When he gets on a tear it is fierce and often hilarious.

#18 Posted by PokeIkzai (385 posts) -

I really don't know anything about her but that tweet was kinda bitchy.

#19 Posted by MikkaQ (10276 posts) -

I love Jaffe's comeback. “leighalexander: If I'd worked on twisted metal I'd just lie and say I didn't” I love the fact that you think you'd be qualified to do [so]"

Leigh's comment was pretty uncalled for. Sure, criticize the game, but don't insult the people who made it, that's just rude.

#20 Posted by Animasta (14667 posts) -

eh, she writes good articles on gamasutra.

not saying she's not an asshole at times, but what is the difference between saying this and then saying people at gameloft should be ashamed of working on *insert game here*??

#21 Posted by themangalist (1731 posts) -

Dude, everyone on the internet does nothing but criticize other people. When were you when she's NOT criticizing people?

#22 Posted by X19 (2306 posts) -

If everyone just ignores her maybe she will commit suicide because she can't bare not getting enough attention. 

#23 Posted by TheVeteran13 (1202 posts) -

Leigh Alexander is an annoying bitch

#24 Posted by Shady (503 posts) -

@Animasta said:

eh, she writes good articles on gamasutra.

not saying she's not an asshole at times, but what is the difference between saying this and then saying people at gameloft should be ashamed of working on *insert game here*??

One is an obvious rip-off while the other is at least an original work.

#25 Edited by Garfield518 (404 posts) -

@MikkaQ said:

I love Jaffe's comeback. “leighalexander: If I'd worked on twisted metal I'd just lie and say I didn't” I love the fact that you think you'd be qualified to do [so]"

Leigh's comment was pretty uncalled for. Sure, criticize the game, but don't insult the people who made it, that's just rude.

Actually, his full response was, "I love the fact that you think you'd be qualified to do anything other than critique and judge the hard work other folks do. It's important to have goals, so good on you Alex!"

#26 Posted by Deathmachine117 (377 posts) -

I am glad I never heard of this woman until them videos posted above.

#27 Edited by Demoskinos (14710 posts) -

@Animasta: There isn't. I'm sure the people who work on gameloft games try their best at what they do. The people at the top might be complete shit people but the guys and girls in the trenches doing the hard work I'm sure try to do their best with what they are given.

#28 Posted by Animasta (14667 posts) -

@Shady said:

@Animasta said:

eh, she writes good articles on gamasutra.

not saying she's not an asshole at times, but what is the difference between saying this and then saying people at gameloft should be ashamed of working on *insert game here*??

One is an obvious rip-off while the other is at least an original work.

obvious rip offs require work too

#29 Posted by Shady (503 posts) -

@Animasta said:

@Shady said:

@Animasta said:

eh, she writes good articles on gamasutra.

not saying she's not an asshole at times, but what is the difference between saying this and then saying people at gameloft should be ashamed of working on *insert game here*??

One is an obvious rip-off while the other is at least an original work.

obvious rip offs require work too

At the rate they churn out games, it's nothing compared to other games.

#30 Posted by laserbolts (5317 posts) -

Im not sure whats more annoying Leigh Alexander or twitter. But yeah her tweets were pretty disrespectful.

#31 Posted by N7 (3578 posts) -

Aw man, that's not cool. I think, aside from how still-broken the Twisted Metal MP is(While still crazy fun), I think it's a very well made game. It's tight and polished. Aside from the story being Bananas, but that was intentionally dumb, of course.
 
Also, what do we say about trolls? Ignore them and they'll go away. Unless they think they have talent, then they'll never go away.

#32 Edited by believer258 (11771 posts) -

@JasonR86 said:

Hey Guys, I did a search on youtube for Leigh on Giant Bomb and I think these are relevant.

Anyway, sorry for that aside. Back to the topic...

I don't think I can say that she is the most annoying-sounding girl I have ever heard.

But, dammit, she is definitely in the top ten. I think I'd rather have my ears ground off by a cheesegrater than have to actually join in a conversation with her. And what the fuck does anime have to do with nazis?

Ask me, and she sounds like one of those girls that plays video games solely to attract guys that do nothing but play video games because it's the only thing she can do to get any attention.

...

...

Maybe I should stop being so judgemental...

#33 Edited by EarlessShrimp (1632 posts) -

@Demoskinos: That essentially sums up why some people are... less qualified (can be read as should never) to speak about video games and the industry?

@DeF said:

@EarlessShrimp said:

@Demoskinos: If you could, might you shoot me a pm of the link or just post one here of this incident? I would love it!

wait, so you missed the whole E32010 livestream debacle that had people going nuts in the comments/chat? you lucky bastard :)

That I did sir, that I did. I feel like it's a small section of history that I spent at a library instead of there... Maybe I am a lucky bastard?

@believer258: I got a little chuckle out of that one, but hey, you're entitled to your opinion, be it scathing or otherwise, of anyone. I mean, if people are allowed to be ridiculous through their medium, then you're allowed to yourself!

#34 Posted by SoldierG654342 (1758 posts) -

I used to be disgusted by the way the people on this site like to dog-pile on her just because of how she acted on the E3 podcast, but any inclination I might have had to defend her evaporated when she wrote an article calling for Jim Sterling to reclassify his reviews for Metacritic's sake.

#35 Posted by Demoskinos (14710 posts) -

@believer258: She was also REALLY drunk that night. But yeah... she is annoying drunk or not.

#36 Posted by I_smell (3925 posts) -

LOL, woah I didn't see this. I do have David Jaffe on Twitter, and he said something like "Don't worry, I'm not gonna let it get to me" this morning, but I didn't know what about.
 
I think it's fair to criticize games, but throwing the people who worked to make it under the bus is always a step over the line. We've all seen the documentaries and heard the stories about the insane time and hard that work goes into even the lamest- Dark Void or Velvet Assassin or something. A hundred things go wrong in every game, and calling people out is a different story than saying you didn't like playin it.
 
Also this isn't fuckin TMZ or whatever, people are supposed to just be chill in this industry.
+David Jaffe gets SO MUCH SHIT! I started really keepin an eye on the guy just a couple months ago, and he gets bullets from every fuckin angle! He gets less respect than Rodney Dangerfield, let me tell ya.

#37 Posted by Shady (503 posts) -

I'm basically of the opinion that I wished Ryan never invited her on the podcast. Not because she is more annoying than a house fly but that it gave her more exposure than she deserves.

#38 Posted by Getz (2995 posts) -

Leigh Alexander is smug, talentless, loud and self-important. If you just ignore her she'll go away. Where are all the good female game journos? First that fucking mess on Kotaku calling Jaffe a misogynist and now this.

#39 Posted by Jimbo (9796 posts) -

Sick burn, Jaffe, and imma let you finish, but the correct response is "<>".

#40 Posted by Demoskinos (14710 posts) -

@I_smell: I love the guy. He is honest and open with his fans and doesn't do PR bullshit. He flat out said that he didn't blame people for trading in Twisted Metal because the online is borked for some people. He also seemed legit concerned about the player experience and not just that he suckered a bunch of people to buy the game and give him a paycheck. Guy is a class act if you ask me even if he swears more than a sailor who smashed his finger with a hammer.

#41 Edited by Shady (503 posts) -

@Getz said:

Leigh Alexander is smug, talentless, loud and self-important. If you just ignore her she'll go away. Where are all the good female game journos? First that fucking mess on Kotaku calling Jaffe a misogynist and now this.

Wait. Kotaku actually posted that? The same Kotaku that still posts cosplay galleries and really creepy shit from Japan?

Well, it is a Gawker site.

Edit: How can you write so much and say absolutely nothing? It's like she's the female Tim Rogers.

#42 Posted by Hitchenson (4682 posts) -
#43 Edited by Demoskinos (14710 posts) -

@Shady: The only thing Kotaku had left going for them was Crecente's amazing hair and how Crecente is gone!

#44 Posted by themangalist (1731 posts) -

@Animasta said:

eh, she writes good articles on gamasutra.

not saying she's not an asshole at times, but what is the difference between saying this and then saying people at gameloft should be ashamed of working on *insert game here*??

Yes, she does write better articles than most other gaming "news outlets". I don't want to defend someone I don't really care about, but the negativity against her on giantbomb is a bit too much. Not saying she's not an asshole at times, but I personally think the same can be said about Patrick.

#45 Posted by ArcLyte (883 posts) -

$775m

#46 Edited by I_smell (3925 posts) -
@Demoskinos said:

@I_smell: I love the guy. He is honest and open with his fans and doesn't do PR bullshit. He flat out said that he didn't blame people for trading in Twisted Metal because the online is borked for some people. He also seemed legit concerned about the player experience and not just that he suckered a bunch of people to buy the game and give him a paycheck. Guy is a class act if you ask me even if he swears more than a sailor who smashed his finger with a hammer.

Yeah I started really following him cos I saw him on a Live IGN thing. He talked about the game all day, talked about what was hard, what didn't work, what got taken out. He shouted out to specific fans, joked around- one guy even called in to ask "I'm gonna get drunk and play Twisted Metal, what should I drink?" 
and Jaffe fuckin said "Oh, I don't drink. Sorry, man, I'm not a good person to ask about that, I wish I had somethin.... I do smoke pot though, on occasion, so maybe you could do that." COMPLETELY STRAIGHT!
 
Guy's genuine, humble, funny, you couldn't ask for a better interview. He even talked about his divorce, live on the show.
#47 Posted by Shady (503 posts) -

@themangalist said:

@Animasta said:

eh, she writes good articles on gamasutra.

not saying she's not an asshole at times, but what is the difference between saying this and then saying people at gameloft should be ashamed of working on *insert game here*??

Yes, she does write better articles than most other gaming "news outlets". I don't want to defend someone I don't really care about, but the negativity against her on giantbomb is a bit too much. Not saying she's not an asshole at times, but I personally think the same can be said about Patrick.

I don't see how she doesn't bring it on to herself. As for her articles, they are either sterile or flame bait. They aren't very good unless you have low standards for game articles.

#48 Posted by Tim_the_Corsair (3065 posts) -

She makes it hard to say anything nice about her, that's for sure.

#49 Posted by Fobwashed (1949 posts) -

@Demoskinos said:

@Shady: The only thing Kotaku had left going for them was Crecente's amazing hair and how Crecente is gone!

Good lord this guy looks like a pirate. All he needs is a damn parrot.

As for LA, all I know or care about is that she please stay away from future bombcasts. I couldn't care less about what she thinks about anything because she's proven herself time and time again to be a shitty journalist who just says bullshit and says it's from "sources" and thinks the way conversations work is to allow others to talk until something pops into her head at which point it's totally cool to just shout shit and be heard. Fuck letting anyone else finish a goddamn sentence. Just shout shit.

#50 Edited by Demoskinos (14710 posts) -

@I_smell: Dunno if you listen to them but Weekend Confirmed over at http://shacknews.com had Jaffe on a few weeks ago on the podcast. Great listen!