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#51 Posted by GTCknight (705 posts) -

@mooseymcman: I don't believe it does, but it has been awhile since I've read it. It does explain that they're terraformers from another planet. They eat everything and shit/bleed nano-machines that make any area affected uninhabitable for any form of native life, thus the reason why the U.N soldiers powered-armors cover the entire body. The mimics were also damn near impossible to kill, due to their harder then hell armor. Which was why both Rita and Keiji Kiriya (the main character of the light-novel) used battle axes instead of a sword. Hell even the way the time/respawn mechanic is different (from what I've read). It should be noted that Kiriya starts out as a pure greenhorn he was just another guy who had been conscripted for the losing war. he arrived start out of boot-camp.

The author of the LN used videogames as his inspiration for the whole time/respawn mechanic and it was the reason why Kiriya was a complete greenhorn.

Sorry for the info dump, I got carried away.

I've covered up the small origin behind the mimics due to it being a possible spoiler.

#52 Edited by GTCknight (705 posts) -

@humanity: The battle axes are important due to the fact it was the weight that it would have when used. A sword doesn't have the necessary weight that would be required, but then the film gets around this by making all of the mimics easier to kill than they were in the light-novel.

The weight as I recall was also one of the reasons that the piledrivers were effective too.

The axe weighed at 200kg and if I remember right it was made from tungsten carbide (I might be wrong about what it was from though)

#53 Posted by Seppli (10250 posts) -

@humanity: The battle axes are important due to the fact it was the weight that it would have when used. A sword doesn't have the necessary weight that would be required, but then the film gets around this by making all of the mimics easier to kill than they were in the light-novel.

The weight as I recall was also one of the reasons that the piledrivers were effective too.

The axe weighed at 200kg and if I remember right it was made from tungsten carbide (I might be wrong about what it was from though)

In the movie she wields a broken-off rotorblade. Like a massive hunk of a blade. You are being a pedant. No offense inteded, but it's the fitting word. Just go watch the movie...

#54 Edited by Seppli (10250 posts) -
@fredchuckdave said:

@seppli: Still can't edit, apologies for my unnecessary language. Seriously though your comment is on the beloved @darji's level, pure unadulterated creepiness. Whatever happened to that guy?

Hey, I'm creepy that way. I feel like they should have banged, for fuck's sake, because if I had unlimited time to spend with Emily Blunt, eventually I'd have my fill with her (that farmhouse scene comes to mind). I mean it's the end of the world and there's nothing better to do (other than saving the world).

#55 Edited by GnaTSoL (836 posts) -

See..... Anime isnt for jerks after all.....

#57 Edited by GTCknight (705 posts) -

@seppli: From everything I've read and a gif that I looked at they change everything and as a fan of the light-novel that makes me mad. I wouldn't mind, hell I was prepared for some changes. Yet, they've changed practically everything from then nature of the mimics, the loops, all the down to the ending. I have no trouble watching a average or bad film (I dressed up for predators), but I do have an issue with paying to go see a film that I will more than likely hate with a royal passion.

Since it seems you've seen the film I will ask you a question then. Will this film make me as someone who has both read the LN and enjoyed it angry as all hell?

Edit: sorry for the first post I didn't think it went through then when I was rewriting it I felt that it had too much anger in it, thus I changed it to try and not come off as complete ass.

#58 Edited by Seppli (10250 posts) -

@gtcknight said:

@seppli: From everything I've read and a gif that I looked at they change everything and as a fan of the light-novel that makes me mad. I wouldn't mind, hell I was prepared for some changes. Yet, they've changed practically everything from then nature of the mimics, the loops, all the down to the ending. I have no trouble watching a average or bad film (I dressed up for predators), but I do have an issue with paying to go see a film that I will more than likely hate with a royal passion.

Since it seems you've seen the film I will ask you a question then. Will this film make me as someone who has both read the LN and enjoyed it angry as all hell?

Edit: sorry for the first post I didn't think it went through then when I was rewriting it I felt that it had too much anger in it, thus I changed it to try and not come off as complete ass.

I haven't read the books. The movie is entertaining and fun in its own right. The real issue isn't the movie, it's your pedantry.

Not trying to be a dick or anything, but if the movie is a good time, why should the books, which are apparently a good time in their own right, make it any less enjoyable? Obviously you are into the subject matter, so why not go watch it and see for yourself? Most people enjoy the movie for what it is. If you cannot because of your pedantry, I guess that makes it your bad. I don't know, if I'd stand in the way of my own enjoyment like that, that'd be a reason for me to reevaluate myself.

So the answer is, depending on how anal you are about what's different, you might be butthurt by the end of this genuinely entertaining movie. If you aren't anal about things, you won't be butthurt, and have a good time instead. Unless of course you are a drama queen, and what you really enjoy is drama and hysteria. In that case you are already having the time of your life, not watching the movie. In that case, keep on not watching it, and be incensed about things that might or might not be different from the books.

#59 Posted by GTCknight (705 posts) -

@seppli: I just read apart of the film's ending the fact that Rita doesn't die (for good) is terrible. That whole moment was a great reveal in the novel.

I'll try to check it out today, but everything I keep reading about it makes me madder and madder. I don't see myself as a pedant since all I wanted from Hollywood was for them to at least try to keep the story of the novel that they had spent money to adapt roughly intact.

#60 Posted by Humanity (10060 posts) -

@gtcknight: From everything you've written so far I suggest to just not go see it. You seem to have a huge love for the novel and appear extremely distraught at any changes to the original formula. Seeing how worked up you're getting over the blade that Rita uses is already a clear sign that the rest of the movie will drive you insane. I read the novel, I thought it was a fun read - they change a bunch of stuff in this version and it was still a good movie to watch. It was different but I was not that tied down to the original.

For what it's worth I think the ending of the movie is better than the book in a way that only a movie could make it work. The quick cut to credits and music put a big smile on my face, even if it is robbed of the more somber tones of the novel.

#61 Posted by EVO (3941 posts) -

Best movie I've seen all year. 5 stars. The only thing that didn't make sense is how do they know they've lost "it"? Wouldn't they have to die again to know for sure?

#62 Edited by Seppli (10250 posts) -

@evo said:

Best movie I've seen all year. 5 stars. The only thing that didn't make sense is how do they know they've lost "it"? Wouldn't they have to die again to know for sure?

I guess the same way you know you aren't high or drunk anymore. You feel different. Normal.

#63 Edited by GTCknight (705 posts) -

@humanity: At this point after having read people just rave over and over about the film while also reading them point out things that make no sense in the movie, but is explained in the novel. I don't know whether I should see it or not. I was originally planning to, but then I started reading about all of the changes. I loved the novel for its great military/slightly hardcore scifi style story and how it didn't go for the easy happy ending route, which really surprised me in a good way.

As I stated before I was ready to put up with some changes, but I was completely unprepared for them to change every single little thing. That's where most of my anger is coming from the rest is just silent disappointment. Thus, why my first post simply had a gif of a character pouting. I had no intent of writing this much in here.

Ironically, this might be the first form topic on this site that I have written this many posts in, since I became a member way back when this site started the sign-in thing; I find that kinda funny.

#64 Edited by Humanity (10060 posts) -

@gtcknight: What others think really has no bearing on you - and it will all drive you nuts. If you want to spend money to sit in a theater and get completely irritated because the suits don't have limiters or that the mechanic isn't a cutesy anime girl but a professor then why torture yourself.

#65 Edited by Fredchuckdave (6136 posts) -

@seppli: Yeah but they had that scene and he got rejected, possibly thousands of times. That's why he got all pissed and just went apeshit the next life. A lesser film would have made it the way you wanted. Also Emily Blunt isn't that attractive, she's slightly above average for an actress. I mean her role is attractive in the movie for a variety of reasons and she played it near perfect so that makes her more psychologically attractive, but not physically.

Swords are more Japanese than axes therefore anime/manga fans should like the film better, not worse.

#66 Posted by bybeach (4994 posts) -

@fredchuckdave says- "Hate Tom Cruise? You'll love this movie too, he dies like 80 times."

Sold. Secondarily interested in the rest also. I still have to see Vanilla Sky...

#67 Edited by GTCknight (705 posts) -

@humanity: Thinks for the concern (and I don't mean that any kind of negative way), but the things you mentioned in that post don't really bother me that much. As I've been saying I expected moderate to average amounts of changes. It most likely didn't help that I was in kind of a bad mood due to work got home and as I was cooling down found about all of the major changes that felt unnecessary to me.

I've decided to go see the film, but I'll be treating it like a separate thing entirely. To be honest though everything I've been reading about it seems to suggest the film is far better than the western comic.

Oh and to

@seppli said:

@evo said:

Best movie I've seen all year. 5 stars. The only thing that didn't make sense is how do they know they've lost "it"? Wouldn't they have to die again to know for sure?

I guess the same way you know you aren't high or drunk anymore. You feel different. Normal.

A lttile bit of info from the novel. With out any insults or anything I just wanted to try and answer your confusion. I put it behind a spoiler wall to prevent potentially ruining the film.

Their brains were being bombarded with tachyons thus degrading their brains with each loop. Rita was affected more to her having looped over 290 times this was shown in the novel by her constantly being afflicted with headaches and migraines. Main (Cage/Kiriya) only dies a total 160 in the novel.

#68 Posted by Mikemcn (7018 posts) -

I want tom cruise to be not crazy again, so i'm glad he's having some decent roles/

#69 Edited by Fredchuckdave (6136 posts) -

@mikemcn: He'll always be crazy, that doesn't really have any bearing on his being an actor/a lot of the best actors are either crazy (Heath Ledger, Johnny Depp, Mel Gibson) or assholes (Brando, Bale, Connery, Mel Gibson).

#70 Edited by jakob187 (21757 posts) -

@fredchuckdave said:

@jakob187: Scorcese gets the James Cameron clause. Midget tossing is an art form, much like full frontal nudity in Titanic.

The full frontal nudity in Titanic wasn't due to Leonardo DiCaprio snorting coke from a chick's asshole. He was just drawing her! It was like...drawn nudity of actual nudity. It was...Nude-ception.

Now I'm forming a theory about how all of Leo's movies are tied together...

Also, I just learned that Christopher McQuarrie wrote the script. I always like his scripts (although not necessarily the movies attached to them). This basically guarantees my money going to a movie theatre in exchange for viewing of this film.

#71 Edited by Fredchuckdave (6136 posts) -

@jakob187: Hey man that sounds perfectly R for acclaimed, brilliant porn director Martin Scorcese. Dude worked with Bobby D when he wasn't a corpse. You fuck my wife? You talkin' to me? You snort coke out of my wife's asshole? Maybe fuck yourself.

The movie's doing about as well as Pacific Rim did last year, it'll still be profitable/break even because of overseas; though not like this garbage. It's a lot better than Pacific Rim, but I'd still recommend trying to get people to go see it.

#72 Posted by jakob187 (21757 posts) -

@fredchuckdave: Can I say how I'm kind-of-shocked-but-not-at-all-shocked that Fault In Our Stars is doing better than Edge of Tomorrow at the box office...during the summer...where something like Edge of Tomorrow should be slaying competition?

#73 Posted by Fredchuckdave (6136 posts) -
#74 Posted by jakob187 (21757 posts) -

@fredchuckdave: Where the hell is the Like button? I feel like there needs to be a Like button on individual forum posts already.

#75 Edited by Neonie (438 posts) -

@gtcknight: Pretty much. They systematically ripped every Japanese thing out of the movie and butchered it until it fit into every Hollywood summer blockbuster steryotype possible. Even the original NAME for the damn thing was better. "All you need is kill" is a goddamn awesome name that sticks with you. "Edge of tomorrow" just sounds like generic hollywood bullshit.

#76 Edited by MarkWahlberg (4610 posts) -

@mooseymcman said:

@gtcknight: I didn't even realize the movie was based on a book! Does the book explain why they're called Mimics? The movie doesn't, and that name doesn't make any sense at all (in the movie).

Haven't read the book, but I think it's supposed to be because of their tactics? They said early on that the invaders seemed to be matching and anticipating all their attacks and such, I figured they meant like they were 'mimicking' all of the human army's movements.

But yeah, this was a super fun movie. Smarter than you'd think it would be - even if it's not the most original premise, they really knew how to make it work. It's just nice to see an action movie that's done well, rather than just done big.

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#77 Edited by GTCknight (705 posts) -

@mooseymcman said:

@gtcknight: I didn't even realize the movie was based on a book! Does the book explain why they're called Mimics? The movie doesn't, and that name doesn't make any sense at all (in the movie).

Haven't read the book, but I think it's supposed to be because of their tactics? They said early on that the invaders seemed to be matching and anticipating all their attacks and such, I figured they meant like they were 'mimicking' all of the human army's movements.

But yeah, this was a super fun movie. Smarter than you'd think it would be - even if it's not the most original premise, they really knew how to make it work. It's just nice to see an action movie that's done well, rather than just done big.

That's mostly it. I haven't seen the film yet, but in the novel the mimics would perfectly counter every tactic humans used. No matter how many times humans preformed an airborne bombardment the mimics would either just go deeper underground or shoot all of the bombs out of the sky. The only option humanity had was to hit them with infantry, but even then the only battles that humans could win required Rita to be involved.

#78 Edited by Fredchuckdave (6136 posts) -

Well you anime kiddies can keep whining long as it bumps the thread and gets more people interested in the utterly fantastic western filmmaking.

#79 Posted by MooseyMcMan (11390 posts) -

@markwahlberg said:

@mooseymcman said:

@gtcknight: I didn't even realize the movie was based on a book! Does the book explain why they're called Mimics? The movie doesn't, and that name doesn't make any sense at all (in the movie).

Haven't read the book, but I think it's supposed to be because of their tactics? They said early on that the invaders seemed to be matching and anticipating all their attacks and such, I figured they meant like they were 'mimicking' all of the human army's movements.

But yeah, this was a super fun movie. Smarter than you'd think it would be - even if it's not the most original premise, they really knew how to make it work. It's just nice to see an action movie that's done well, rather than just done big.

That's mostly it. I haven't seen the film yet, but in the novel the mimics would perfectly counter every tactic humans used. No matter how many times humans preformed an airborne bombardment the mimics would either just go deeper underground or shoot all of the bombs out of the sky. The only option humanity had was to hit them with infantry, but even then the only battles that humans could win required Rita to be involved.

That's a much better explanation for why they had to use ground troops than I saw in the movie (though I admit I may have missed something). Through most of the movie I kept wondering why they hadn't just nuked the mimics.

#80 Edited by Humanity (10060 posts) -

@mooseymcman: Well the book explains as GTC mentioned that these were beings from some dying world that sent out probes all across the galaxy. When they hit earth they started terraforming the oceans. Initially the mimics were fat, slow and easy to kill and humanity thought it was easily winning. But they would evolve each time, getting faster and more deadly. As I remember after the terraforming would be complete the entire planet would be this toxic ball of gasses and the rest of the colony would come - I think? I actually sort of feel like reading the book again now.

The way the time mechanic worked was also really different in that the mimics were all connected to one another like a router and they were looking specifically for the Alpha - I don't remember the details of what they had to specifically do in order to kill the alpha and sever the link. I'm sure @gtcknight can elucidate.

#81 Posted by GTCknight (705 posts) -

@humanity said:

@mooseymcman: Well the book explains as GTC mentioned that these were beings from some dying world that sent out probes all across the galaxy. When they hit earth they started terraforming the oceans. Initially the mimics were fat, slow and easy to kill and humanity thought it was easily winning. But they would evolve each time, getting faster and more deadly. As I remember after the terraforming would be complete the entire planet would be this toxic ball of gasses and the rest of the colony would come - I think? I actually sort of feel like reading the book again now.

The way the time mechanic worked was also really different in that the mimics were all connected to one another like a router and they were looking specifically for the Alpha - I don't remember the details of what they had to specifically do in order to kill the alpha and sever the link. I'm sure @gtcknight can elucidate.

Been awhile since I've read the book, but if your asking about how to end the loops. First you have to find the Router/Server then sever its antenna then eliminate all of the back-up mimics (typically either 2 or 3) then can kill the Router. If you fuck up the order they will create a loop. They (the mimics) were searching specifically for the Abnormlity caused by Kiriya (who got trapped when he first killed the Router) they make multiple attempts to kill him, but each time he died it would cause a loop. The final loop happens because the mimics had isolated Kiriya from their network.

This is a small/big (depends on you) spoiler for the end of the novel.

Rita ends up being killed by Kiriya, because her brain had been turned into an antenna making her an extra back-up that the mimics could use.

#82 Edited by Gatehouse (709 posts) -

While I wasn't too sure about the very last bit of the ending, everything up until then had been cracking. The action was really frantic and fantastic, had a nicely judged atmosphere of futility and was actually really funny in spots. Also, Emily Blunt is all sorts of badass, which is always good to see (I totally didn't get that she was wielding a rotor blade off a helicopter, I just thought it was a really big, slightly oddly shaped sword).

#83 Edited by Fredchuckdave (6136 posts) -

The movie has made 110 million overseas so far so should be fine; not sure if it has debuted in China yet.

#84 Posted by Apparatus_Unearth (3245 posts) -

Nice to hear that it actually delivers on its great concept.

#85 Posted by Intro (1212 posts) -

Just saw it the other day, very solid movie that had me smiling the entire way through and never bored me for a moment.

#86 Edited by EXTomar (4940 posts) -

Edge of Tomorrow was a good summer action movie. Too bad it is being outdone by movies about dying teenagers and fairy tale revenge fantasy.

#87 Edited by Clonedzero (4196 posts) -

Watched it tonight, was a pretty damn good movie, i wasn't expecting it to be.

One super minor nitpick, which is just me being a nitpicky fuckwit. How the FUCK do they properly aim their arm and shoulder guns? They have no heads up display for targeting or anything like that. I woulda apperciated their helmet visor having a targeting HUD or maybe an eyepiece/visor with a HUD on it, but whatever, i can look past that. Still really bugged me.
Great movie though!

#88 Edited by Fredchuckdave (6136 posts) -

@clonedzero: Shoulder Guns seem to just be shoot straight and cause an enormous explosion, not much accuracy required. Arms you can likely get used to over time. Also there's only two competent soldiers and they've had an infinite amount of time to get to the point of being thus. Keep in mind the technology was developed within a couple months, tops.

#89 Posted by LaserLambert (172 posts) -

Already saw it twice, really solid movie, with endearing characters, a perfect balance of humor and drama in my opinion.

Probably the best action movie I've seen in quite a while, I certainly don't see anything surpassing it this year.

#90 Edited by Tru3_Blu3 (3242 posts) -

Just saw it today. Awesome and intelligent action flick. Anime dudes can't get over how dumb, yet overly serious their manga is and how this movie made everything in its setting as practical as possible while simultaneously not taking itself so seriously that it expects you to treat it as "art".

This is how you make a summer blockbuster, ladies and gentlemen. My only issue was:

The whole situation with Cage explaining to his squad about everything and it somehow being persuasive enough to be believed that they even side with him, as if it wasn't enough for them to believe in Cage after reciting and announcing their freaking names despite not knowing them previously. That didn't make much sense to me.

#91 Posted by Clonedzero (4196 posts) -

@clonedzero: Shoulder Guns seem to just be shoot straight and cause an enormous explosion, not much accuracy required. Arms you can likely get used to over time. Also there's only two competent soldiers and they've had an infinite amount of time to get to the point of being thus. Keep in mind the technology was developed within a couple months, tops.

Well, the shoulder guns swiveled and turned. Even with explosive weapons you still need to aim. It's not like we arm our troops with rocket launchers and go "eh, dont worry about it! you'll probably hit it!"

I mean its a clear design flaw oversight in the movie. Theres no way it'd ever be used if there was no proper way of aiming it. But like it said, thats just me with my nitpick hat on. Little things like this irk my ALOT in movies and games.

#92 Edited by CatsAkimbo (644 posts) -

@clonedzero said:

One super minor nitpick, which is just me being a nitpicky fuckwit. How the FUCK do they properly aim their arm and shoulder guns? They have no heads up display for targeting or anything like that. I woulda apperciated their helmet visor having a targeting HUD or maybe an eyepiece/visor with a HUD on it, but whatever, i can look past that. Still really bugged me.

Ah, this is the one time when tracers in a movie actually makes sense! Usually you see someone aiming down a sight and shooting a clip full of tracer bullets and it's pretty stupid, but it works here for the exact reason that the guns had no easy-to-use sight. Doesn't explain the rocket things though.

#93 Edited by Fredchuckdave (6136 posts) -

@clonedzero: They're not really concerned about friendly fire, this is clearly a Russian level strategy of throw as many troops at it as possible and see what happens. The turn function is only used very occasionally and one would assume with an infinite amount of time you would also be able to aim those; we never see a random soldier or even the raynors use them. It's also quite possible that the basic model doesn't have them since we never see how Tom Cruise lands on the beach after he talks to Rita, and whatever's happening in the pissed life is theoretically possible with just a normal mech/grenades.

#94 Posted by Zevvion (2361 posts) -

Hate Tom Cruise? You'll love this movie too, he dies like 80 times.

Spoilers asshole!

I joke.

#95 Edited by TheAcidSkull (736 posts) -

Let me just start by saying that the last movie I saw with Tom Cruise in it was Jack Reacher, and I have to say that it was kind of really mediocre, but I never had anything against the Actor, I think he's good when given a decent script, but Edge of Tomorrow was something I wasn't interested in at all, not with Days of Future past right around the corner. So because of the fact that I had nothing to do, I decided to give it a shot, I mean, it's a block buster so I see no reason why I could not have enjoyed myself watching this movie. ( At the very least on a superficial level). Suffice to say, I was pleasantly surprised.

The first thing you'll notice is the simplicity of the concepts in the movie, I mean, I'm sure the idea of re-living the same day over and over again has been used somewhere else at one point, be it a cartoon, video Game or even some other movie, but what's truly great about it is the execution, you can do this in various ways, but the directions they chose somehow gives you a feel of a linear story progression, which in all honesty is difficult to do, considering the fact that the notion of a reset button me interfere in many instances. Plus having realized the premise, I was kind of worried that that the character development of Cage(the main protagonist) might have been lost or tedious because when you reset his life you kind of have to go through the same events again, only through different means, so I'm glad that the writers managed to avoid that. I have to give them credit for skipping certain scenes and yet still somehow managing to show how Cage went from a pathetic coward to someone who would risk his life for just about any one. Now when I saw SKIP I don't mean that the movie leaves lose ends, I am implying that they successfully incorporate the transition and the repetition of the past events into a 2 hour( I think it was 2 hours? Can't say) long movie.

Moreover, Tom cruise is still a good actor, when given a good script he makes the character believable. Sure he may not have CLAIMED the role to the point where I could see no one replacing him, but he still did a great job and he made a lot of what was happening believable. Same goes for Emily blunt. Look, I haven't seen her in many roles, but I really liked her character here. Tough, rough and over all badass.

Furthermore, the movie knows what it is, and it manages to balance between comedic and serious/darker elements pretty well. I laughed a lot of times throughout the flick but I never thought it went too far, nor did I have the feeling that it was goofy, which would really clash with the films more gritty and serious moments. Oh, and I absolutely loved the alien designs. I really loved the fact that they did seem like a f*cking swarm of destruction; the way the moved, their speed and unity somehow made them much more threatening. Plus thous motherf*ckers were perfectly built for jump scares, which you will encounter a lot of times in the movie.

And Do I have to really mention the action sequences? I mean at this point the fact that i'm praising a summer action movie this much should imply that it has some seriously awesome moments. There are specific scenes which really stood out in my mind too, I won't spoilt them though, But I might as well mention that the design choice for the Alien monsters really helped boost the tension, speed and the fluidity of the clashes. Hell, even the training scenes were cool.

On the other hand, however, there were a couple of nitpicks I'd like to mention, even though they ESSENTIALLY don't get in the way of the enjoyment. I understand that when one re-lives a day again, and again, and again he eventually starts remembering things in great detail, which is all fine and dandy, but some of the information Cage possesses on certain characters is very, very personal, and considering the personality of the characters I'm referring too, I just can't imagine a possible way on how Cage could have acquired this info, so basically I'm saying that there should have been certain implications at the very least. Also, I'm not sure I understand on where the Time-Bar for the reawakening is set. When these creatures gave Cage the ability to re-live each day, both of the times Cage started the day from different points in time, and there is no clear explanation of why that happens. What is more, the ending kind of felt rushed a bit, I'm sure it would not have been a big deal to give Cage and Rita some closure, considering what they've been through. But like I said, these are minor complaints and essentially don't ruin or hinder the enjoyment of the movie. In fact, I'd say that if you can't close an eye on things like this once in a while, you won't be able to enjoy any blogbuster.

In the end I'd say that edge of time is more than you're typical blogbuster. If you go in wanting to see a typical action movie, you'll get more out of it, and you'll be pleasantly surprised like I was. I really enjoyed Edge of time, obviously, and I'd recommend it if you want to have a good time.

#96 Posted by Zevvion (2361 posts) -

Only watched this movie in the theater just now. I really liked it, though I am unclear on a few things. Most notably, I didn't get the ending. If Cage went back in time after killing the Omega, wouldn't the Omega thus be alive again? How come he kills it, goes back it time and it is the only thing that has changed? Everything else was literally the same as before. That part didn't make much sense to me. The only explanation I could see is that it's Omega's brain that no one can explain how it works. It happened the way it happened and you have to accept it because no one knows how it works. I think that's a shady and kind of poor ending to be honest.

Other than that, I really liked it. Didn't like the part where he lost the power much though. I hoped he would've had to use it until the end. Taking a hero's power away is an overrated/used trope. It's almost never fun to watch.

#97 Edited by Fredchuckdave (6136 posts) -

@zevvion: Well Tom Cruise's power is essentially invincibility so you can't not take it away, there would be no dramatic tension whatsoever. That's why Kryptonite exists etc. Also secures the character arc and so forth, might not have been the best part of the movie but it was perfectly competent.

The end is very open to interpretation but the general idea is that Tom Cruise is God and he can do whatever he wants since he absorbed the Omega's vital fluids. Obviously that doesn't really work for a movie so it's just an ending and a rather decisive one that leaves no room for sequel bait.

#98 Edited by Jensonb (1769 posts) -

Man it sounds like these guys should fire whoever made the trailers, because if this movie is as good as everyone says it is, those guys really screwed up. They make it look like pseudo-high-concept schlock with an inflated opinion of its own sense of humour, and I'm more than inclined to believe the overwhelming majority of opinions from watchers that it's not like that at all.

#99 Posted by Zevvion (2361 posts) -

@zevvion: Well Tom Cruise's power is essentially invincibility so you can't not take it away, there would be no dramatic tension whatsoever. That's why Kryptonite exists etc. Also secures the character arc and so forth, might not have been the best part of the movie but it was perfectly competent.

The end is very open to interpretation but the general idea is that Tom Cruise is God and he can do whatever he wants since he absorbed the Omega's vital fluids. Obviously that doesn't really work for a movie so it's just an ending and a rather decisive one that leaves no room for sequel bait.

I think the movie did a pretty good job of portraying how immorality is a curse, not a blessing and it could be used as a power, but isn't by default. There was no need to take it away. He was failing for the entire movie already, there was no need to add to it.

Yeah, I'm going to say I didn't care for the ending. But otherwise I really liked the movie. I'm actually going to move it to my 'going to buy on Blu Ray' list.

#100 Posted by CashBailey (805 posts) -

Saw it yesterday. It's a whole lot of fun.

Cruise and Blunt are terrific.