Posted by commandercup (500 posts) -

So, is it acceptable for students to pirate software, music, tv shows, movies etc.? The obvious argument I can see is that students have little to no income and thus can't afford to pay for everything. The general argument for piracy (some things just aren't worth the price) might also apply, but the big ringer is the fact that piracy is stealing period (right?).

#1 Posted by commandercup (500 posts) -

So, is it acceptable for students to pirate software, music, tv shows, movies etc.? The obvious argument I can see is that students have little to no income and thus can't afford to pay for everything. The general argument for piracy (some things just aren't worth the price) might also apply, but the big ringer is the fact that piracy is stealing period (right?).

#2 Posted by habster3 (3600 posts) -

Hell no!

#3 Posted by OllyOxenFree (4976 posts) -

Piracy is never OK.  Now you know, and knowing is half the battle.

#4 Posted by Manhattan_Project (2162 posts) -

NO

#5 Posted by Vinny_Says (5719 posts) -

the fuck, that's the dumbest thing I've heard

#6 Posted by rjayb89 (7726 posts) -

It's okay if you aren't caught, bro.

#7 Posted by ATrevelan (606 posts) -

I'd say no. I just dealt with the fact that I couldn't afford a lot of brand new things, so I enjoyed what I had and picked up some stuff at a much lower price a year or so later.

#8 Posted by SethPhotopoulos (5303 posts) -
@OllyOxenFree said:
" Piracy is never OK.  Now you know, and knowing is half the battle. "
The other half is like the first ten minutes of Saving Private Ryan.  It's not pretty.
#9 Posted by Meteora (5787 posts) -

Being able to pirate everything makes the college life dull and less challenging. No. 
 
Get a job.

#10 Posted by Rebirth1337 (795 posts) -

Who cares.

#11 Posted by BraveToaster (12589 posts) -
@commandercup said:
"  The obvious argument I can see is that students have little to no income and thus can't afford to pay for everything."
There's a recession going on. There are plenty of people out there who can't afford to pay for everything and aren't students.
#12 Posted by bobafettjm (1518 posts) -

Nope, I don't think it is ok to pirate something just because you don't have the money for it.

#13 Posted by Matfei90 (1288 posts) -

I purchase all my games... But I acquire software packages I need for uni (such as Photoshop, 3DSMax and Zbrush, etc) through other avenues.
 
Even student licenses for those packages stack up to an amount I cannot afford, but I'm not profiting off my use of them monetarily, so I see it as excuseable.

#14 Posted by Dantekiller (206 posts) -

all i have to say is to each there own i for example have a modded wii and games but the game i have i own, like Metroid Other M  
im playing it ahead of time but i already paid for the one at the store just waiting for release 

#15 Posted by AjayRaz (12440 posts) -
@rjayb89 said:
" It's okay if you aren't caught, bro. "
words of wisdom right there
#16 Posted by Ineedaname (4319 posts) -
@Rebirth1337 said:
" Who cares. "
I agree.
#17 Posted by No0b0rAmA (1490 posts) -

No fucking way, I'm a student and I have to pay for my own shit.
#18 Posted by Three0neFive (2297 posts) -

Piracy of software is the only acceptable piracy.  Unless it's independent software, then you're just a dick.
 
Do you really think it costs Adobe $400 to produce a digital copy of Photoshop? Same with Microsoft Office or the latest version of iLife (or whetever the fuck it's called, admittedly I don't keep up on apple products)? No. The only reason said software is so expensive is because companies know they can get away with it because there are always people who will happily accept being raped up the ass.

#19 Posted by commandercup (500 posts) -
@Matfei90:  There's a good point: what if the software is priced ridiculously? I get all my Microsoft software free from school, but things like Photoshop are just not possible realistically. 
 
To everyone asking "who cares", I'm just curious. I don't pirate much if at all and never games (but damn you Adobe!).
#20 Posted by blazerx9x (648 posts) -
@Meteora said:
" Being able to pirate everything makes the college life dull and less challenging. No.  Get a job. "
Word
#21 Posted by Rebirth1337 (795 posts) -

The company isn't losing money if the only way you would ever get their product is by piracy.  
Lets say I really wanted Photoshop but had no money. And couldn't ever afford to blow $400USD+ on it. The only way I would get it was to pirate it but if pirating wasn't here I would also never buy the software. So either way weather I could pirate it or not I wouldn't buy it. 

#22 Posted by Apathylad (3067 posts) -

Only if it's for educational purposes. :P You know, kinda how they say scanning books is illegal unless it's for school?

#23 Posted by Hourai (2795 posts) -

I don't think it's wrong if you were never going to buy it in the first place, because the developers don't lose anything. I do it all the time with video games I would never pay for, and most of the time I just play for them for a few days before getting bored. If I have any plans on playing the game often, then I'll save up and get it when I can. The only exception is if it's an old game that can be played on an emulator, 'cause I'm not paying $100 for it over eBay. 
 
Or maybe it's not fine. Either way, that's just what I do. 

#24 Posted by LordXavierBritish (6320 posts) -

Okay first off, all ya'll saying piracy is never okay are retarded. There are numerous reasons that some people need to pirate digital media. Just because you guys can afford shit doesn't mean everyone can. I mean, let's look at, oh I don't know, pretty much every single country in or around South America. They get totally and completely fucked over on everything when it comes to entertainment with all the outrageous importation tax and shit. 
 
Secondly, yo it's hard a fucking enough for some people without all of you trying to bring your false moral pretenses up in here. So guy wants to save a few bucks for, oh I dunno, food? Does that mean he shouldn't be able to play some god damn games once in awhile? I mean hell, I know I've stopped playing a lot of new games simply because I don't have the money to pay $60 for a god damn game. I need $60. $60 is pretty decent chunk of money. 
 
Now let's talk about software, like real software. How many people out there with Photoshop or Flash do you think got it legally? Not a majority. That shit is like over $600, for the one program. There is no way in hell someone is going to pay that much money for god damn Adobe software when they don't need it for their job. Are there some people that probably have? Yeah, probably. That's a minuscule percentage though. Then comes the question of how is dude gonna get a job if he doesn't know how to use the software? Could he? Yeah. Are the going to hire the more experienced applicant? Yep. 
 
I don't even know why i'm trying to explain all this shit to you people. 
 
This should be obvious.

#25 Posted by SethPhotopoulos (5303 posts) -
@LordXavierBritish said:
" Okay first off, all ya'll saying piracy is never okay are retarded. "
Statement null and void.
#26 Edited by OllyOxenFree (4976 posts) -
@LordXavierBritish said:

Shit.

You are a bad bad person.  For shame!
 
Also, I lol'd at "this should be obvious".  Hey, sup, if you can't afford something, then wait until you can!  You don't have to buy the game at release date.  You can wait until the price drops and buy it used if you have to.  
 
It's as simple as "If you can't afford it, then you can't have it.".  As for Photoshop, there are other alternative freeware image editing programs such as Gimp.  Sure a lot of people just illegally download PS but that's just it -- it's illegal.
#27 Posted by No0b0rAmA (1490 posts) -
@Three0neFive said:
"Piracy of software is the only acceptable piracy.  Unless it's independent software, then you're just a dick. Do you really think it costs Adobe $400 to produce a digital copy of Photoshop? Same with Microsoft Office or the latest version of iLife (or whetever the fuck it's called, admittedly I don't keep up on apple products)? No. The only reason said software is so expensive is because companies know they can get away with it because there are always people who will happily accept being raped up the ass. "

So since you shouldn't pay $400, you obviously deserve it for free right?
#28 Posted by LordXavierBritish (6320 posts) -
@SethPhotopoulos: I'm sorry sir, you aren't retarded. Retarded people go around accepting their opinions as fact and then completely ignoring opposing arguments. 
 
Wait.
#29 Posted by GreggD (4507 posts) -
@LordXavierBritish: Quit using retarded in the wrong context. You sound like an idiot.
#30 Posted by SethPhotopoulos (5303 posts) -
@LordXavierBritish: Starting your argument with "Your all retarded!!!" isn't helpful.
#31 Posted by No0b0rAmA (1490 posts) -
@LordXavierBritish said:
"Okay first off, all ya'll saying piracy is never okay are retarded. There are numerous reasons that some people need to pirate digital media. Just because you guys can afford shit doesn't mean everyone can. I mean, let's look at, oh I don't know, pretty much every single country in or around South America. They get totally and completely fucked over on everything when it comes to entertainment with all the outrageous importation tax and shit.  Secondly, yo it's hard a fucking enough for some people without all of you trying to bring your false moral pretenses up in here. So guy wants to save a few bucks for, oh I dunno, food? Does that mean he shouldn't be able to play some god damn games once in awhile? I mean hell, I know I've stopped playing a lot of new games simply because I don't have the money to pay $60 for a god damn game. I need $60. $60 is pretty decent chunk of money.  Now let's talk about software, like real software. How many people out there with Photoshop or Flash do you think got it legally? Not a majority. That shit is like over $600, for the one program. There is no way in hell someone is going to pay that much money for god damn Adobe software when they don't need it for their job. Are there some people that probably have? Yeah, probably. That's a minuscule percentage though. Then comes the question of how is dude gonna get a job if he doesn't know how to use the software? Could he? Yeah. Are the going to hire the more experienced applicant? Yep.  I don't even know why i'm trying to explain all this shit to you people.  This should be obvious. "

I feel like eating some ice cream from somewhere really expensive. But I don't have the 30 bucks to buy that extremely fucking expensive ice cream, I need to buy my real meals with that money. But does that mean I shouldn't be able to eat good ice cream once in a while? 
 
So according to your logic, I can go break into every store I want to get shit I can't afford. Shit, Ipads are real damn expensive, and it's definatly not worth $600, so I'm fucking going to break into an Apple store and take one. 
 
I hope I'm understanding your response wrong, and it's infact about how in the real world, you need to pay for shit.
#32 Posted by LordXavierBritish (6320 posts) -
@GreggD: I like using the word retarded to spite New Jersey. 
 
@SethPhotopoulos: You're ability to drag out an argument without responding to my points isn't helpful either.
#33 Posted by Beforet (2927 posts) -

This shit again? Hasn't this topic already been beaten into the ground?

#34 Posted by commandercup (500 posts) -
@Hourai said:
" I don't think it's wrong if you were never going to buy it in the first place, because the developers don't lose anything. I do it all the time with video games I would never pay for, and most of the time I just play for them for a few days before getting bored. If I have any plans on playing the game often, then I'll save up and get it when I can. The only exception is if it's an old game that can be played on an emulator, 'cause I'm not paying $100 for it over eBay.  Or maybe it's not fine. Either way, that's just what I do.  "
I always thought that this argument was totally bs. Have you ever bought a game after pirating it? I don't see how this is a justification since if you have no interest in buying it (and by extension, playing it for any extended period of time), why are you pirating it?
#35 Posted by SethPhotopoulos (5303 posts) -
@LordXavierBritish said:
" Okay first off, all ya'll saying piracy is never okay are retarded. There are numerous reasons that some people need to pirate digital media. Just because you guys can afford shit doesn't mean everyone can. I mean, let's look at, oh I don't know, pretty much every single country in or around South America. They get totally and completely fucked over on everything when it comes to entertainment with all the outrageous importation tax and shit.  Secondly, yo it's hard a fucking enough for some people without all of you trying to bring your false moral pretenses up in here. So guy wants to save a few bucks for, oh I dunno, food? Does that mean he shouldn't be able to play some god damn games once in awhile? I mean hell, I know I've stopped playing a lot of new games simply because I don't have the money to pay $60 for a god damn game. I need $60. $60 is pretty decent chunk of money.  Now let's talk about software, like real software. How many people out there with Photoshop or Flash do you think got it legally? Not a majority. That shit is like over $600, for the one program. There is no way in hell someone is going to pay that much money for god damn Adobe software when they don't need it for their job. Are there some people that probably have? Yeah, probably. That's a minuscule percentage though. Then comes the question of how is dude gonna get a job if he doesn't know how to use the software? Could he? Yeah. Are the going to hire the more experienced applicant? Yep.  I don't even know why i'm trying to explain all this shit to you people.  This should be obvious. "
Fine then. 
 
1.) I can't afford shit but I don't steal entertainment. 
2.) Pay for food, leave some money on the side for games or other forms of entertainment. 
3.) Wait for the price to go down, games do that you know. 
4.) The people that buy shit legally get hurt by pirates since prices will start going up faster like the 360's new online prices being like $15 instead of $10.  
5.) There are more jobs than the ones that require computer programs.
#36 Posted by commandercup (500 posts) -
@SethPhotopoulos:  On point #4, I don't think piracy is a big factor in the reason why games increase in price. I'm sure there's some write-up somewhere on why game prices go up, but mainly I'd attribute that to inflation, rising costs of development/marketing and the ability to do so (which obviously generates more revenue).
#37 Posted by SethPhotopoulos (5303 posts) -
@commandercup: I think that the ability to develop the newest tech is the leading cause of rising prices along with inflation but if it continues and game companies are making less, they are going to do something.
#38 Posted by No0b0rAmA (1490 posts) -
@SethPhotopoulos:
The problem for people who buy legally (for PC people at least) is the fact that developers just release console ports or have the world's shittiest drm because of pirates.
#39 Posted by SethPhotopoulos (5303 posts) -
@No0b0rAmA: I want all games to do the Arkham Asylum thing though instead.
#40 Posted by No0b0rAmA (1490 posts) -
@SethPhotopoulos:
I am all for screwing pirates over. They should put a fatal virus or a adware that keeps on popping up on people who pirate games.
#41 Posted by commandercup (500 posts) -
@SethPhotopoulos:  Yes, although that really isn't foolproof since I'm guessing that rocksteady leaked a copy out that had the problem in it? Otherwise, it would be exactly like DRM, except it wouldn't just force the game not to start.
#42 Posted by SethPhotopoulos (5303 posts) -
@commandercup: I think it would be funny to hear all the stories of people pirating a game and can't get past a certain point early in the game because it's missing something vital.
#43 Posted by LordXavierBritish (6320 posts) -
@SethPhotopoulos said:
" Fine then.  1.) I can't afford shit but I don't steal entertainment. 2.) Pay for food, leave some money on the side for games or other forms of entertainment. 3.) Wait for the price to go down, games do that you know. 4.) The people that buy shit legally get hurt by pirates since prices will start going up faster like the 360's new online prices being like $15 instead of $10.  5.) There are more jobs than the ones that require computer programs. "
  1. Good for you. That doesn't prove anything. 
  2. You could do that, but if you are poor as shit then why do that when you could get games for free? Why should you subject yourself to that kind of finical risk when an easier option is available? 
  3.  And? I really fail to see your point here. 
  4. 360 games aren't pirated nearly as much as PC games or the portables. Microsoft marked those prices up because they could. You are right though, piracy does hurt the consumer, but only because publishers try to find ways around piracy instead of living with it. Pirates will always pirate no matter what barriers are put up in their path, that's just the way it is. By companies steadily increasing these obstacles they just end up hurting the consumer instead of their intended target. Plenty of indie musicians, game developers, and the like live with piracy as a reality and plenty of them have made careers out of their work. 
  5. I know a guy myself who is getting into digital art as a potential future career. That is his passion, and he wants to devote his life to it. Problem is, he is just starting college and he doesn't have any money for the software required to hone his skills. Should he just abandon his dreams because Adobe decides to mark up their software to insane prices? I don't think so, but then again I'm one to believe that every person is entitled to pursue what they want most.
#44 Edited by Sooty (8082 posts) -

If you want to pirate something then just do it, it's up to you. Why should you care what people on the net think? Joe average pirates music, heck a lot of people in this thread that say it's wrong probably pirate music.
 
People taking the moral highway over piracy on the Internet are always amusing. You can say it's wrong but don't bother calling people scum over it and such, piracy isn't in the same league as breaking into somebody's house and stealing physical possessions.
 
Edit: I download TV shows (takes fucking ages for US shows to air in the UK mostly, plus I get them in HD), some films, music and the odd app, only Photoshop really. I used to pirate games but now I always buy them on Steam. I also got rid of my modded 360 and went legit.

#45 Posted by No0b0rAmA (1490 posts) -
@LordXavierBritish:
You as a PC Gamer should know that piracy is destroying PC gaming. Imagine being an indie game dev, you put hours of work for 2 whole years, only to find out that people are pirating you game 24 hours after release. Your basically inconvinencing other people by making devs add drm thats real damn restrictive
#46 Posted by Afroman269 (7387 posts) -

Say no to piracy. If you do want to pirate then keep it to yourself and not say you're doing it like I do. Wait a second........

#47 Posted by SethPhotopoulos (5303 posts) -
@LordXavierBritish said:
" @SethPhotopoulos said:
" Fine then.  1.) I can't afford shit but I don't steal entertainment. 2.) Pay for food, leave some money on the side for games or other forms of entertainment. 3.) Wait for the price to go down, games do that you know. 4.) The people that buy shit legally get hurt by pirates since prices will start going up faster like the 360's new online prices being like $15 instead of $10.  5.) There are more jobs than the ones that require computer programs. "
  1. Good for you. That doesn't prove anything. 
  2. You could do that, but if you are poor as shit then why do that when you could get games for free? Why should you subject yourself to that kind of finical risk when an easier option is available? 
  3.  And? I really fail to see your point here. 
  4. 360 games aren't pirated nearly as much as PC games or the portables. Microsoft marked those prices up because they could. You are right though, piracy does hurt the consumer, but only because publishers try to find ways around piracy instead of living with it. Pirates will always pirate no matter what barriers are put up in their path, that's just the way it is. By companies steadily increasing these obstacles they just end up hurting the consumer instead of their intended target. Plenty of indie musicians, game developers, and the like live with piracy as a reality and plenty of them have made careers out of their work. 
  5. I know a guy myself who is getting into digital art as a potential future career. That is his passion, and he wants to devote his life to it. Problem is, he is just starting college and he doesn't have any money for the software required to hone his skills. Should he just abandon his dreams because Adobe decides to mark up their software to insane prices? I don't think so, but then again I'm one to believe that every person is entitled to pursue what they want most.
"
2.)   You could do that, but if you are poor as shit then why do that when you could get games for free? Why should you subject yourself to that kind of finical risk when an easier option is available?  
  
I don't have an x-box but I'll take yours because I can't afford one. 
 
3.) And? I really fail to see your point here. 
 
The point is wait for it to be affordable instead of feeling entitled to something.  
 
4.)  Doesn't help they're perception of pirating if people pirate which still hurts us. 
 
5.) I'm sure colleges give those programs to students that need it since my friend was able to get it from the school.
#48 Posted by Jeffsekai (7042 posts) -
@commandercup said:
" So, is it acceptable for students to pirate software, music, tv shows, movies etc.? The obvious argument I can see is that students have little to no income and thus can't afford to pay for everything. The general argument for piracy (some things just aren't worth the price) might also apply, but the big ringer is the fact that piracy is stealing period (right?). "
My friend is in a Graphic Design Class and he is pretty much expected to pirate photoshop and such to do the course.
#49 Posted by RJay_64 (631 posts) -

I would pirate school college textbooks if they were available on torrent.
 
I would not feel one bit of remorse either.  

#50 Posted by LordXavierBritish (6320 posts) -
@SethPhotopoulos said:
" 2.)   You could do that, but if you are poor as shit then why do that when you could get games for free? Why should you subject yourself to that kind of finical risk when an easier option is available?    I don't have an x-box but I'll take yours because I can't afford one.  3.) And? I really fail to see your point here.  The point is wait for it to be affordable instead of feeling entitled to something.   4.)  Doesn't help they're perception of pirating if people pirate which still hurts us.  5.) I'm sure colleges give those programs to students that need it since my friend was able to get it from the school. "  
  1. You can't equate piracy to stealing from another person. Technically you are stealing directly from the producer of the content. 
  2. You are right. Poor people don't deserve anything. 
  3. @Jeffsekai said:
    " My friend is in a Graphic Design Class and he is pretty much expected to pirate photoshop and such to do the course. "