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#51 Posted by Yanngc33 (4496 posts) -

Poor DC. They try so hard. This movie is guaranteed money because people still like Batman, but as mentioned above, the whole Zack Snyder part leaves me less than optimistic. At least the action scenes will be well-shot.

I haven't seen Man of Steel yet but I hear it's better than Sucker Punch so it must be pretty ok. Snyder can make pretty cool movies (sometimes) so I wouldn't write this one off just yet. Plus, if Christopher Nolan produces, one could hope that it won't be too big of a disaster.

#52 Posted by joshwent (2167 posts) -

Snyder is the Rob Leifeld of movies. So of course DC loves him.

Also, fuck Zack Synder.

#53 Posted by Redbullet685 (6034 posts) -

I really like Dawn of The Dead, Watchmen and 300. He's good at making movies out of existing material. Haven't seen Man of Steel yet (I've heard good things) and don't really care to see Sucker Punch but I think Snyder can probably do an alright job with this.

#54 Edited by EXTomar (4677 posts) -

@fredchuckdave said:

Snyder isn't a bad director he's simply mediocre; a notch or two above Michael Bay.

This. He seems to believe he can cover up movie and story issues with being moody with CG action which is pretty but leaves me thinking "this is pretty dumb".

#55 Posted by benpicko (2005 posts) -

Snyder isn't a bad director he's simply mediocre; a notch or two above Michael Bay.

Michael Bay is a notch or two below bad though

#56 Posted by Brenderous (1099 posts) -

Awesome.

Damnit.

#57 Posted by FengShuiGod (1482 posts) -

Justin Timberlake as Batman?

#58 Posted by Fredchuckdave (5353 posts) -

@benpicko: Well Michael Bay has made a few decent movies amid all the garbage so I think its a fair enough comparison; Michael Bay is 90-95% bad, Zack Snyder is more like 60-65% bad.

#59 Posted by churrific (478 posts) -

Lol damn that's a shitty logo.

#60 Posted by The_Laughing_Man (13629 posts) -

The Dark Night Returns please.

#61 Posted by Oldirtybearon (4712 posts) -

I'm just not interested in a Superman/Batman buddy cop movie, which is exactly what this would be.

Zack Snyder directing doesn't bother me. Dawn, 300, Watchmen, Man of Steel, the dude has some pretty great movies under his belt. Sure he made Sucker Punch but hell, Nolan made Inception. Every filmmaker has a stinker or two in their filmography.

Sidenote: the comic book fandom seems to love riding Nolan's nuts for his Batman movies. Why? The first two are good, sure, but I'm not seeing how stripping everything fun or heroic out of a character and making the film dark and broody nets him fans when anyone else who tries it gets burned at the stake.

#62 Posted by Intro (1206 posts) -

Over/under 90% on how many people who say it looks like shit will go see it the first week?

#63 Posted by Vonocourt (2126 posts) -

Stealth reboot of Batman to move the character away from the tone of the Nolan films? I'd be all for that instead of another origins film.

#64 Posted by MariachiMacabre (7077 posts) -

I'm just not interested in a Superman/Batman buddy cop movie, which is exactly what this would be.

Zack Snyder directing doesn't bother me. Dawn, 300, Watchmen, Man of Steel, the dude has some pretty great movies under his belt. Sure he made Sucker Punch but hell, Nolan made Inception. Every filmmaker has a stinker or two in their filmography.

Sidenote: the comic book fandom seems to love riding Nolan's nuts for his Batman movies. Why? The first two are good, sure, but I'm not seeing how stripping everything fun or heroic out of a character and making the film dark and broody nets him fans when anyone else who tries it gets burned at the stake.

Comparing Sucker Punch and Inception is a laughable concept. One is a garbled mess of action scenes and lame characters that was critically panned and barely made it's budget back. The other was beloved by both critics and audiences and made almost a billion at the box office. Come on. You may not like Inception but they aren't even remotely comparable in quality or success.

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#65 Posted by Mikemcn (6980 posts) -

Screw up Super-D-Duper man all you want, but stop making bad batman movies, PLEASE. Christopher Nolan made Batman cool again, lets keep it that way.

#66 Posted by Andorski (5268 posts) -

@mikemcn said:

Screw up Super-D-Duper man all you want, but stop making bad batman movies, PLEASE. Christopher Nolan made Batman cool again, lets keep it that way.

I dunno... I found Bale's Bruce Wayne to be kind of a bitch in Rises.

#67 Posted by JasonR86 (9657 posts) -

At best this movie can only be average and boring. And, as someone who barely reads comics, crossovers like this seem dumb as hell. These universes couldn't be more different in my mind. Why they would be combined escapes me.

#68 Posted by MariachiMacabre (7077 posts) -

@jasonr86 said:

At best this movie can only be average and boring. And, as someone who barely reads comics, crossovers like this seem dumb as hell. These universes couldn't be more different in my mind. Why they would be combined escapes me.

Because they're not different universes. Bruce Wayne owns The Daily Planet and Clark Kent's apartment building. Marvel and DC both do it. It's why the Avengers and the Justice League exist.

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#69 Edited by gaminghooligan (1435 posts) -

@jasonr86 said:

At best this movie can only be average and boring. And, as someone who barely reads comics, crossovers like this seem dumb as hell. These universes couldn't be more different in my mind. Why they would be combined escapes me.

They're in the same universe, however throwing them together like this with the whole "Your favs are teaming up!" angle is a little weird.

I figured they would at least do a JLA movie before something like this to establish the relationships between the characters and the universe a little better. Snyder reading that DKR quote has me worried, since if there is one story I DON'T want Snyder's hands on it's Dark Knight Returns. That being said and having expressed my distaste in Snyder as the director, I'll give him some credit. The guy who did the Dawn of the Dead remake is in there somewhere trying to get out.

@andorski: I'm with you on Rises, that movie didn't sit well with me after a second viewing, and what was eating at me was just how lame Batman had become. Also Batman doesn't quit being Batman.

#70 Posted by BaconGames (3371 posts) -

Shoot it in black and white and have it all be about Lois Lane's abortion and Batman addiction to heroin. Surprise me Zack Snyder.

#71 Posted by DarthOrange (3858 posts) -

Man this is like hearing Strider is getting an HD remake and then finding out Double Helix is working on it.

That said I will watch this regardless. :(

#72 Posted by Coolarman (709 posts) -

I used to believe in Snyder. I believed he was capable of making a good movie. But now I'm done with him.

#73 Edited by Deusoma (3005 posts) -

@fredchuckdave said:

Snyder isn't a bad director he's simply mediocre; a notch or two above Michael Bay.

You and I have very different definitions of the word "mediocre", then, because Michael Bay is waaaaaaay better than most people give him credit for. :P

#74 Posted by MariachiMacabre (7077 posts) -

@deusoma said:

@fredchuckdave said:

Snyder isn't a bad director he's simply mediocre; a notch or two above Michael Bay.

You and I have very different definitions of the word "mediocre", then, because Michael Bay is waaaaaaay better than most people give him credit for. :P

I don't know. The Transformers movies are pretty god-awful. Transformers 2 also happened to be racist as fuck.

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#75 Posted by Tajasaurus (843 posts) -

@chaser324: I thought that the pacing in all three of those animated movies was weeeeird. Dark Knight Returns kept in a lot of the darker stuff, which I was super surprised about, though.

The only Zack Snyder movie I have ever seen is Dawn of the Dead, and that was a'ight.

#76 Posted by Gruff182 (855 posts) -
@ez123 said:

@random45 said:

@flappy said:

Huh...I guess this finally makes that I Am Legend billboard accurate.

You just casually mention this as if that billboard is common knowledge. Were you just waiting for this day to come, so you could say that? I don't understand why you'd specifically keep that billboard in mind otherwise.

How weirdly confrontational. I Am Legend is absolutely my first thought when I see that logo.

Same.

In fact I don't remember much else from that film.

#77 Posted by Seppli (10251 posts) -

I'm happy. Visually Snyder has been one of the most influental directors of the last decade. For some reason, it's become hip to hate on his work. Outside of Suckerpunch, which was all flash and no substance, all of his works are either great (Dawn of the Dead, 300, Watchmen) or good (Guardians of Ga'Hool, Man of Steel). Watchmen Ultimate Cut is currently my favorite movie, I give it a watch every year or two.

Superman/Batman will be awesome. It's not likely not go down the Dragonball Z route like the latter half of Man of Steel, and I really liked the character building bits at the beginning of Man of Steel. Looking foward to see the rivarly and friendship between Batman and Superman develop, and how Snyder will show how Batman can keep up with Supes. That's going to be rad.

Also - please let there be Martian Manhunter.

#78 Posted by LiquidPrince (15909 posts) -

Synder and Bay get too much shit from the supposed "intellectual" movie community... They both make popcorn movies like no others and they both have flair. Unlike that piece of shit Del Toro recently released... Super stoked about this new movie.

#79 Posted by JazGalaxy (1576 posts) -

1) it's funny that people are saying Zachary Snyder can't do batman. When I first saw the opening to sucker punch, the first thing I thought was " why isn't this Gotham city!?!" It was perfect and exactly what was missing from Nolan's awful batman films.

2) this movie will suck. What makes batman vs. superman interesting isn't a slugfest. It's the conflict of the character dynamics and the deep psychology at play. Neither character has been well established enough in movie form for any of this to play out. It has to be the worlds strongest vs. the worlds smartest, and batman has never been all that smart in the films. Nolan batman was honestly really putzy.

#80 Posted by Oldirtybearon (4712 posts) -

Comparing Sucker Punch and Inception is a laughable concept. One is a garbled mess of action scenes and lame characters that was critically panned and barely made it's budget back. The other was beloved by both critics and audiences and made almost a billion at the box office. Come on. You may not like Inception but they aren't even remotely comparable in quality or success.

I didn't say they were equally bad. I said both Nolan and Snyder had stinkers in their filmography. Inception was a stinker. It's a bad movie. It, like Sucker Punch, is pretentious. They both aspired to be something meaningful and they both failed at it. That makes them pretty similar.

Next you'll be gauging the success of the Transformers franchise to say those are good movies. Christ.

#81 Posted by EvilNiGHTS (1093 posts) -

I imagine it'll be like that feature length episode of Superman: TAS, only less awesome. Perhaps even not awesome.

#82 Edited by Vitor (2815 posts) -

@mariachimacabre said:

Comparing Sucker Punch and Inception is a laughable concept. One is a garbled mess of action scenes and lame characters that was critically panned and barely made it's budget back. The other was beloved by both critics and audiences and made almost a billion at the box office. Come on. You may not like Inception but they aren't even remotely comparable in quality or success.

I didn't say they were equally bad. I said both Nolan and Snyder had stinkers in their filmography. Inception was a stinker. It's a bad movie. It, like Sucker Punch, is pretentious. They both aspired to be something meaningful and they both failed at it. That makes them pretty similar.

Next you'll be gauging the success of the Transformers franchise to say those are good movies. Christ.

I think Inception is vastly overrated but still think the comparison to Sucker Punch is laughable hyperbole. Inception is morally questionable and overly self-satisfied but at no point is it poorly directed, shot badly or a fucking mess of a film. Sucker Punch is all of the above.

Then again, you seem to think Man of Steel, Watchmen and 300 are decent films so your yardstick for film reviews isn't exactly in line with most critical thought.

#83 Posted by joshwent (2167 posts) -

@seppli said:

I'm happy. Visually Snyder has been one of the most influental directors of the last decade.

Other than being blatantly ripped off by Shyamalan in The Last Airbender, Snyder being "influential" is a joke.

The dude could be a solid art director, he has a great eye for composition and style, but his ego compels him to take the director's chair where he just makes utterly vapid pretty pictures.

#84 Posted by Yadilie (380 posts) -

@vitor: Inception is a pretty meh movie. Majority of the film is spent listening to the info dump character tell everyone what is actually happening. More or less stereotypical American film. Hall scene was neat but meh.

#85 Posted by Epidehl (286 posts) -

@joshwent said:

@seppli said:

I'm happy. Visually Snyder has been one of the most influental directors of the last decade.

Other than being blatantly ripped off by Shyamalan in The Last Airbender, Snyder being "influential" is a joke.

The dude could be a solid art director, he has a great eye for composition and style, but his ego compels him to take the director's chair where he just makes utterly vapid pretty pictures.

Wouldn't the Wachowskis be the influential ones? Zack Snyder's main "thing" (random slow-motion hits) is basically ripped from the Matrix, isn't it?

#86 Posted by Oldirtybearon (4712 posts) -

@vitor said:

I think Inception is vastly overrated but still think the comparison to Sucker Punch is laughable hyperbole. Inception is morally questionable and overly self-satisfied but at no point is it poorly directed, shot badly or a fucking mess of a film. Sucker Punch is all of the above.

Then again, you seem to think Man of Steel, Watchmen and 300 are decent films so your yardstick for film reviews isn't exactly in line with most critical thought.

You're absolutely right. I should lash myself for enjoying popcorn movies as popcorn movies. Every film I like doesn't have to be Citizen Kane, man. There's no problem with liking a popcorn movie like Pacific Rim or 300. I can enjoy Lethal Weapon and still like Rashomon. There's no law that says I can't and this idea that because I do enjoy popcorn movies I can't have a worthwhile critical opinion of films is fucking juvenile. Maybe that's not what you meant by that critical thought comment, but the insinuation remains, all the same.

Anyway.

Inception isn't a good movie because it has a plot that makes no sense. It's a bad movie because it's ultimately a heist film with a clever hook that feels like it should probably say something poignant about reality and dreams and people in general. It's, as you said, self-satisfied and I think it's probably the biggest insight into Nolan's opinion of his own work. It's smug, pretentious, and ultimately rambling. Is it shot well? Sure, it's shot well. That doesn't make it a good movie, or any less of a bad movie than Sucker Punch, however.

And as for Sucker Punch, it's a fucking mess. I don't think I've ever defended that movie. It may be visually distinct, but when you've got a director who knows visual art and doesn't understand story telling, that's what happens. Like Inception, Sucker Punch tried to be something more than it is. It tried to be poignant, and yet it fell flat because its author isn't equipped with the experience or the tools to tackle subjects like child abuse, rape, misogyny, and mental health with any degree of tact. It's taking a sledgehammer to a nail. It's a film wrapped up in allegory and blunt analogies that smack the poor viewer upside the head repeatedly. Whether Snyder made the film like that on purpose, not trusting his audience, or he made it because he's really that blunt I don't know.

Ultimately, I dislike this idea that because one movie is a good looking mess, and one movie is a weird looking mess, that means the weird looking mess must be worse. It's bullshit. They're both bad movies for different reasons. That doesn't make them anything more than bad movies.

#87 Posted by mellotronrules (1183 posts) -

i'm sure i'm just adding the chorus of 'meh' ( the internet like to complain, and i'm just another horrible cog in this terrible machine), but i'm so burned out on superhero moves, this is like like chocolate sauce on top of chocolate cake, the entirety of which is encased in solid chocolate. actually- that sounds pretty good. but at a certain point you're not even going to be tasting the flavour any more.

#88 Posted by Yadilie (380 posts) -

@mellotronrules: No, there's just been so many. And they won't stop until the money dries up sadly.

#89 Posted by jimmy_p (278 posts) -

Whatever it takes to keep these dumbasses entertained.

#90 Posted by RandomAtom (89 posts) -

All things aside I like the logo and I'll probably end up seeing it. I have come to peace with the fact that the DC characters I know and grew up with are dead and have been replaced by facsimiles that have a vague "Attitude Era" quality about them.

#91 Posted by MideonNViscera (2257 posts) -

Now we get to see Batman let millions die too!

#92 Posted by TheManWithNoPlan (5409 posts) -

Yeah?........Hmm, yes. Yeah!

#93 Posted by JasonR86 (9657 posts) -

@gaminghooligan: @mariachimacabre

I understand that they are the same universe technically but my brain says their tones couldn't be more different. Adding them together for a story, especially a movie, seems dumb. But that's just how my brain looks at it. And I'm a grumpy old man.

#94 Edited by Briggs713 (216 posts) -

Not sure if Batman will make a Superman movie better, or if Superman will make a Batman movie worse. Not being a big Superman fan, I thought Man of Steel was just ok. I enjoyed the fight scenes and special effects. However, the movie jumps around so damn fast between the present and flashbacks. I don't know what to think of this team-up until I see what direction they're going to take the new Batman in.

#95 Edited by OurSin_360 (842 posts) -

You guys realize that Christopher Nolan wrote The man of steel, snyder just directed it. And i enjoyed it, so this should be dope.

Sucker punch is one of the worst movies i've ever seen. But i liked 300 and Watchmen a whole lot

#96 Posted by Levio (1784 posts) -

Wow, I didn't realize people hated Zack so much. I thought most people loved 300 and Watchmen?

#97 Posted by Oldirtybearon (4712 posts) -

@levio said:

Wow, I didn't realize people hated Zack so much. I thought most people loved 300 and Watchmen?

They did. Ever since Sucker Punch it's been like the Internet is lining up around the block to get their licks in.

#98 Posted by ZolRoyce (663 posts) -

@blu3v3nom07: @godlyawesomeguy:

I'm with you guys, I thought Sucker Punch was fun too, not a glorious cinematic masterpiece or anything sure, but did it have to be? Does ANY movie have it be? It was fun and I still watch it every now and then and I really liked the soundtrack, that's enough for me.

I didn't see Man of Steel, but Dawn of the Dead was a really great movie where most of the hate slung at it came from the "uhhhh remakes should never be done ever guys." 300 had some cool fighting in it and a passable story, and you know what, I'll say it, the ending of the movie version of Watchmen was better then the ending of the graphic novel. I think so far Zack Snyder has done some pretty good movies, and when you watch the features on the dvds you can tell he actually gives a crap about what he is doing, people might not care for the results he makes, but I would rather someone who gives a crap about the product he makes then someone who is just going 'eeeeeeeeeeeh moneymoneymoney' so screw it, I'm excited.
If all else fails you can bet there will be some cool fight scenes, and know what? I don't expect much more out of a Batman Vs./Joins Superman movie then a passable plot and some cool superhero shit.

#99 Posted by Clonedzero (4200 posts) -

Lets all bitch about a movie we havent even seen a trailer for yet! BITCH BITCH BITCH!

#100 Posted by Undeadpool (4923 posts) -

@gaminghooligan said:

Exited and then....

"ZAKK Snyder is directing."

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

This. So much this.

Snyder is a BAD director. He should be touching characters and franchises as beloved as Batman or Superman.

Full disclosure...I'll still see this.

I disagree, I think he's a perfectly good, even great, director, he just doesn't direct (or write) movies with any kind of human element or emotion (beyond the extremely broad strokes of 300 or Dawn of the Dead). But he's a fine action-movie director.

I do agree that this likely won't be very good based on Man of Steel.