Tachometers - Why do they still exist in most automatic cars?

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#1  Edited By radar5

Allow me to preface this by saying that my first two cars were manual transmission.  Allow me to add that my dad taught me to drive manual on a 1995 Chevy Cavalier with no Tachometer and only a Shift Light (or an idiot light as my parents referred to it).  As such, I was taught to shift based on the sound of the engine and feel of the car.  This went the same for my first car which was a 1986 Ford Escort Wagon with a four-speed manual transmission and a broken Tachometer. 

Moving on to the real point of my post, why are most cars Gauge Clusters wasting space with a huge Tachometer still?  On average, I can only see it being useful to a mechanic trying to diagnose a problem with a car, but the average driver never even looks at it.  For the past four years I drive a GMC Sierra pick-up truck and I never looked at the Tachometer on purpose.  I also drove a Volkswagen Beetle for work (I'll let you guys speculate who my employer was and laugh about it) for about two years and never had a need for that one either.

That brings me to my new car I purchased last week, a shiny new 2011 Subaru Outback.  I wanted the six-cylinder engine, so I was forced to get the automatic, but the dashboard is the same on all of them.  From left to right you have four gauges: eco-fuel economy gauge (which I'll rant about in another post), the tachometer, the speedometer and the fuel gauge. 

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 What I would like to have is a temperature gauge so I can see that my engine is getting warm or about to over heat rather than wait for the red temperature icon to come on (you can see it in blue in the eco gauge).  I suppose we could bring back the oil pressure gauge or battery gauge too.  While most people won't know exactly what they represent, hopefully they'll at least recognize that red equals bad and you should get your car looked at.  They could also move the outside temperature, miles in tank remaining, and clock from the center area of my dashboard in front of me. 

Another great alternative would be to get rid of the Gauge Cluster altogether and have a larger windshield with just a Heads-Up Display (HUD).  My father-in-law used to have a Pontiac Grand Prix that had a HUD that projected everything you needed to know right on the windshield.  This let you watch the road while monitoring your speed, radio/cd info and even warning messages.  I thought it was a great addition, too bad it couldn't keep Pontiac alive.

Of course manual transmission cars have a need to keep the Tachometer, as well as anyone who might be towing a trailer or other heavy load so they can monitor there need to shift into lower gears on hills and downgrades.  But what about the 80% (made up, but possibly near accurate statistic) of vehicles out there that are wasting space with such a huge gauge.  Do we keep them just because that's what we've always done?  I'm sure car manufacturers can come up with something useful (or equally useless) to take up that space.    

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#2  Edited By Video_Game_King

I don't know much about cars, but wouldn't a HUD be expensive as hell?

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#3  Edited By emkeighcameron

It is pretty pointless in automatics. It is nice to know how "hard" your car is revving, but it's far from necessary in most cases. I'd be happy if they could just shrink it down by 80% and stick it in a less conspicuous spot.

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#4  Edited By Xakura
@Video_Game_King:
Not really, a HUD is just a bright screen of some sort, facing the front window.
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@radar5: I disagree that "most" cars have a tach - I can't recall ever driving an automatic that had one.  I think you hit on the reason in your post though...when manufacturers make both an automatic and a manual transmission version for a given model, they probably just use the same gauge cluster for both of them in order to save money. 
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#6  Edited By MXC361

They're in the car to let you know the amount of Taco's you have. Hence, Taco-meter.
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#7  Edited By radar5
@MXC361:  If that was the case, my only issue with it would be when it is at zero.
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#8  Edited By jschmoe

I have that HUD on my Grand Prix.  It's incredibly convenient, but it's not a big fancy HUD that most people are expecting.  Basically, it's an old-style LED (think: alarm clock) screen mounted on the dash pointed at the windshield.  It reflects back the image so that it appears to be floating in your field of view.  It does have decent information: speed, radio station/CD track number (if you change the station/track/volume), and a couple of warning lights.  I disagree with putting too much information in front of your field of view, too much would be distracting.  If you could pick and choose the info you want, that'd be cool, but it would be expensive to develop.
The tach is good information for me, and I have an automatic; my car is pretty quiet, so I can't always hear how hard the engine is running.   It will give an indication that you're pushing the engine too far.  This is especially useful to me since I have a turbocharger.  It will also give me an indication that the transmission is starting to go based on when it shifts.
Most cars (read: every one I've ever driven) have a temperature gauge.  Maybe it's a local thing, like mandatory block heaters (you can not buy a car without a block heater where I live, unless you special order one without), but I've never seen a vehicle without a temperature gauge. 

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#9  Edited By radar5
@jschmoe:  thanks for going into detail a little more on the HUD.  I should have figured most people's minds would have gone a little more crazy on what it would be given we're on a gaming site.  In regards to the temperature gauge, as I stated in my write-up, they do have an indicator light that is blue when it's cold, goes away when it's in normal operating temperature, and turns red when the engine is too hot.  I'm guessing you live in a pretty cold climate if you have mandatory block heaters.
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#10  Edited By jschmoe
@radar5:  No problem :)
A colored light just isn't as informative as a gauge.  I'd prefer to know before it gets red that I'm about to overheat!  I also agree that while the tach is informative, it doesn't need to take up 40% of the dash.  Either way, congrats on the new vehicle :)
Yep, I live in Winnipeg, MB, Canada, one of the more dynamic locations in the world, temperature-wise.  It goes as high as 40C/100F in summer,  and can get down to -40 pretty regularly in winter.  The coldest I remember experiencing was -55C/-68F with the windchill.  Cars... don't like to start at that temperature.
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#11  Edited By iam3green

it is a good question. i look at mine all the time to know where my car revs and things. acura TL have a lot of information on their dashboards. they have percent on how the oil is doing, tire pressure, and other cool stuff. 
 
i think they do it to save money. when they have to make an automatic and manual they don't have to do anything to the automatic one.

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#12  Edited By radar5
@jschmoe:  That is a crazy temperature range. Where I live in PA our peak high is around 100F but our peak low can't be more than 0F if even that.
 
@iam3green:  I can see that being a reason, but in the same respect, you can also have a dashboard with no tachometer on a manual.  I'll try to get a picture of my old Cavalier's dashboard.  Three gauges: engine temperature, Speed, fuel
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#13  Edited By WilliamRLBaker

Because it is often easy to switch to over drive and 2nd drive and such without knowing it and the tachometer will let you know if your engine is at an RPM it shouldn't be at.

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#14  Edited By matti00
@WilliamRLBaker said:
" Because it is often easy to switch to over drive and 2nd drive and such without knowing it and the tachometer will let you know if your engine is at an RPM it shouldn't be at. "
The man speaks knowledge. On another note I learned to drive in 2 different manual cars, and I currently own a 3rd one, and none of them had a tachometer on them. I always used to judge by the speed I was going and the sound/feel of the car. Not entirely necessary, but I can see why they still have them.
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#15  Edited By borodin
@radar5: Yeah I drive a manual with no tachi, it's a diesel mind you so I couldn't over-rev it anyway but still.
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#16  Edited By wickedsc3


What it comes down to is cost.  It is alot cheaper to use one mold for the cluster then to make two different ones.  Also it does have added use even in an automatic.  
     Imagine some grandma gets into her car and puts in into 3rd instead of drive(or second depending on your shifter)  Now most older people really dont pay attention to their cars sound let alone revs.  So when shes driving down the road and hitting the rev limiter instead of just stoping and calling a tow company cuz her car is "broken" she might actually see that little rpm needle pegging off the revlimiter and realize its in the wrong gear. 

      ALso other ppl hit good points too, like knowing how your tranny is performing, also if your idle raises from like 800 rpm to 1100 or 1200rpm it could be time for a tune up or a sign that something is drawing more power than it should but that is more for ppl mechanically inclined than your normal everyday drivers of automatics.  
       BTW nice ride too bad they didnt offer the 6 cyl with the manual.  u should have splurged and went with the STI :)

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#17  Edited By Red12b
@radar5: Tiptronic or Semi-auto,  
 
why create Multiple dash's for cars when there is no need? viola, Tacho. 
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#18  Edited By radar5
@wickedsc3:  I would actually give the grandma's and grandpa's more credit since they grew up in the age of manual transmissions so they are probably more a tune to issues like that.  I know my grandmother for one had a yellow firebird for a good long time (albeit automatic).  I'd be more concerned for my wife who doesn't necessarily pay attention to fluid levels and such because someone else always took care of things like that for her.
 
Thanks for the compliments on the Outback.  The only issue with the STI was a lack of back seat room since I now have a car seat to fit back there.  I posted up all about that in my blog.  I almost had the Legacy GT (turbocharged 6 speed), but I needed the wagon for my dog (no way she's getting her hair and nails on my new leather)!
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@Red12b:  They describe it as 5-speed adaptive electronic automatic with paddle shifters so based on the wiki description I'll say Seni-auto.
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#20  Edited By Vinny_Says
@radar5: All cars, be it automatic or manual, shift gears. Sometimes you might be going up a steep hill or pulling a trailer with a car that can't handle it, so the tachometer will let you know if your car's RPM isn't right. It's also cost effective to simply produce one model of the dashboard. The complaint seems kind of pointless, it's like complaining that the speedometer goes up to 160mph, but realistically you're never going to drive that fast, so why waste space?
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#21  Edited By Red12b
@radar5:  
I do get your point about temp gauge, I don't like new cars without that, especially because you have to trust your cars electronics, which is much more prevalent in cars since 1998, I prefer cars pre 98 and after 95, All you need to do is keep them tuned, and it's up to standards,  
 
With the set up of gauges though, you gotta remember, production lines are meant to be as streamlined as possible, so instead of multiple SKU's if you can consolidate what you install in a car, dash, seat, window tints what have you, and make it one SKU across multiple vehicles it saves them a hell of alot of investment in time (Man hours and production time), money, storage space (Because you have to keep all the bits separate for ease of access and keep track of them all, and I would guess part warehouses would be fucking massive) Have you ever wondered why it costs so much to tailor fit options on a car? it's because it isn't straight off of a production line, they need to work it to how you want it, or refit a car, that takes time, parts, and it's all custom. (to an extent)  
 
Just think about the logistics of one change and you'll see why massive corporations will tend to keep things as efficiently and streamlined as possible.  
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#22  Edited By radar5

I'm not so much trying to complain as making the observation and almost playing Devil's Advocate.  As we dumb everything down for people more and more every year, I'm just surprised that the Tachometer hasn't gone completely to the wayside.  And as stated before, their are dashboards without a Tachometer, so the argument that it's cheaper to produce one dashboard could go to either side.

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#23  Edited By moelarrycurly

I think the tach is still plenty useful to have, but I think that it should probably be smaller and allow for (like the TC said) a temp gauge or a battery gauge.  I drive a stickshift so the tach is a must, obviously.

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#24  Edited By Red12b
@jschmoe:  
New cars (2008 onwards) have a temp light, (well maybe just European and Jap cars, I don't know about American, but I doubt Ford hasn't implemented it)  
 
Temp gauges have been on the out for quite some time. 
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#25  Edited By Red12b
@radar5:  
Modern cars?  
 
Cars before 1995 maybe, But I doubt there are many cars after that without Tacho's,  
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#26  Edited By radar5
@Red12b:  well i had a 1995 Chevy Cavalier without one.  I don't recall if my dad's 1999 Cavalier had one or not since we only had it a month before it got totaled by a guy in a conversion van.
In regards to the temp light, I know for sure I drive a 2004 VW Beetle that had the temp light, and possibly a slightly older one.
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#27  Edited By Red12b
@radar5:  
That's what I meant, Temp lights are now the norm, And I don't know American cars, we don't really get them over here, We are more Japanese although we do get GM  through their Holdon marque and Ford,  Chevy's are rare. 
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#28  Edited By halberdierv2

Well, i was taught to drive car like you on a manual by engine sound. I think its just for show, since i see no point if it in an auto.

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#29  Edited By azhang

I learned to drive manual without the tach just by the speed and engine sound like some of you have said. Too bad that car is gone I want another manual car. -_-