#1 Posted by Seppli (10251 posts) -

The new Avengers Cartoon...

 
 
 The Avengers - Earth's Mightiest Heroes



...is totally awesome, but also a total clusterfuck of a release. I've managed to watch the show up to where all of them superheroes fight Graviton and then finally form the Avengers. Totally badass fight by the way.
 
Anyways, due to the silly 'mirco'-episodes and whatnot, nobody seems to know what's going on and what episode's what and so forth.
 
Anybody got a clue?
#2 Edited by Seppli (10251 posts) -

That's what I'm talking about. There's like ZERO resonance on the interwebs about the Avengers cartoon. Somebody's doing a piss-poor job at marketing this shit.
 
The episode with the Avengers fighting Graviton was some grand great shit. Why ain't everybody aware of this even existing. Just check out this clip...
 
  

#3 Edited by Gizmo (5389 posts) -

Anime is for jerks and cartoons are for kids?  
 
I'm just jesting with you, but the reason I personally haven't watched it because I don't have a TV subscription to any kids channels.

#4 Edited by Seppli (10251 posts) -
@Gizmo said:

" Anime is for jerks and cartoons are for kids?   I'm just jesting with you, but the reason I personally haven't watched it because I don't have a TV subscription to any kids channels. "

Isn't the internet the great equalizer? Where all the 13 years old get their share of porn and I get my fair share of cartoon violence?
#5 Posted by GunslingerPanda (4630 posts) -

Woah, there's a new Avengers cartoon!? With (close enough) the original line up!?

How is a Marvel fanboy unaware of this!?!?!?

#6 Edited by Seppli (10251 posts) -
@GunslingerPanda said:

" Woah, there's a new Avengers cartoon!? With (close enough) the original line up!? How is a Marvel fanboy unaware of this!?!?!? "

I tell you, it's a total clusterfuck of a release. Usually new shows are available all over the nets shortly after airing. Not so the Avengers. Not even IMDB or TV.com and whatever other TV related sites I've checked do make much sense of how the episodes are released. Nobody can make sense of what episode's what.
 
There've been like 20 micro episodes on the web, which have been recut to form an hour long pilot. Then there's a second pilot. And so forth and so forth. So very confusing. Really hope somebody's gonna make some sense of this soon, because the show is really entertaining and approprietly large-scale.
 
Goes really really well with my breakfast cereal.
#7 Posted by Veektarius (4595 posts) -

I liked your clip.  Hate the Hulk, though.

#8 Edited by Seppli (10251 posts) -

Just watched the most recent episode 'Living Legend', which brings Captain America into the fold.
 
The show's as fucking crazy as real-ass comics are. Doesn't get more real than this. There so much going on in there. So many characters. Spent like 30 minutes reading comic wikipedia entries on all the characters appearing this episode. Baron Zemo and Arnim Zola and Doghboy to name a few.
 
Crazy shit's crazy. Awesome! First cartoon to be as crazily referential as the real deal - comic books. Love it.
 
  

    
#9 Posted by Seppli (10251 posts) -

Watch it while it's hot. Don't think this stuff will last on youtube.

#10 Posted by MVP1101 (209 posts) -

This show is bad-ass and it has over 70 villains. I like that hulk is kind of smart and Ant-man is not a dick (yet). The best thing about it is nick fury is a mix of white and black nick fury. In one of Caps 5min things he was in a WWII squad with wolverine

#11 Posted by Metatron_Da_Don (23 posts) -

Hulk is not an Avenger. He is a mindless brute who rejected the initial offer. I guess this is part of the new Marvel Cinematic Universe (meant to be a movie tie-in). 
 
Black Panther? 2 early.
Lack of character development makes it seem like they are scared the show will get canceled soon or otherwise rushed for some reason. Would the original plot be so bad what u guys think?
 

"The first adventure features the Asgardian trickster god Loki, who seeks revenge against his adopted brother Thor. Using an illusion, Loki tricks the Hulk into destroying a railroad track, after that he then diverts a radio call by Rick Jones for help to Thor, whom Loki hopes will battle the Hulk. Unknown to Loki, the radio call is also answered by Ant-Man, the Wasp and Iron Man. After an initial misunderstanding, the heroes unite and defeat Loki. Ant-Man states the five work well together and suggests they form a combined team — with the Wasp naming the group "the Avengers" because it sounded "dramatic" (Ironically, occasional "post-modern" commentary questions exactly what the Avengers are supposed to be "avenging," not realizing the name was, as noted, chosen simply because it sounded good.). The original members are known as the "founding members" and are responsible for the name of the team and for carrying out the team's charter. As a result, their wishes regarding the direction of the team are given additional weight and deference. Although he was not actually there are the group's formation, Captain America (Steve Rogers) is considered a founder by the charter since he joined only weeks after the team initially formed and served with the Avengers before its first true recruitment drive and roster change.

The roster changes almost immediately; by the beginning of the second issue, Ant-Man has become Giant-Man and, at the end of the issue, the Hulk leaves once he realizes how much the others fear his unstable personality. Feeling responsible, the Avengers try to locate and contain the Hulk, which subsequently leads them into combat with Namor the Sub-Mariner. This would result in the first major milestone in the Avengers' history - the revival and return of Captain America. Captain America joins the team, eventually becoming field leader. Captain America is also given "founding member" status in the Hulk's place. The Avengers go on to fight foes such as Captain America's wartime enemy Baron Zemo, who forms the Masters of Evil; Kang the Conqueror; Wonder Man; and Count Nefaria.

Later episodes/seasons=roster changes
"The next milestone came when every member but Captain America resigned and were replaced by three former villains - Hawkeye, the Scarlet Witch, and Quicksilver. Although lacking the raw power of the original team, "Cap's Kooky Quartet"(as they were sometimes jokingly called), proved their worth by fighting and defeating the Swordsman; the original Power Man; and Doctor Doom. They are soon rejoined by Henry Pym (who changes his name to Goliath) and the Wasp, along with Hercules, the Black Knight, and the Black Widow, although the last two do not obtain official membership status until years later."
 
I mean would accurate character development and story arcs be so hard? The action is good but Graviton in the first episode and Doughboy never heard of him. But animation is bad he is supposed to look like Clayface.

#12 Edited by Seppli (10251 posts) -
@metatron_da_don said:

" Hulk is not an Avenger. He is a mindless brute who rejected the initial offer. I guess this is part of the new Marvel Cinematic Universe (meant to be a movie tie-in). 
 
Black Panther? 2 early.
Lack of character development makes it seem like they are scared the show will get canceled soon or otherwise rushed for some reason. Would the original plot be so bad what u guys think?
 

"The first adventure features the Asgardian trickster god Loki, who seeks revenge against his adopted brother Thor. Using an illusion, Loki tricks the Hulk into destroying a railroad track, after that he then diverts a radio call by Rick Jones for help to Thor, whom Loki hopes will battle the Hulk. Unknown to Loki, the radio call is also answered by Ant-Man, the Wasp and Iron Man. After an initial misunderstanding, the heroes unite and defeat Loki. Ant-Man states the five work well together and suggests they form a combined team — with the Wasp naming the group "the Avengers" because it sounded "dramatic" (Ironically, occasional "post-modern" commentary questions exactly what the Avengers are supposed to be "avenging," not realizing the name was, as noted, chosen simply because it sounded good.). The original members are known as the "founding members" and are responsible for the name of the team and for carrying out the team's charter. As a result, their wishes regarding the direction of the team are given additional weight and deference. Although he was not actually there are the group's formation, Captain America (Steve Rogers) is considered a founder by the charter since he joined only weeks after the team initially formed and served with the Avengers before its first true recruitment drive and roster change.

The roster changes almost immediately; by the beginning of the second issue, Ant-Man has become Giant-Man and, at the end of the issue, the Hulk leaves once he realizes how much the others fear his unstable personality. Feeling responsible, the Avengers try to locate and contain the Hulk, which subsequently leads them into combat with Namor the Sub-Mariner. This would result in the first major milestone in the Avengers' history - the revival and return of Captain America. Captain America joins the team, eventually becoming field leader. Captain America is also given "founding member" status in the Hulk's place. The Avengers go on to fight foes such as Captain America's wartime enemy Baron Zemo, who forms the Masters of Evil; Kang the Conqueror; Wonder Man; and Count Nefaria.

Later episodes/seasons=roster changes
"The next milestone came when every member but Captain America resigned and were replaced by three former villains - Hawkeye, the Scarlet Witch, and Quicksilver. Although lacking the raw power of the original team, "Cap's Kooky Quartet"(as they were sometimes jokingly called), proved their worth by fighting and defeating the Swordsman; the original Power Man; and Doctor Doom. They are soon rejoined by Henry Pym (who changes his name to Goliath) and the Wasp, along with Hercules, the Black Knight, and the Black Widow, although the last two do not obtain official membership status until years later."
 
I mean would accurate character development and story arcs be so hard? The action is good but Graviton in the first episode and Doughboy never heard of him. But animation is bad he is supposed to look like Clayface.

"
Talk about nitpicky. Why would a cartoon show be 100% true to comics from the silverage? From what I've gathered lots of the show's pretty darn close to the various comic universes the Avengers touches upon, as well as the Avengers themselves.
 
While the animation's not super-detailed and rather stylized, the dynamics of the action are very well caught. I very much enjoy the personality of the show, as well as the personalities of the main characters. They've a refreshing sense of humor to them and the chemistry of the voice cast is definitely good.
 
Guess one can't please such a fickle crowd as the comic hardcore. Still can't believe how Zak Synder's Watchmen adaption has been rejected by most, despite being mostly a frame by frame translation. There's nothing quite like the 4h Ultimate Cut with the Black Freighter stuff mixed in. Comic geeks are wierd. Even wierder than comics itself.
#13 Posted by RichardLOlson (1852 posts) -

I enjoy the theme song and enjoy most of what I've seen so far.

#14 Edited by Seppli (10251 posts) -

This week's episode has quite a lot of M.O.D.O.K. in it! You got to love yourself some M.O.D.O.K...
 
  

#15 Posted by keyhunter (3207 posts) -

New Hulk looks like Jack Black.

#16 Edited by Gamer_152 (14051 posts) -

This thread won over my approval via use of MODOK.

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#17 Posted by Make_Me_Mad (3019 posts) -

Saw an episode last week that had Captain America kicking Baron Zemo's ass, and immediately wondered why I hadn't heard more about this show before.  Pretty damn good, but I'm mostly glad there's a decent show for the Avengers now.

#18 Posted by awesomeusername (4154 posts) -
@GunslingerPanda said:
" Woah, there's a new Avengers cartoon!? With (close enough) the original line up!? How is a Marvel fanboy unaware of this!?!?!? "
Because I don't watch t.v.! I only watch The Walking Dead.
#19 Edited by Shaanyboi (1268 posts) -

Having watched all the episodes released so far, I'm.... coming around on this show.  
 
The first couple episodes are basically everything I find dumb about superhero crossovers.  You can't personalize villains with a superteam, so you basically have to rely on grand scale battles.  But really that just comes off as juvenile Dragonball Z bullshit that no one with an IQ above 85 could find entertaining.  Then they start going into all these episodes that have nothing to do with the actual Avengers story.  Most of these boil down to 15 minutes of mindless action with 5 minutes of any sort of dialogue.  There are stints of something interesting like the Hawkeye/Black Widow story, but it all feels disjointed.  Disjointed as a series, and as individual episodes.  For the most part, you can't really say what exactly a singular episode is about as it ends up dropping its main cast entirely for the final act.   And most of the subject matter ended up revolving around the dumb aspects of superhero stories.  Intergalactic bullshit with entirely underdeveloped villains and heroes.  It all felt like build-up to a bigger story, but it's like they were trying to build up 7 stories at once.  And it wasn't paced with any real payoff in mind to maintain interest or emotional investment.  Not to mention that they kinda just flat out deny World War II, replacing the Nazis with Hydra....
 
It wasn't until episode 8, the first episode we actually get to see these guys as a team, that i saw any promise in this.  That was the first episode that I actually found kinda fun, and entertaining.  Shocking really... who knew dealing with the Avengers in an Avengers show would turn out to be good?
 
 
I see this being a show with promise now that they've gotten all this set up out of the way, but still...  This doesn't make up for the loss that was Spectacular Spider-Man and Wolverine and the X-Men.  Those shows delved into the cool parts about their heroes.  Their personal lives played just as important a role as the superhero stuff.  There was balance, and progression.  Those shows were developed and paced well with arcs and specific payoffs along the way.  This... doesn't have that finesse. 

#20 Posted by Chaoskiller2000 (306 posts) -

Yeah that show is pretty awesome! I guess we will have to wait for the DVD release to know the correct episode order or we could go off of what wikipedia has listed.

#21 Posted by bartok (2422 posts) -

I liked the weird baby Marvel show on Cartoon Network better.  Baby M.O.D.O.K. was so cute I only wish they had shown baby versions of Dead Pool, The Punisher, Howard the Duck, and Apocalypse.

#22 Posted by Metatron_Da_Don (23 posts) -
@Seppli said:
" @metatron_da_don said:
 
Talk about nitpicky. Why would a cartoon show be 100% true to comics from the silverage? From what I've gathered lots of the show's pretty darn close to the various comic universes the Avengers touches upon, as well as the Avengers themselves.  While the animation's not super-detailed and rather stylized, the dynamics of the action are very well caught. I very much enjoy the personality of the show, as well as the personalities of the main characters. They've a refreshing sense of humor to them and the chemistry of the voice cast is definitely good.  Guess one can't please such a fickle crowd as the comic hardcore. Still can't believe how Zak Synder's Watchmen adaption has been rejected by most, despite being mostly a frame by frame translation. There's nothing quite like the 4h Ultimate Cut with the Black Freighter stuff mixed in. Comic geeks are wierd. Even wierder than comics itself. "
How is the humor refreshing? It's the same ol corny , but whatever sells.
#23 Posted by Seppli (10251 posts) -

The season finale 'Gamma World' was glorious. Especially loved the encounter between Hawkeye and the Hulk. Great chemistry there. Nothing quite like the Hulk bursting out in laughter. Anyways... here's a little taste of the episode.
 
  

  
 
Enjoy!
#24 Edited by PenguinDust (12450 posts) -

I like the show although I missed the final so I need to catch up.  On a different note, the DC based new series on Cartoon Network, Young Justice had a sneak premiere this week, too and it looks pretty good.  I think it needs Wonder Girl, though instead of Ms. Martian or Martian Girl, whatever her name is.  Between that, the Avengers show, Symbiotic TitanAdventure Time, Phineas & Ferb and The Regular Show, cartoons for kids are looking better than they have in years.  I should add that there is new Transformers series on Hub (formerly Discovery Kids Network) called Transformers Prime which is off to a good start and a new G.I. Joe called Renegades which is...well, we'll see.  

#25 Posted by Seppli (10251 posts) -
@PenguinDust said:
" I like the show although I missed the final so I need to catch up.  On a different note, the DC based new series on Cartoon Network, Young Justice had a sneak premiere this week, too and it looks pretty good.  I think it needs Wonder Girl, though instead of Ms. Martian or Martian Girl, whatever her name is.  Between that, the Avengers show, Symbiotic TitanAdventure Time, Phineas & Ferb and The Regular Show, cartoons for kids are looking better than they have in years.  I should add that there is new Transformers series on Hub (formerly Discovery Kids Network) called Transformers Prime which is off to a good start and a new G.I. Joe called Renegades which is...well, we'll see.   "
I saw the Young Justice premiere and I liked it quite a lot, though I'll never get over the fact that I'd rather watch a proper Justice League cartoon.
#26 Edited by coaxmetal (1577 posts) -
@Seppli: That clip was awesome. Graviton looks a lot like Vegeta from the back though, especially with his hair up like that.
#27 Posted by stafax (283 posts) -

At first I dismissed this show because as of lately, Marvel hasn't really had a great track record for their animated series, unlike DC which I feel has been consistently pumping out better animated shows and animated movies. But with so many of you recommending this, I going to have to watch this show then.  I'm a bigger fan of Marvel than DC anyways, so it's good to hear that Disney is doing well with this new animated series.

#28 Posted by obscurefan (282 posts) -

The show isn't perfect but I am really enjoying it. I think the only reason why it's not getting a lot of publicity is because its on Disney XD, you ask the average comic book fan what Disney XD is and they'll be totally lost.