The teaser trailer is coming out later this week in front of Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows: Part II.
"The Dark Knight Rises" Teaser Poster
For all the people saying Thor and X-Men were good I can't wait until this comes out so they can be reminded that Nolan's Batman series is how you should approach comic book adaptations.
Pretty sure it's Bane, but I have heard something about Catwoman kinda being in it.Has a villain been confirmed, yet? I haven't been following this movie as much as I should have.
It feels like it has been forever since I saw the last Batman movie....Damnit I need that on BluRay.
Oh shit I didn't even see the bat outline.
Nolan has a unique vision, and knows how to weave an interesting story (in his more personal work). But a COMIC-BOOK adaptor he is not. If he were, he wouldn't have made the worlds greatest detective such a tit.
I know I'm in the minority, not digging this Batman series and all, but I hope Nolan will move on to do his FAR better work on the next Momento or Inception and let someone else have a go at Batman.
@Damian: I have to disagree as Batman Begins and Dark Knight were some of my favourite movies in the past 10 years.
@DAFTPUNK said:
@VelvetLore04: of course it will :P
If The Dark Knight was any indication, this movie is going to be bad. But hey, here's hoping.
Well, they do say third time's the charm, right? Though, after Inception, I still don't think Chris Nolan has any action chops whatsoever.Hopefully this one will be good.
@HandsomeDead said:
@VelvetLore04 said:Well, they do say third time's the charm, right? Though, after Inception, I still don't think Chris Nolan has any action chops whatsoever.Hopefully this one will be good.
Maybe this time he'll trim the fat and have a decently paced flick. Doubtful, but a man can dream.
To me, super hero comics are just as much escapism as video games. Nolan is trying to portray them in as realistic a manner as possible, and that really could only be applied to a "Dark Knight" character. Doing that to Supes, Spidey or most other heroes wouldn't help him at all.
Begins was fine by me, 'cause no one had gone that direction before. So even though I didn't love it, I was all for it (and hey, at least it was proof that Shoemacher didn't kill the Batman momentum completely). But everyone's overwhelming adoration for TDK has been pretty baffling for me. Heath played a great villain, and Oldman is always subtly amazing. But when I go to see a super hero movie, I want to see a SUPER hero. Not a plot device for a villain to dance around.
I think I'd be more into it if it were called The Clown Prince. Honestly.
But please, share your thoughts on why I'm wrong. I've really only heard "I love TDK" and a bunch of Joker quotes by the lovers of the films. I'd appreciate hearing what makes it the penultimate comic book movie to you.
^ Not sarcasm. Honestly curious as I obviously don't get it.
Inception was the first thing that popped in my head when I saw that poster. I wonder why they chose buildings crumbling as the design, does it symbolize the fall of Gotham?
Still can't get over how terrible the title is.
P.S.
If there's no Two-Face, I'm going to find it very hard to be excited for this.
@EpicSteve said:
Has a villain been confirmed, yet? I haven't been following this movie as much as I should have.
Bane has been confirmed (and a teaser image has been released) and there are rumors as to who the other villain will be. If you want possible spoilers, let me know.
Catwoman has been confirmed as well, but don't know if she'll be a good or bad kitty.
@Damian: Yeah no problem at all. Also I hope you don't get the wrong idea from my original post. I wasn't saying your wrong or anything, you have every right not to like Nolan's direction for Batman, I just wanted to say that so far the series has been on of my favourite. Also quoting movies and thinking your funny or cool is lame, wouldn't catch me quoting any movie I like constantly :P
The reason why I like Nolan's films is that it's a fresh and unique take on a story told 1000 times. If I wanted the regular Batman origin story and Joker fight I would just read the comic book. If you are bringing it to a new medium than go in a new direction, at least in my opinion. I have a feeling you also didn't enjoy the film due to people going apeshit over Health Ledger. While he played the role well I too feel people overrated it due to his death, hell people were saying there should be no more Joker in any Batman movie ever to honor him... I'm not going to get into that as that is ummm what's the right word... RETARDED. Anyway when I go into anything I don't want to see the same story told a different way be it in film, anime, games etc. Take the latest Alice game for example. Like you said about video games being "brown" the new Alice game is so colourful in spots it's just refreshing even if the game has flaws, same thing goes with Mirror's Edge one of my favourite games this generation. I understand where your coming from wanting to have comic book films as a way to escape but while that is well and good I need something different and executed well.
@VelvetLore04 said:
@HandsomeDead said:
@VelvetLore04 said:Well, they do say third time's the charm, right? Though, after Inception, I still don't think Chris Nolan has any action chops whatsoever.Hopefully this one will be good.
Maybe this time he'll trim the fat and have a decently paced flick. Doubtful, but a man can dream.
What do you two movie critics consider good action chops? Give me a couple of examples. Also, I'd like to know where Inception and The Dark Knight fall down in terms of the action.
@Lukeweizer said:
Still can't get over how terrible the title is.
P.S.
If there's no Two-Face, I'm going to find it very hard to be excited for this.
Sorry to rain on your parade, but Two-Face is dead. Nolan confirmed it a while ago.
I kind of have to agree with you here actually. I think TDK's biggest shortcoming was its lead character and, regardless of whether or not its a super hero film, truly classic films aren't those that too heavily rely on their supporting cast. A strong lead character is probably one of the, if not the, most important aspects of a film. The lead serves as the guide and much of the experience presented by the film is defined by how the lead character changes and reacts throughout and the film and, ultimately, how you are guided through the experience.@RE_Player92: I respect that. It just scares me to imagine everyone else following suit. It's like all games being brown to be more "gritty" or "realistic". I'm just not feeling it.
To me, super hero comics are just as much escapism as video games. Nolan is trying to portray them in as realistic a manner as possible, and that really could only be applied to a "Dark Knight" character. Doing that to Supes, Spidey or most other heroes wouldn't help him at all.
Begins was fine by me, 'cause no one had gone that direction before. So even though I didn't love it, I was all for it (and hey, at least it was proof that Shoemacher didn't kill the Batman momentum completely). But everyone's overwhelming adoration for TDK has been pretty baffling for me. Heath played a great villain, and Oldman is always subtly amazing. But when I go to see a super hero movie, I want to see a SUPER hero. Not a plot device for a villain to dance around. I think I'd be more into it if it were called The Clown Prince. Honestly. But please, share your thoughts on why I'm wrong. I've really only heard "I love TDK" and a bunch of Joker quotes by the lovers of the films. I'd appreciate hearing what makes it the penultimate comic book movie to you.^ Not sarcasm. Honestly curious as I obviously don't get it.
The supporting cast and characters were very well performed and written in TDK, the sets and action sequences were great and the overall atmosphere was strong but the hero wasn't particularly compelling. It's tempting to blame Bale (given the ridiculous growl and whatnot) for the character's shortcomings, but he's clearly a very capable actor and I think if he had better material to work with we might have wound up with a superior lead than the one we've been presented with. It seems like, compared to everything else, the writing fell a bit short when it came to Mr. Wayne. I think the Tim Burton films also suffered from this problem too (do you remember the first film more for Michael Keaton or Jack Nicholson?), so it may just be that the character is quite difficult to write for the big screen.
This all being said, I do still think that TDK was a great film; I'm just not convinced that it made cinematic history or anything. Nolan seems like a talented director/filmmaker though, so I hope he goes on to make even better films.
Not much to say about this except that I'm excited, regardless of who the villain will turn out to be.
@SeriouslyNow said:
@VelvetLore04 said:
@HandsomeDead said:
@VelvetLore04 said:Well, they do say third time's the charm, right? Though, after Inception, I still don't think Chris Nolan has any action chops whatsoever.Hopefully this one will be good.
Maybe this time he'll trim the fat and have a decently paced flick. Doubtful, but a man can dream.
What do you two movie critics consider good action chops? Give me a couple of examples. Also, I'd like to know where Inception and The Dark Knight fall down in terms of the action.
My problem with The Dark Knight isn't the lack of action. I mean, that's something but it's not my problem. My problem is that it is a terribly paced movie with a very loose definition of the phrase 'superhero movie in a realistic setting'. The Dark Knight was an overambitious movie that collapsed under the weight of its own premise. The script was also bland and when it wasn't ham-fistedly shoving its message down your throat it was making you cringe with its attempts at reflection or wit or character interaction. The story wasn't told very well and a lot of it was ultimately inconsequential to the overall plot. The dialogue was dreadful, as was the majority of the acting. Christian Bale is a bad Bruce Wayne but he is a worse Batman. Gary Oldman remained the shining star of the cast. The less said about Heath Ledger the better because I still maintain that he only won the Supporting Actor oscar because he died. He wasn't particularly great and he was on the border of being insufferable. The Dark Knight has serious pacing problems and it climaxes about three or four times over the course of its too long runtime. And that's not a good thing. Much of the movie felt like it could've been trimmed down and perhaps the most damning thing of all is Batman is a boring fucking character to watch. Especially Nolan's take on Batman. The best thing about The Dark Knight was watching Maggie Gyllenhaal get blown up because I don't like her. The Dark Knight is not a good movie. It is a boring mess of a film that is as dull as it is abrasive.
Inception was marginally better than The Dark Knight but it still wasn't a good movie. Largely because none of the people you are watching are remotely interesting at all. Especially Ellen Page's character. Nolan has a knack for having neat ideas but then putting in the most one dimensional characters imaginable. The Prestige being an exception and one of Nolan's only good movies. Inception is a good idea but its execution was anything but. A heist movie that takes place in dreams? Sounds great. And it could've been except for the fact that it got so caught up in its own mythos and ideas that the whole concept of plot fell by the wayside. If it spent half as much time making the characters interesting as it did setting up its world Inception would be an infinitely rewatchable movie. The fact that none of the characters were likable or memorable made the whole ending sequences a chore to watch since there was no tension for these high stakes that they found themselves in. I get that it is Nolan's shtick to toy with the art of movie making, but making a cool looking movie only gets you so far. Sure it's fun to look at and some of the action scenes were well shot, but who cares when your movie is so fucking bland. Memento was at least fun to watch. Inception was not. It does nothing to enthrall the viewer. And it wasn't even a good heist movie anyway.
But really, neither The Dark Knight or Inception are action movies.
To qualify my dislike a bit; My main beefs are Joker being allowed to run amok through the mob, the police, and worst of all Batman. Christian Bale in general. And the action is weak and sparse (though I guess weak and plentiful would be worse).
But yeah, upon reading your case, I'm just left a little jealous. I've been waiting for a licensed movie of a personal fave to hit me in that "just right" way since the original Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles movie in FUCKING 1990!!! It'd be nice if something were designed to my exacting standards, as TDK seems to you. I've been shit on so consistently with Transformers, G.I.Joe, The Avatar:TLA, and now Green Lantern (which I'm MASSIVE fan, but can't bring myself to even face the disappointment I'll probably feel).
But I digress...
The great thing about Batman is that he lends himself better than anyone to being interpreted differently (good luck, Spider Man 4). Which is why I never got super bummed out about Nolan's vision until I heard he was doing a 3rd. They had a good 2-film rhythm going, so it didn't matter as much if one director "blew it". I've been hoping Guillermo Del Toro get a go, personally.
That said, I assume this will be his last one, so I'm hoping whoever the next guy is doesn't get tasked with adhering to Nolan's vision. But I imagine he will be, as these things make CRAZY monies.
You're spot on about the suiting the translation for its medium thing, though. I'd credit much of Arkham Asylum's success to the same thinking. They didn't just say "Nolan's movies are selling, let's do a game like that". And by coming at it from a new angle they caught everyone off guard and made the most successful comic-to-game adaptation ever, but also something pretty damn good in its own right.
@Loose said:
@Damian said:I kind of have to agree with you here actually. I think TDK's biggest shortcoming was its lead character and, regardless of whether or not its a super hero film, truly classic films aren't those that too heavily rely on their supporting cast. A strong lead character is probably one of the, if not the, most important aspects of a film.@RE_Player92: I respect that. It just scares me to imagine everyone else following suit. It's like all games being brown to be more "gritty" or "realistic". I'm just not feeling it.
To me, super hero comics are just as much escapism as video games. Nolan is trying to portray them in as realistic a manner as possible, and that really could only be applied to a "Dark Knight" character. Doing that to Supes, Spidey or most other heroes wouldn't help him at all.
Begins was fine by me, 'cause no one had gone that direction before. So even though I didn't love it, I was all for it (and hey, at least it was proof that Shoemacher didn't kill the Batman momentum completely). But everyone's overwhelming adoration for TDK has been pretty baffling for me. Heath played a great villain, and Oldman is always subtly amazing. But when I go to see a super hero movie, I want to see a SUPER hero. Not a plot device for a villain to dance around. I think I'd be more into it if it were called The Clown Prince. Honestly. But please, share your thoughts on why I'm wrong. I've really only heard "I love TDK" and a bunch of Joker quotes by the lovers of the films. I'd appreciate hearing what makes it the penultimate comic book movie to you.^ Not sarcasm. Honestly curious as I obviously don't get it.
The best films historically are those with a rather weak lead character who meets and interacts an ensemble cast of deeper, far more interesting characters. Star Wars original trilogy, Citizen Kane, Jaws and countless others where the central lead is often a cypher/everyman or even a thing which has no dialogue at all (as is the case with Jaws).
Batman isn't a Superhero, he's never meant to be portrayed that way, especially if you take The Dark Knight Returns and Killing Joke comics as the tipping point for the modern Batman movies (Burton refers to The Killing Joke as one his strongest influences). He doesn't have superpowers. It's really that simple. He's a man on a mission and that mission is to clean up crime and he'll do that in any way possible, often by working outside the law and via violent means - he's gritty by design. He started as a fucking Private Detective with a gun for fuck's sake. Detective Comics. Just because some TV producer in the 60s made him accessible to the general public don't confuse that with what Batman is meant to be. He's not a tights wearing wisecracking genius. He's a hardened, armour wearing, psychotic madman who dresses as a bat to incite fear in the criminal scum he has to beat the living shit out of because he can't cope with the loss of his parents and the childhood innocence which left with them. Burton and Nolan are the only two guys in terms of movies who actually bothered to respect his person and while their takes differ wildly from each other what they share is a respect for the psychological makeup and darkness of the Batman mythology. Joel Schumacher's take is just a lazy fucking reinterpretation of the 60s TV Show starring Adam West and it did indeed almost kill the Batman movie franchise. Begins was entirely a reboot of the franchise because Nolan wanted and needed to distance himself and his work from Joel-the-rubber-nipple-salesman's take.
People who don't get TDK don't get Batman. He's not a superhero.
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