#1 Posted by Mageman (351 posts) -


#2 Posted by Mageman (351 posts) -

By the ''internet'' I mean young adults and teenagers pertaining to a video game/entertainment crowd who often discuss the subject at various internet forums such as GB and NeoGaf and other sites. If you had to collective the communities political leanings, do you think it would currently come closer to the ''liberal'' (american term) side or the ''south park republican or libertarian'' side ?

I mean I know it's full off individuals bursting with their individual opinions and all that stuff, but if you had to quantify it within those 2 spectrums.

#3 Posted by EpicSteve (6479 posts) -

Without question, yes.

#4 Posted by scalpel (314 posts) -

How could you possibly have spent more than a week on the Internet without knowing the answer to this?

#5 Edited by Metzo_Paino (318 posts) -

South Park as in the show?

Because South Park mocks liberals just as much as they mock republicans.

#6 Posted by Mageman (351 posts) -
#7 Posted by Zor (654 posts) -

Hey now, stop trying to tear us apart... or i'll go 'the room' on you

#8 Edited by Animasta (14667 posts) -

the collective is definitely SP republican. It depends on the site of course (reddit is heavily conservative with an atheistic bent, SA is pretty liberal) but yeah I'd say there's more SP republicans than actual liberals.

also south park is garbage so there's that

#9 Posted by Subjugation (4719 posts) -

@Animasta said:

reddit is heavily conservative

I think you have that wrong.

#10 Posted by scalpel (314 posts) -

@Animasta said:

the collective is definitely SP republican. It depends on the site of course (reddit is heavily conservative with an atheistic bent, SA is pretty liberal) but yeah I'd say there's more SP republicans than actual liberals.

also south park is garbage so there's that

If this isn't a joke post then you're either completely clueless or completely irrational.

#11 Posted by FiestaUnicorn (1577 posts) -

@EpicSteve said:

Without question, yes.

If you had any clue about what you were talking about you'd understand that the answer is, in fact, no. Clearly, you're just another fucking dirty lib or rethuglican!

I hope you enjoyed our standard internet political conversation.
#12 Posted by BlackLagoon (1403 posts) -

This poll needs more socialism!

#13 Posted by MisterDunlap (245 posts) -

@BlackLagoon: I concur!

#14 Posted by Jimbo (9797 posts) -

I have no fucking idea what you're talking about.

#15 Edited by Brodehouse (9778 posts) -

The amusing thing is is that the American 'left wing liberals' would be centrists in Canada and Europe. American conservatives would call Canadian conservatives a bunch of loony libs.

Maybe it's due to being the world's superpower but speaking as an outsider, the 'culture war' stuff is played up to mind-boggling degrees in America. I'm social left, economic right so maybe I'm a fringe case, but I don't shiver with rage because my guy lost in the election. Then again, you guys do have a ludicrously powerful executive branch, which has growing larger and larger going on 30 years now.

South Park Republican is actually kind of a dangerous thing, not due to ideology (which I almost agree with) but transmission. They boil relatively complicated situations down to nice, simple bottom lines and operate under an assumed moral right in almost every situation, and freely give a long list of people that should be hated. A friend of mine is almost religious with South Park and it's mostly made him think less of anyone who isn't him. You can either agree, or you can be wrong. That's really fucking creepy if you ask me. It's not a matter of the actual libertarian viewpoint, it's a matter of 'well they're obviously wrong because fuck them'.

Back to the topic, I would bet the internet is full of knee-jerk liberals more than South Park Republicans. I think most of all the internet is full of people who have just discovered having an opinion and are extremely excited at the opportunity to share it. Which is to say teenagers and young adults. That's why you get those threads of THE WORST EVER and AM I THE ONLY ONE.

#16 Posted by davidwitten22 (1708 posts) -

South Park Republican is the stupidest name for a "political leaning".

#17 Edited by Animasta (14667 posts) -

@Subjugation said:

@Animasta said:

reddit is heavily conservative

I think you have that wrong.

nah. go to r/SRS sometime, it'll blow your mind. Conservatism isn't a hatred of science, it's not a love of god or whatever.

it's about a hatred of people unlike yourselves, whether they be black, religious, a woman... all great targets for redditors.

edit; well hatred is a little strong, but they certainly have some very terrible opinions on people that aren't straight white men

#18 Edited by Harkat (1101 posts) -

@Brodehouse said:

The amusing thing is is that the American 'left wing liberals' would be centrists in Canada and Europe. American conservatives would call Canadian conservatives a bunch of loony libs.

Maybe it's due to being the world's superpower but speaking as an outsider, the 'culture war' stuff is played up to mind-boggling degrees in America. I'm social left, economic right so maybe I'm a fringe case, but I don't shiver with rage because my guy lost in the election. Then again, you guys do have a ludicrously powerful executive branch, which has growing larger and larger going on 30 years now.

South Park Republican is actually kind of a dangerous thing, not due to ideology (which I almost agree with) but transmission. They boil relatively complicated situations down to nice, simple bottom lines and operate under an assumed moral right in almost every situation, and freely give a long list of people that should be hated. A friend of mine is almost religious with South Park and it's mostly made him think less of anyone who isn't him. You can either agree, or you can be wrong. That's really fucking creepy if you ask me. It's not a matter of the actual libertarian viewpoint, it's a matter of 'well they're obviously wrong because fuck them'.

Back to the topic, I would bet the internet is full of knee-jerk liberals more than South Park Republicans. I think most of all the internet is full of people who have just discovered having an opinion and are extremely excited at the opportunity to share it. Which is to say teenagers and young adults. That's why you get those threads of THE WORST EVER and AM I THE ONLY ONE.

Once again, Brodehouse nails it.

EDIT: Also, fuck you brodehouse, because it's not proper to unabashedly compliment people on their posts.

#19 Posted by Aetheldod (3542 posts) -

What???'

#20 Posted by DukesT3 (1901 posts) -

Liberals on gawker make me wish my brain would melt.

#21 Edited by believer258 (11775 posts) -

The internet is more liberal, yeah. Try making a thread exclaiming a position against gay rights on any given forum that isn't Christian fundamentalist and see where that gets you.

Personally, my opinion on politics is summed up here:

and, for good measure:

#22 Edited by MC_Hify (331 posts) -

I don't think most young people pay attention to politics on or offline.

#23 Posted by oraknabo (1457 posts) -

@believer258: Gay rights can just as easily be libertarian.

#24 Edited by Mageman (351 posts) -

@Brodehouse said:

The amusing thing is is that the American 'left wing liberals' would be centrists in Canada and Europe. American conservatives would call Canadian conservatives a bunch of loony libs.

Maybe it's due to being the world's superpower but speaking as an outsider, the 'culture war' stuff is played up to mind-boggling degrees in America. I'm social left, economic right so maybe I'm a fringe case, but I don't shiver with rage because my guy lost in the election. Then again, you guys do have a ludicrously powerful executive branch, which has growing larger and larger going on 30 years now.

South Park Republican is actually kind of a dangerous thing, not due to ideology (which I almost agree with) but transmission. They boil relatively complicated situations down to nice, simple bottom lines and operate under an assumed moral right in almost every situation, and freely give a long list of people that should be hated. A friend of mine is almost religious with South Park and it's mostly made him think less of anyone who isn't him. You can either agree, or you can be wrong. That's really fucking creepy if you ask me. It's not a matter of the actual libertarian viewpoint, it's a matter of 'well they're obviously wrong because fuck them'.

Back to the topic, I would bet the internet is full of knee-jerk liberals more than South Park Republicans. I think most of all the internet is full of people who have just discovered having an opinion and are extremely excited at the opportunity to share it. Which is to say teenagers and young adults. That's why you get those threads of THE WORST EVER and AM I THE ONLY ONE.

Well Obama would be definitely considered some kind of autocraticish neoliberal (ordoliberal) here, pegging him to the right of the centre. This is just a quick observation though.

I do like some views presented in South Park, a lot of them ride on pure ''common sense'' and don't dwell deep into the issue and trying to understand the opposition to it. I think form my opinion POV that the ''internet'' was more SP republican some time ago, a lot of ''internet'' people also liked McCain in the beginning but GB and other sites do seem a bit more ''liberal''.

@oraknabo said:

@believer258: Gay rights can just as easily be libertarian.

I think that the main difference between the leftos and the ''sane conservatives'' is that ones don't see an issue in different groups of people getting different rights, such as gay rights, minority rights etc while the other wants an equal playing field without such divisions occurring in the first place which is kinda harder to implement and would take a bit longer to do so.

#25 Posted by Turambar (6713 posts) -
@Brodehouse said:

The amusing thing is is that the American 'left wing liberals' would be centrists in Canada and Europe. American conservatives would call Canadian conservatives a bunch of loony libs.

Maybe it's due to being the world's superpower but speaking as an outsider, the 'culture war' stuff is played up to mind-boggling degrees in America. I'm social left, economic right so maybe I'm a fringe case, but I don't shiver with rage because my guy lost in the election. Then again, you guys do have a ludicrously powerful executive branch, which has growing larger and larger going on 30 years now.

South Park Republican is actually kind of a dangerous thing, not due to ideology (which I almost agree with) but transmission. They boil relatively complicated situations down to nice, simple bottom lines and operate under an assumed moral right in almost every situation, and freely give a long list of people that should be hated. A friend of mine is almost religious with South Park and it's mostly made him think less of anyone who isn't him. You can either agree, or you can be wrong. That's really fucking creepy if you ask me. It's not a matter of the actual libertarian viewpoint, it's a matter of 'well they're obviously wrong because fuck them'.

Back to the topic, I would bet the internet is full of knee-jerk liberals more than South Park Republicans. I think most of all the internet is full of people who have just discovered having an opinion and are extremely excited at the opportunity to share it. Which is to say teenagers and young adults. That's why you get those threads of THE WORST EVER and AM I THE ONLY ONE.

I'd say part of it results in the drastically different methods of passing legislation in a standard European parliamentary system and the US congressional system.  Unless I am misinformed, despite drastic differences in party ideology, when one European party is voted in, they can force through their own agenda largely unopposed.  What they have to answer to is the realm of public opinion from the results of their legislation.  Thus, even if you don't like the ideas of the guys on the other side, they aren't necessarily actively blocking any legislative progress.  
 
However, the US congressional system demands cooperation to get things done.  The filibuster, the need for a super majority as well as the presidential veto all requires a large portion of the legislative body to come to a consensus before something can be passed.  However, with the degree of partisan division that currently exists, such mandatory cooperation is impossible, and thus legislative progress is at a standstill.  Such inaction only leads to more finger pointing from both sides.
 
I believe Time Magazine made this observation over a year ago: the US government has the same level of political division as a European one, but lacks the parliamentary tools to force legislation through despite it.  The situation certainly hasn't gotten any better since then.
 
There is however also some interesting statistics that come out of all this.  Going by Pew Research Center, a highly respected and trusted non-partisan polling group, the degree of ideological division between Americans have grown dramatically over the last ten years.  However, the size of the two major political parties, Republican and Democrat, have also declined sharply.  As of this year, when asked what their political affiliation was, 38% said independent (the largest number since a long time ago), 32% said Democrat, and 24% said Republican.  The rest were third parties of some kind.  If our current direction is slowly moving towards the decline of the major political parties and the rise of yet another one much as how the Republicans originally rose from the ashes of the Wigs party, things would be very interesting.
#26 Posted by scalpel (314 posts) -

@Animasta said:

@Subjugation said:

@Animasta said:

reddit is heavily conservative

I think you have that wrong.

nah. go to r/SRS sometime, it'll blow your mind. Conservatism isn't a hatred of science, it's not a love of god or whatever.

it's about a hatred of people unlike yourselves, whether they be black, religious, a woman... all great targets for redditors.

edit; well hatred is a little strong, but they certainly have some very terrible opinions on people that aren't straight white men

Looks like I was right on both counts; you're both clueless and irrational.

#27 Posted by saroorhai (21 posts) -

@Brodehouse: "I'm social left, economic right"

That's kind of a libertarian, isn't it? I think the term "South Park Republican" really just describes a libertarian perspective.

As for the internet, this is a subjective call based on my personal experience, but I see very little conservatism outside of the conspiracy crowd. From liberal to socialist, and libertarian to anarchist, but very few populists or conservatives. My political terms are consistent with those used in political compasses like the Nolan Chart, just for clear definition of what I am mean by "populist" and so forth.

#28 Posted by McGhee (6094 posts) -

The internet is so obviously anarcho capitalist.

#29 Posted by Brodehouse (9778 posts) -

@saroorhai:There are things about libertarian I can get behind, but others that makes them not the right fit. Maybe they're the closest fit, but too many are too crazy. I'd rather say what I am specifically rather than what group I closest agree with.

#30 Posted by Viking_Funeral (1759 posts) -

@Brodehouse said:

The amusing thing is is that the American 'left wing liberals' would be centrists in Canada and Europe. American conservatives would call Canadian conservatives a bunch of loony libs.

This is definitely my experience from having lived across the world. In the U.S., I'm a dyed in the wool liberal. In Germany or Switzerland, I'm a centrist.

#31 Posted by upwarDBound (654 posts) -

The internet is a hugely diverse entity. It is not just teenagers and 20 somethings posting in entertainment forums. There are communities that cater to every political sensibility and area of interest that it would be quite impossible to pigeonhole the political stance of the "internet" as you put it. One problem with the "internet" is that so many of us lack perspective and are really only aware of what's going on immediately around us. We get the feeling that we're the center of the universe so to speak and that is far from true.

Even pertaining to entertainment communities a shared love of something does not mean that our political views will be similar. Politics are not even regularly talked about nor encouraged in these communities as they have absolutely nothing to do with the general focus of the given site and regularly breed contention and exclusion.

#32 Posted by wjb (1653 posts) -

I don't think I can take anyone who claims him/herself as a "South Park Republican" seriously.

#33 Posted by bushpusherr (772 posts) -

I rather think the majority is "I don't give a fuck"

#34 Posted by habster3 (3595 posts) -

@scalpel said:

How could you possibly have spent more than a week on the Internet without knowing the answer to this?

This. The internet is practically the equivalent of Berkeley as far as politics. That is, since the OP seems unaware of the fact, overwhelmingly liberal and generally atheistic. Of course, as an agnostic socialist, I fall into that category too hahaha

#35 Posted by No0b0rAmA (1490 posts) -

It's disgustingly liberal. I hope they prevent liberals from accessing, or at the very least posting, on the internet in the near future.

#36 Posted by superpow (226 posts) -

Video game forums always get real funny when people start talking politics.

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#37 Posted by mandude (2669 posts) -

This isn't edgy enough. Where's ?

Liberal, I would think. Granted, I'm not entirely aware of what that means. American liberalism still seems a bit too right wing to me.

#38 Posted by Harkat (1101 posts) -

@LooseChange said:

Liberals on gawker make me wish my brain would melt.

Seconded...And I'm very far from conservative.

#39 Edited by Onno10 (405 posts) -

you know, as a European I thought Ron Paul was going to win American elections judging solely by those Ron Paul 2012 comments, then I looked it up and saw he barely had 10 percent.

#40 Edited by Harkat (1101 posts) -

@Onno10 said:

you know, as a European I though Ron Paul was going to win American elections judging solely by those Ron Paul 2012 comments, then I looked it up and saw he barely had 10 percent.

Haha, same. The owner of the site I write for is a massive backer of Ron Paul and would post 20 tweets a day about it, not to mention Ron Paul's videos on youtube getting shit-tons of views and almost unanimously positive feedback. It's funny when you get reminded that there's still a large world out there completely separate to the internet, where TV has much more sway.

#41 Posted by CrossTheAtlantic (1145 posts) -

@Brodehouse: Yeah, the American left does not exist. I remember getting so much shit last time I was home (in Texas) and was reading Capital.

#42 Posted by Manhattan_Project (2135 posts) -

@Animasta said:

@Subjugation said:

@Animasta said:

reddit is heavily conservative

I think you have that wrong.

nah. go to r/SRS sometime, it'll blow your mind. Conservatism isn't a hatred of science, it's not a love of god or whatever.

it's about a hatred of people unlike yourselves, whether they be black, religious, a woman... all great targets for redditors.

edit; well hatred is a little strong, but they certainly have some very terrible opinions on people that aren't straight white men

Oh so you're one of those people who doesn't actually know what SRS is. Cool.

As someone whos supposed to be part of the groups Reddit hates, I have literally only seen one comment I was genuinely insulted by and that was downvoted to oblivion. In fact a post a week or two ago straight up asked women, LGBT, and anyone else who wasn't white if they felt SRS did any good. Surprise the response from all the supposed victims, was a resounding "no."

SRS is made up of two types of people:

1. Egomaniacs who feel its their duty to get offended by everything

2. People who are just trolling the previous group

P.S. they also pushed someone to suicide.

#43 Posted by Flawed_System (388 posts) -

Consider the age bracket of most forums...

#44 Posted by EXTomar (4636 posts) -

....I've never heard of this before.

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