#801 Posted by alishcra (66 posts) -

You can do it Riccardio you sexy man you !!!!!

#802 Posted by Pikadrew (28 posts) -

Sky still have to compete with the BBC (even if they don't show all the races live) who have no ads at all. Last time Sky had F1they ran ads and hardly anybody watched. They have a dedicated channel this time round with a fair bit of sponsorship so I guess that's how they make it cost effective.

#803 Posted by MachoFantastico (4890 posts) -

Not a classic! But great performance yet again for Hamilton.

I do love that you can now hear the crowd with these engines.

#804 Posted by Sykdom (71 posts) -

Eff Alonso and Rosberg, taking out Williams like that.

#805 Posted by LtSquigs (269 posts) -

Ah so close Ricciardo, hopefully next time hell have a good start. Did really well though.

#806 Posted by Khann (2915 posts) -
#808 Posted by alishcra (66 posts) -

So after the race does the FIA check all the cars just asking when does the disqualifying start?

#809 Edited by ThatOneDudeNick (761 posts) -

I like Hamilton and Mercedes, but I hope for a more exciting fight for first in Spain.

#810 Edited by BaconGames (3580 posts) -

I'll take 10 points for Force India. Just barely dropped down to third place, only three points behind Red Bull and two points ahead of Ferrari. Fingers crossed they can keep pace and not be squeezed out by Red Bull and Ferrari in the next few races.

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#811 Posted by Hero_Swe (1206 posts) -

@ltsquigs said:

@machofantastico: Oh ok, just hard to get excited when all the commentators just seem to be saying "Yep they got a good car there"

Shame that your commetators only focus on that. The swedish commentators on Viasat focus a lot more on the in-pack battles and so it is a lot more interesting to watch.

#812 Posted by LtSquigs (269 posts) -

@hero_swe: They focus on that as well, but at the end of the day you want to know whos coming in first and why.

#813 Posted by OleMarthin (318 posts) -

@thatonedudenick: Neither BBC, Sky or Viasat is showing commercials during the race, only during the pre-show and post race show. Its the same for almost all sports in Europe, (at least the sports i watch) never commercials during the sport activity.

#814 Posted by OleMarthin (318 posts) -

@alishcra: Disqualifying almost never happens, and not all cars are checked for everything they check random things on different cars without warning at any point during the race weekend. If anyone does get disqualified it usually happens shortly after the race, usually within a few hours.

#815 Posted by mikey87144 (1807 posts) -

This is just an opinion but Vettel is being exposed. Let's say Rosberg was paired up with another inferior driver but kept winning all of the races. We would all say great car but after a while we would say he must be a great driver to. (Great driver relatively speaking obviously. All F1 drivers have to be super human just to bring one of those cars around for a single lap). Rosberg though is paired up with Lewis Hamilton, who for all intensive purposes is at least among the better drivers, and he can't beat him. They have virtually the same car and the same advantages over the field yet Hamilton is able to crush Nico along with everyone else. Vettel, when Red Bull was dominant, had no real rival on his team his team and just cruised. This year though, Vettel is being bested by his teammate. If not for some bad luck it would be worse than it is right now. Maybe Vettel is having some bad luck to but it can't be worse than what Ricciardo has had to deal with. It's wait and see though. Who knows what the rest of the season will bear out.

#816 Posted by sketch (194 posts) -

I'm developing mad respect for Riccardo. He seems like a real talent, and respectful of other drivers.

#817 Posted by MightyDuck (1524 posts) -

@sketch: Same here, quickly turning into one of my favorite drivers.

#818 Edited by Unsupervised (54 posts) -

Couldn't touch Bahrain but Shanghai had some pretty great moments. I kinda wish the cameras and commentators just ignored Hamilton, his insurmountable lead is so incredibly boring.

They talked on and on about the graining issues on the tires but I don't think I ever caught why it's a specific issue for this track. Is it the much cooler track temperature?

#819 Posted by aajf (224 posts) -

They talked on and on about the graining issues on the tires but I don't think I ever caught why it's a specific issue for this track. Is it the much cooler track temperature?

I think in this case it was because it had rained over the night so the track had no residual tyre rubber down from the sessions earlier in the weekend. Tyres tend to have a little more grip, and I assume have to work less hard and thus grain less, when rubber has been laid down on the racing line over time. You will sometimes hear the commentators call the track 'green' if it has no rubber on it. Certainly on Sky they were speculating that the soft tyres were not lasting as long as had been anticipated because the track was green. I can't speak to what effect the track temperature had.

#820 Posted by rethla (865 posts) -

They talked on and on about the graining issues on the tires but I don't think I ever caught why it's a specific issue for this track. Is it the much cooler track temperature?

Yes it generally was very hard to get up the temperatures in the tyres and they grain when they are pushed in cold. On the swedish broadcast they showed heatvision on the tyres and they where in the black almost all the time. Black colour = off the scales cold.

I think Alonso should be punished for ramming Massa out of the race but it looks like it aint happening poor Massa, and also Nico ramming Bottas is a parody for Williams.

Best part about the race was when Red bull told Vettel Daniel is faster becouse he has 3 laps fresher tyres and he responds "tough luck" after wich Daniel destroys him :D

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#821 Posted by ThatOneDudeNick (761 posts) -

@thatonedudenick: Neither BBC, Sky or Viasat is showing commercials during the race, only during the pre-show and post race show. Its the same for almost all sports in Europe, (at least the sports i watch) never commercials during the sport activity.

Damn. Lucky Europeans.

#822 Posted by rethla (865 posts) -

@olemarthin said:

@thatonedudenick: Neither BBC, Sky or Viasat is showing commercials during the race, only during the pre-show and post race show. Its the same for almost all sports in Europe, (at least the sports i watch) never commercials during the sport activity.

Damn. Lucky Europeans.

Its pretty funny watching Nascar in sweden. Basicly we get the American broadcast with the english commentator but every time America goes to commercials the english commentator falls silent and we get some swedish commentator voice over during their commercial break. I feel its about 70/30 english and swedish commentatory in total you guys certanly get alot of commercials.

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#823 Posted by alishcra (66 posts) -

I am new to this sport, so I might be saying crap about the sport, but would it be better that all drivers had the exact same car? Don't get me wrong I want Hamilton to win ( and maybe Ricciardo or Rosberg to come in second) but feel like the car overshadows the driver's abilities. You don't think Michael Jordan is the greatest basketball player of all time because of his Nikes you know.

#824 Posted by Riotisonfire (123 posts) -

@alishcra: I thought that for a while but then i realized the story behind all of the constructors. It is not just about these drivers. But the companies that employ them and design the cars. Having brilliant car design is what makes this sport a lot more to talk about rather than just drivers in the same car.

#825 Edited by IroN1c (557 posts) -

@alishcra: I thought that for a while but then i realized the story behind all of the constructors. It is not just about these drivers. But the companies that employ them and design the cars. Having brilliant car design is what makes this sport a lot more to talk about rather than just drivers in the same car.

Exactly, F1 is a team sport. There are open wheel series with standardized cars though.

#826 Posted by OleMarthin (318 posts) -

@rethla said:

@thatonedudenick said:

@olemarthin said:

@thatonedudenick: Neither BBC, Sky or Viasat is showing commercials during the race, only during the pre-show and post race show. Its the same for almost all sports in Europe, (at least the sports i watch) never commercials during the sport activity.

Damn. Lucky Europeans.

Its pretty funny watching Nascar in sweden. Basicly we get the American broadcast with the english commentator but every time America goes to commercials the english commentator falls silent and we get some swedish commentator voice over during their commercial break. I feel its about 70/30 english and swedish commentatory in total you guys certanly get alot of commercials.

I started watching american football four years ago when viasta sport stared showing it. and every 5 minutes a NFL logo popped up on the screen. at the time i thought it was buffering a stream from america or something but when i started subscribing to NFL gamepass for watching the games i discovered that every time that logo was on the games had a commercial break.

#827 Posted by alishcra (66 posts) -

@riotisonfire: You are right. Since I am an American I am just used to team sports (i.e. football, and basketball) showing each individual player and what they contribute to their team to make them great. For F1, you see majority of the time 2 drivers and occasionally mere seconds (or minutes poor Massa) the pit crew. They don't really show how the team developed the car,but maybe I missed it and it was preseason stuff. But I guess I just gotta get used to it cuz I find this sport interesting.

Also they can compensate for Mercedes' lead because their engines are build can they modify them or something?

#828 Posted by Mathey (462 posts) -

Watched this race with my dad, was pleased to find that listening to the podcast helped me get into it a lot more.

Massa's pit stop - wow. I was about to comment about how quick and clean the pit crews were when that happened. Ouch.

#829 Edited by rethla (865 posts) -
@alishcra said:

@riotisonfire: You are right. Since I am an American I am just used to team sports (i.e. football, and basketball) showing each individual player and what they contribute to their team to make them great. For F1, you see majority of the time 2 drivers and occasionally mere seconds (or minutes poor Massa) the pit crew. They don't really show how the team developed the car,but maybe I missed it and it was preseason stuff. But I guess I just gotta get used to it cuz I find this sport interesting.

Also they can compensate for Mercedes' lead because their engines are build can they modify them or something?

No they cant. Developing new engines for every new race weekend turned out to expensive for most of the teams so the engine designs are locked during seasons nowdays.

edit: They can change other stuff on the car however so even if mercedes engine will have an advantage during this season it doesnt mean mercedes engine always win. All engines has already been on the podium so far.

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#830 Posted by BaconGames (3580 posts) -

@riotisonfire said:

@alishcra: I thought that for a while but then i realized the story behind all of the constructors. It is not just about these drivers. But the companies that employ them and design the cars. Having brilliant car design is what makes this sport a lot more to talk about rather than just drivers in the same car.

If you consider the idea that a lot of drivers could be doing about as well as Hamilton if they were in the same car, it's really there to promote rolling dynamics between seasons. Ultimately, car changes, regulations, teams, and mechanical innovations are the complement to driver ability that makes so each new season could mean a whole new set of stories or teams taking the dominance. Add to that the factor of ongoing improvements within a season which can make for shakeups. Also a lot of motorsport, particularly NASCAR and F1, are as much a competition between racing engineers and pit crews as it is the drivers.

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#832 Posted by Fooms (15 posts) -

@alishcra said:

I am new to this sport, so I might be saying crap about the sport, but would it be better that all drivers had the exact same car? Don't get me wrong I want Hamilton to win ( and maybe Ricciardo or Rosberg to come in second) but feel like the car overshadows the driver's abilities. You don't think Michael Jordan is the greatest basketball player of all time because of his Nikes you know.

One of the big things about F1 is that it's an "open" formula for the cars, which means that they get to build the chassis and engine however they want within the rules, the main reason for this is that they want it to be a reason to push new technology forward and develop crazy new stuff. The theory behind this is that the stuff that works eventually filters down to the production cars that everyone buys. Which is why they swapped down to turbo charged V6's, the FIA wanted the teams to be developing new tech for better fuel efficiency.

But if your interested in open wheel racing that uses a set car those series do exists, Indycar or GP2 has one company that makes the chassis and engine, and a whole lot stricter rules on what can be modified.

I personally love that the cars are different and if you really get into it you can follow all the small changes the teams make for each specific race, or the really big changes that they go for every 5 or so races.

#833 Posted by rethla (865 posts) -

Its not only filtering down to production cars its also filtering down to lets say GP2 and indy and basicly all racing, Both engines and chassis are hevily based on old F1 cars. Without cutting edge F1 to move things forward it would be very stagnant in all other homologised series.

Not only are this good for performance and awesome looking cars but F1 also has cutting edge safty, You can crasg those damn cars at 200mph and the driver steps out of the car and runs back to the pitlane to start up the spair car and continue racing!! Imagine when that filters down to production cars :)

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#834 Posted by Splodge (1964 posts) -

Really enjoyed the race. Hamilton might not have been the most exciting, but that was a master class. Felt really bad for Massa though =( It was interesting to see a rare glimpse of panic in the body language of that rear left tire pit dude.

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#835 Posted by isomeri (1423 posts) -

An interesting little detail which I picked up from the Finnish commentary during last race. The local commentators haven't been all that great for the past few years but they have hired a technical specialist who Skypes in from time to time to fill in on some details. Anyway the commentators were discussing the importance of fuel and oil during the season. All the teams use their own fuel suppliers and mixtures which are surprisingly close to the fuel used in road cars. You could actually run an F1 car on regular unleaded with only a few tuning changes. The cars have have an average fuel economy of 40 L/100km or 5,9 MPG. The most interesting detail however was that the design of the engine, break, suspension etc. components starts by sourcing the most advanced oil available. The engines etc. are then designed around the specific oil mixture that the team have decided to use for the following season.

#836 Posted by alishcra (66 posts) -

Hypothetically let's just say a person like me wants to watch this 2011 Canadian Grand Prix race that the podcast keeps talking about , Where can this person watch this race? Please let me know so I can let her know. You know for a friend ,hypothetically speaking.

#837 Posted by RenegadeDoppelganger (418 posts) -

Welp, even the commentators on Sky are calling this season. It's a win for Mercedes and it simply remains to be seen who the better driver on that team is. Of the two, I'd like to see Nico win, I don't much care for Hamilton and seeing him sweep the last couple of races handily (with the except of the the last couple laps is Bahrain) is pretty disappointing to watch.

I don't think anyone likes seeing one team be so dominant as to basically make the rest of the season moot but kudos to the Mercedes engineering team. At least the other teams seem to be on relatively equal footing. Red Bull are still fast but inconsistent and the rivalry between Ricciardo & Vettel is super interesting to watch play out on the track. Vettel clearly believes he's the faster driver but Ricciardo has proven he's no slouch and had it not been for a series of really unlucky events, would probably be sitting atop Seb in the Drivers Champ. It's nice to see Vettel in the middle of the pack actually fighting for position with other drivers, almost forgot what that looked like.

Williams is another team with a strong rivalry. It'd probably be more apparent if both cars weren't plagued with mechanical issues or held up by team errors. I like Williams, they seem to have an OK car this year but man they really can't catch a break.

Torro Rosso. Damn Kvyat, you fast. What is this kid, 19? Makes you wonder where he'll be in a few years..

#838 Edited by fisk0 (4522 posts) -

Next week, on Thursday May 1st it's the 20th anniversary of Ayron Senna's death. There have been a few memorial and retrospective articles about him in the past few days, and apparently there was a samba tribute to him at the Rio Carneval: http://www.bbc.com/news/world-latin-america-26228950

http://metro.co.uk/2014/03/04/pictures-brazilian-carnival-pays-tribute-to-forthcoming-brazil-world-cup-2014-and-formula-one-4407134/

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/formulaone/article-2608623/Ayrton-Senna-died-Imola-20-years-ago-confidante-Betise-Assumpcao-heads-scene-tragic-death.html

I tried to get google translate to work for this one, but couldn't make it load anything but a blank page, maybe works better if you use Chrome which has built-in translation, but at least you can access a photo gallery otherwise: http://www.dn.se/sport/ayrton-senna-storre-an-pele-for-brasilianarna/

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#840 Posted by tonka_92 (35 posts) -

I procured a method of watching the 2011 Canadian Grand Prix, and it doesn't disappoint
can't wait to hear drew's reaction
any ideas if the special is coming this week or next?

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#842 Posted by BaconGames (3580 posts) -

Oh man, I just finished watching the 2011 Canadian Grand Prix and I cannot wait to hear the next podcast.

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#843 Posted by rethla (865 posts) -

@fisk0 said:

@rethla said:
@fisk0 said:
I tried to get google translate to work for this one, but couldn't make it load anything but a blank page, maybe works better if you use Chrome which has built-in translation, but at least you can access a photo gallery otherwise: http://www.dn.se/sport/ayrton-senna-storre-an-pele-for-brasilianarna/

Google translate

Does that actually load anything for you? I tried that, but I only get a blank page, and the same happens with the link you provided.

Yeh it works, takes about 5-10sec to load.

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#844 Posted by mrfizzy (1555 posts) -

Oh man, I just finished watching the 2011 Canadian Grand Prix and I cannot wait to hear the next podcast.

Can I ask where you watched it? I have had a quick look around and can't seem to find it anywhere online. I am aware of what occurred in the race but have never actually seen it.

#845 Posted by BaconGames (3580 posts) -

@mrfizzy said:

@bacongames said:

Oh man, I just finished watching the 2011 Canadian Grand Prix and I cannot wait to hear the next podcast.

Can I ask where you watched it? I have had a quick look around and can't seem to find it anywhere online. I am aware of what occurred in the race but have never actually seen it.

There was a non-English language archive on vimeo or dailymotion or something but I eventually abandoned that and got at the BBC archive by...something something jolly roger you get the idea.

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#846 Posted by DazzHardy (801 posts) -

I don't know if this has already been brought up, but listening to the 2011 Canadian Grand Prix Alt+F1 made me curious how many people saw / remember the 2005 US Grand Prix. I'd be super curious to hear what Danny and Drew have to say about that, with Drew being relatively new, and I'm guessing it was when Danny wasn't watching. Wiki link is full of spoilers, but, I really wouldn't go try and watch it if you haven't. Reading about it is a much better way to find out about it.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2005_United_States_Grand_Prix

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#848 Edited by buemba (104 posts) -

20 years ago today Ayrton Senna passed away after crashing his car in the Tamburello corner during the San Marino Grand Prix in Imola, Italy. I still remember watching it happen live on TV, though if memory serves we didn't learn of his death until later.

His death, along with Roland Ratzenberger's (Who suffered a fatal accident the day before during the qualifying race), was a watershed moment for F1, resulting in improved crash barriers, less powerful engines and the redesign of some tracks. After that not a single fatality took place at an F1 World Championship Grand Prix.

I was fortunate enough to watch him race live twice when I was a kid. We can debate endlessly on who the greatest driver in F1 is, but there's no denying Senna makes the short list of contenders.

Edit: Worth noting that in the wake of his passing Senna's sister started the charity they were planning on doing prior to his death to help make quality education more accessible to poor kids in Brazil. Donations can be made on the organization's official site.

#849 Edited by Daaan (18 posts) -

It seems wrong of me to ask this after that post, but does anyone have stats on non-racers killed in f1? To hear the organizers or whatever talk about how there hasn't been a death in blank years when race officials are getting killed by flying tires, car shrapnel, or utility vehicles is gross, I'd like to know how often it happens but I simply can't find a list of deaths anywhere.

#850 Posted by cclemon36 (181 posts) -

@dazzhardy: I remember watching it live (on TV), just stunned at the grandness of the fuck-up we were witnessing. I was really bummed for the people who went to that race. Didn't think there'd be a US race for a while after that, heh.