Well, that was a crazy final few laps to a crazy race
Booing an athlete or performer who you don't like or who has made you angry seems like the tamest reaction. Compared to other behavior we've seen like throwing things at athletes or onto playing fields or assault (mostly away from the fields), it's a relatively harmless way to voice displeasure or disappointment. It's not always "justified" or "classy" or however you want to criticize it but it's relatively harmless, isn't it?
What was Rosberg thinking? No wonder Toto and Niki are furious. It hurt Mercedes more than anything and on the second lap of a 44 lap race is baffling to me. Not a whole lot Hamilton come do after that and I was surprised they kept him out so long. It's Rosberg's championship to lose now. Hamilton can be his own worst enemy most of the time but his post-race interview on BBC was acted with calm and intelligence, I think I'd have gone Hulk if my teammate did that to me. One things for sure, Rosberg will be looked down on as a champion.
Congrats to Daniel again, top quality driver who continues to overshadow Vettel. Red Bull deserved this one today, great seeing Williams there to... Bottas for a race win soon! :D
Even I was a little surprised by Toto Wolff's comments, he's usually pretty diplomatic so I'm guessing those higher up are pissed... wasn't the head of Daimlar there at the race? Not surprised by Niki though, he always speaks his mind that's why you can't help but love him.
One things for sure, Rosberg will be looked down on as a champion.
Oh, come on. Similar things have happened in so many championships already. Just look at Vettel and Webber from a few years back.
Did Rosberg make a mistake? Yes, obviously. Is it as big a deal as people (including Toto and Lauda) make it out to be? No. Mercedes has the championships in the bag already, and Hamilton isn't a Mr. Goody Two Shoes either, so whatever.
I'm just wondering whether the Merc top brass's extremely pro Lewis (and, of course, anti Nico) comments after the race came from? PR, probably.
Lewis was brought into the team as the champion to take them to the next level and even with all the bad luck (and lapses of judgement) he's had this season he's still seen as the faster man. The 'proper racing man' if you will.
It doesn't hurt that he's English speaking and has a pop star girlfriend. Mercs will sell themselves in their homeland so having a German (although Nico is apparently not that popular in Germany if the BBC feed is to be believed) winning championships in their car is probably not as important as a guy with a wider international appeal.
Cynicism out of the way, I love Hamilton as a driver and hope he'll end his career with more than one championship. It's looking less and less likely for 2014 now.
I also like Nico but he's, to me, more of a Massa than a racer. A very fast guy and a great front runner but nowhere near as comfortable as the guys around him in close racing, even with such a great car.
I'm a new member here but have been a motor racing nut since the 80s and Mansell's soap opera towards the championship...
Wow, Hamilton as claimed that Rosberg admitted he crashed into him on purpose to prove a point at the after race briefing, if that's the case then I wouldn't want to be around these two at Monza.
"We just had a meeting about it and he basically said he did it on purpose," said Hamilton. The 2008 world champion added: "He said he could have avoided it, but he didn't want to. He basically said, 'I did it to prove a point'." Hamilton said he was "gobsmacked" by Rosberg's admission. "He just came in there and said it was my fault," added Hamilton, who returned to the race after having his left rear tyre replaced only to quit with just a few laps remaining.
Makes you wonder about Monaco to, if what as been said is true.
Just spoken to Merc and they confirm the quotes from Lewis on what Nico said are correct - should be interesting going forward #f1— Jennie Gow (@JennieGow) August 24, 2014
this should be very interesting (hopefully the link works outside UK)
this should be very interesting (hopefully the link works outside UK)
Holy cow, F1 is exciting isn't it. I wonder if Mercedes are serious enough to take severe action on Rosberg now the comments have been confirmed.
@machofantastico: shite, didn't see your comment before mine basically saying the same thing oops
I dont know, what punishment would merc take tho, they wont exactly stop him racing, and a fine will probably be compared to pennies if they do that. it will be interesting to see if the FIA or stewarts will take anymore action now that this has came out, but one thing for sure the next few races will be heated between the pair of them
@brendan: The BBC alluded to him 'not being a proper German'.
His ex-champ dad is Finnish, his mom is German and he was brought up in Monaco. EDIT - Apparently he also has a Finnish passport.
They also said (and this surprised me) that Vettel wasn't particularly popular in his homeland either, especially when compared to Schumaker, who's always had a working class hero status.
Before he moved to Williams, I'd always assumed Nico was Finnish like his dad.
Anyone else think that this whole season has been manufactured by Bernie in order to have the double points nonsense actually matter?
Was he seen hanging round the Merc garage in Hungary with a box of matches? Did he text Nico before today's race telling him that Lewis says Nico's dad has a crap moustache?
I wouldn't put it past him...
@machofantastico: Well when asked about the monaco qualifying a couple days after the race he said a winner will do what it takes to win. I forget the exact wording he used but it's not exactly difficult to read between the lines.
Anyway, Rosberg is just a little shit. Has been since Monaco. He doesn't deserve to lead the championship, doesn't deserve this second place today. If the same incident had involved anyone other than Hamilton you bet the other team would have complained, the stewards would have reviewed the incident and very obviously Rosberg would have had a penalty. He's getting away with it because of course Mercedes aren't going to ask the stewards to penalize their own driver but it's extremely easy to understand the fan's reactions. The booing was totally deserved.
Hamilton is faster and way more deserving of the championship. Still being in the race after all the bad lucks and today's bullshit is proof enough.
Hamilton seemingly being under a gypsy curse negates the car equality though.
If, say, Hamilton wins the title in the last race it'll either give Bernie ideas (awarding double points for whichever races pay him the most) or the public outcry will be so great that it'll quickly be forgotten.
@dave_tacitus: Eh, Lauda has never exactly come across as someone who takes orders or advice from a PR department.
I think the problem here is a bit of a boy who cried wolf situation. Hamilton's fans have been so quick to find fault with Rosberg this season that now, when it does look like he, at the very least, made a seriously poor judgement call, it's easy to dismiss it as "British fans overreacting".
Plus Rosberg's kept his nose clean all season and, when he's been required to race with Hamilton, they've both got a little pissy. Originally I saw the incident as just a poor decision. Rosberg going for a gap that simply wasn't there but, the way these cars are, its smart to just sacrifice your front wing for your opponent's rear tire.
Its not got the unbridled joy of Hamilton and Alonso at McLaren but its getting a little bit of Red Bull needle.
@pcorb: Wolff strikes me, though, as extremely savvy and he's said the same thing as Lauda.
Merc have said that Lewis's remarks about Nico causing the incident on purpose are 'broadly accurate'. It'll be interesting to see how the next race pans out - I doubt Lewis will be up for returning the favour seeing as he's got points to make up and risks damaging his car but will this put a doubt in Nico's mind when faced with a 50-50 overtake on Lewis?
@dave_tacitus: They seem to agree that Nico said he could have avoided it and didn't want to, but Wolff seems to think that there's a difference between that and "deliberately crashing":
Wolff admitted Hamilton had accurately represented what Rosberg said, but added: "Nico felt he needed to hold his line. He needed to make a point and for Lewis it was clearly not him who needed to be aware of Nico."(Rosberg) didn't give in. He thought it was for Lewis to leave him space and that Lewis didn't leave him space."So they agreed to disagree in a very heated discussion among ourselves, but it wasn't deliberately crashing. That is nonsense."
I'm pretty sure that's just damage control to mitigate the potential penalty.
This is definitely going to change both drivers' approaches on the track, but it's hard to predict how.
I really don't get Eddie Jordan on the podium this race - let the crowd boo, they paid money to be at the event, they have the right to voice their opinion if they feel like someone has done something wrong. It's no different from fans booing in football (both American and 'soccer') when someone makes a rough tackle. They were reckless and should be shown that fans won't tolerate that kind of behaviour.
I can kind of understand where Nico is coming from.
As @rethla said Nico has been the one who has consistently had to back down in merc duels this year, also I seem to remember in Hungary Hamilton pushed Nico off track in the last lap, this after Nico was told (earlier in the race) that his teamate would let him past (later on this turned out to be a mistake.... they said). I can understand wanting to get out in front to be able to dictate pitstrategies. And thinking he would deliberately be out to "take-out" Hamilton seems crazy to me, as I understand Toto's quote Nico said he wasn't about to back out of a fight.
Compare this with Fernando Alonso at Silverstone where I recall him saying about his fight with Vettel : Either he backs out or we both crash. Not saying the the situations were the same (the outcome certainly wasn't) but I can understand wanting to put your foot down and not letting your teammate walk all over you.
There is a difference between crushing into someone deliberately, and not wanting to give way to prove a point and fight for position.
As I said before, Rosberg made a mistake, but we've seen things like these many, many times before (not only between team mates, of course) and it's hardly ever been such a big deal. That's pretty much a normal racing incident. Shouldn't happen, but still does sometimes.
Also Alonso running into Vettel hasn't been investigated either, so I highly doubt Rosberg would actually have gotten a penalty and if he did, it would have been a rather small one.
Hamilton should finally stop whining and just concentrate on purely himself again. Wanting to retire for 30 or so laps isn't really a great show of character, by the way.
And yes, everyone has a right to voice their opinions, but booing and the like, are bad manners and overall just not cool. (Not here, not in Football, not anywhere.)
Anyone sticking to Hamilton's side clearly hasn't watched the entire season. Lewis has been reckless when racing Rosberg (and pretty much everyone else this year) and Rosberg has always backed off and Hamilton gets praised for his aggression. Hamilton has been racing like he's the chosen one this year and expects everyone to move out of his way to let him do his thing. Can't really blame Rosberg for getting frustrated when he's been the better driver this year.
If anything this makes the run-down till end of the season even more interesting. I think the incident could've been avoided. On the replays you can see Rosberg flick the wheel left and then right which causes him to go into Hamilton. It's only a small movement and the on board doesn't show it as well but it was something I noticed.
I also didn't think it was right for Eddie to call out the fans for booing. They paid to be there and if they are not happy with someone/ something they have a right to voice their opinion. It's done at practically every sporting event. Is it good sportsmanship? No but the fans are not there for that. They are there to be entertained. I was at the Silverstone GP back in 2010 and everytime Jenson Button went by a bunch of us cheered yet some guys booed. Did any of us say anything? No we just cheered louder. There just wasn't enough people down under the podium who wanted to cheer for him.
TL; DR Excited for Monza, avoidable incident, let people boo if they want.
All Hamilton did was take his line for the corner. You can't just stick your nose in and expect the driver in front to wave you through. This was a different situation than, say, Alonso and Webber at Eau Rouge last year.
It was a clumsy move from Nico - You can see just before the incident that he had a major correction with his steering - but a racing incident. If Lewis's tyre had been ok we'd have seen Nico pit with a broken wing and none of the after-race drama.
The booing was embarrassing.
Once again a great drive from Dan, this race was a bit of a reminder to me of just how good a chassis Newey builds for that team. Being able to run that low downforce to squeeze everything out of the powertrain and still keep those cars drivable is very impressive.
I would expect to see Mercedes come out with some strong words over the next few weeks. All that bravado about letting the two of them race starts to look a bit foolish when the two of them start putting easy points in jeopardy. It's still a very long shot, but this puts Dan 61 points behind Rosberg. With 50 points on the line at the end of the year and the strange nature of this sport throwing DNF's at just the wrong times it's too big a gamble for Wolff and Lauda to let this soap opera nonsense escalate further.
It feels so odd to be genuinely excited about the WDC race again considering the start of the year. 2014 really is shaping up to be a breath of fresh air and an excellent season.
They could race each other all year, though. A silver arrow's still going to be champion and they'll still wind up with the constructors title. As for Hamilton being reckless - yes. But it comes from the pressure of entering a title race as favourite and lead driver. He's a man that could've been a double world champion by now. He wants to be Jackie Stewart, not Damon Hill.
I heard someone mention (on the BBC maybe? I forget) that Alonso was having very public chats with Red Bull this weekend. Whilst it could easily be a political "up your game or I'm out" display to Ferrari (who keep saying that he won't move), I keep thinking how difficult it would be for Red Bull if Alonso actually did move to them.
They have Vettel, the guy who has won the last four drivers championships but is currently constantly irked and out of form; Ricciardo, the young'un who has won three races this year and everyone is marvelling at; and now Alonso, the guy who is often regarded as the best driver in the pack, potentially knocking on their door. And only two seats to fill.
He'll carry a big reputation and a sack of money but he definitely needs a package under him. I reckon it might just be a bit of both. See what Ferrari have in mind for next season whilst trying to wedge your foot in the door for the only conceivable rivals to Mercedes.
All I can say is the booing is deserved if you see the price of tickets. I am sure the flights to Belgium aren't that expensive. But man. Those ticket price to attend an F1 event would draw some ire if that was the result.
I'd say there was a bit of Games Press getting to play all the games for free thing going on. But, instead with the BBC commentators. Especially, the guy who did the interview. Eddie. The people who enjoy the sport seem to be much more well behaved compared to other European sports. Nico Rosberg at this point is probably equivalent to the Heel in a WWE event for British people.
@hunkulese: Its easy to attribute negative qualities to a person if we don't think we like their attitude but I think you might be a little unfair to Hamilton here. I believe he's acting out of fear and survival as he fights against a heavily compromised car compared to Rosberg. He most likely thinks he needs to maximize any chance he gets where his car is functioning properly because Nico's kit has been much more reliable.