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Posted by Eder (430 posts) -

Yes you read that right. The U.S. of A. has blocked any hopes I had of saying “Hi” to so many great people that will gather in the lovely city of Seattle.

I am Mexican and am currently living in Mexico. My family owns a business that has allowed me travel a lot and the most frequent destination has been to U.S.A.

I had a Visa to travel whenever I wanted pretty much and have never had any problems with the law. After my sister graduated from FIDM in Los Angeles I decided to take a shot at it and pursue a career in Video Games. I graduated and got myself a work permit that let me work for a year as long as it was Video Game related. Of course I went a looked and got a lot of interviews but I was only hired once for a temp job that lasted for about four months. The most notable places I went to were Blizzard and Riot Games since they are located very close to Los Angeles. After getting turned down by those two I decided to go back home and make my own games independently but work once again in the family business so that I could have an income.

My sister decided to stay and has been there for about five years or more I lost count.

Last year on December 27th (my birthday) I was called to the US consulate alongside my Mom and my brother to answer some questions. We had no idea what this is all about. Turns out they are kinda pissed that my sister has overstayed her visa for so long. We all had our visas revoked. I was shocked. Of course I had done nothing wrong but thats why you don’t mess around with these matters. You have to play by their rules or else.

A few weeks ago I tried to get my visa back but I was told to “wait a few years”. The US consulate doesn’t trust me because of my sister. Even when I have proof that I never overstayed. My sister remains to this day in the States and is determined to find a way to stay there despite my whole family telling her to just come home and having her visa revoked as well. I really can't blame them when it comes to a situation where a Mexican wants to any kind of document that will let them cross the border. We have made quite the reputation for ourselves. It sounds harsh and even racist but cmon lets keep it real. Illegal immigration is a thing.

There was some chick in one of the streams that Vinny and Alex made at the Beast where they talked about this whole visa business and I gotta say I am very familiar with that.

I am not mad at my sister at all. She has made her choice to stay there for quite a few reasons I won’t go into. The point is I’m sad that I won’t get to hang out with the GB staff and fellow duders. There aren’t any here where I live so when we do get together and talk about all the great things that make this site special its just awesome and magical. To hug @vinny and talk about a tortilla press, to talk to @patrickklepek about an old instructor of mine and ask @jeff if there is a chance for another 50 cent game are just a few of the memories that I will hold very dear to my heart. These are dudes that I admire a lot and whats so great is that they are really cool to just talk to for a few minutes.

Yes I we could just watch the stream or video. But it’s not the same. I’ve gone to E3 as well. Yes you get way more info and content but theres something about being there and feeling the atmosphere.

I loved waiting in line for the panel because you’ll hear all these really cool conversations going on about the site or just video games in general. It’s all so instant and raw and nothing will ever compare to that place. Forums are great and all but I want to talk to people face to face about Giant Bomb DOT com goddamnit.

There are also some good friends I can’t go see that are in LA as well. I will miss them a lot. My friends from Game Production school and others I made while being an extra for The Guild (the show).

My heart skipped a beat when I heard about PAX south because for a second I thought that meant Mexico or some other Latin American country. Fools hope I guess.

Will this be the end of my travels to PAX and/or E3? Who knows. I will keep on trying every year to get my visa back, I will never give up just to go see my bros from Giant Bomb. At the very least it would be awesome if when I do end up finishing this game I’ve been making for a while at least gets a mention on the site that would make it all worth it. Time to get to work then.

#1 Posted by Splodge (1608 posts) -

Super lame.

NA duders should start tunneling south from PAX, and Mexican duders should start tunneling north from your house.

Meet in the middle and POW, guess who is going to PAX!

Failing that, I hope they do some streamy stuff and you can join us in the GB chat for some madness.

#2 Edited by CornBREDX (5290 posts) -

Turns out they are kinda pissed that my sister has overstayed her visa for so long. We all had our visas revoked.

Turns out the government has a legitimate reason to not let you in again.

I am not mad at my sister at all.

You should be. You very much should be. I will be for you.

That sucks you cant go dude, but thems the breaks. Follow the rules or suffer the consequences. Your sister is breaking so many laws and when she gets caught will get into a lot of trouble. It's really sad that she is also letting it trickle down onto her family. That's beyond irresponsible, disrespectful, and gross.

Good luck on your future, though.

#3 Posted by MooseyMcMan (11020 posts) -

Friendly reminder to keep this civil, because politically charged things like this can get not civil quickly.

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#4 Posted by Hunkulese (2723 posts) -

@eder: Don't call women chicks.

#5 Posted by natetodamax (19206 posts) -

That's unfortunate to hear. Admittedly I'm not sure how the visa process works but hopefully you can get it worked out. At the very least it's good to hear that you're still pursuing your interests with the game you're making. Hope it goes well for you!

#6 Posted by SethPhotopoulos (5261 posts) -

Turns out they are kinda pissed that my sister has overstayed her visa for so long. We all had our visas revoked.

Turns out the government has a legitimate reason to not let you in again.

I am not mad at my sister at all.

You should be. You very much should be. I will be for you.

That sucks you cant go dude, but thems the breaks. Follow the rules or suffer the consequences. Your sister is breaking so many laws and when she gets caught will get into a lot of trouble. It's really sad that she is also letting it trickle down onto her family. That's beyond irresponsible, disrespectful, and gross.

Good luck on your future, though.

He did say that she had her reasons that he won't get into. Perhaps there's a reason that makes sense for her to do that but maybe not.

It also kind of seems like a busted system to punish an entire family for one person but what do I know?

#7 Edited by Spoonman671 (4636 posts) -

That sucks. Hope it all works out for you eventually, man.

@hunkulese said:

@eder: Don't call women chicks.

Don't tell people what to do.

#8 Posted by Eder (430 posts) -

It really isn't my intent to offend anyone with this. It's just something that happened to me and I wanted to see what you guys think. Sorry if I did though.

#9 Edited by GERALTITUDE (3327 posts) -

Rules are rules but Visa business can be garbage. Dunno what your sisters reasons where for being late, but I can definitely believe it was revoked for a BS/unfair to humans reason. Happens unfortunately. Sucks you don't get to go to PAX, but, maybe next time? Hang tough hombre.

#11 Posted by CornBREDX (5290 posts) -

@sethphotopoulos: There's no reason to ever break the law.

I suspect the reason it trickles down to the family so that it affects the person breaking the law. I can't say I agree with it (it's old fashioned thinking that I'm not in line with), but I get where it's coming from. It's unlikely she'll ever see her family again, unless she wants to make it easier to get herself caught (or do something shady in order to do so but then it's like- why did you put yourself in this position in the first place).

Sorry, I can't go with the excuse "She had a good reason to break the law."

Hopefully I have not been condescending by expressing my opinion to your reply. I find this hits my passionate response bone.

#12 Posted by Otogi (254 posts) -

That's a real bummer, dude, but if it's worth anything, you look like Jeff Goldblum, and that's real rad (and I also wish you the best of luck on getting your visa and maybe getting some air on the site).

#14 Edited by rachelepithet (1391 posts) -

How can family members be punished for "crimes" others committed? Our country is so evil. My mom got a parking ticket in 1986 therefore I'm not allowed to get a drivers license ever. Great logic.

America is a screwed up place, you're probably better off safe at home.

#15 Posted by SethPhotopoulos (5261 posts) -

@sethphotopoulos: There's no reason to ever break the law.

I suspect the reason it trickles down to the family so that it affects the person breaking the law. I can't say I agree with it (it's old fashioned thinking that I'm not in line with), but I get where it's coming from. It's unlikely she'll ever see her family again, unless she wants to make it easier to get herself caught (or do something shady in order to do so but then it's like- why did you put yourself in this position in the first place).

Sorry, I can't go with the excuse "She had a good reason to break the law."

Hopefully I have not been condescending by expressing my opinion to your reply. I find this hits my passionate response bone.

I'm not saying it's fine for her to break a law regardless of whether or not it's a good one. I'm saying that it's fine for him not to be angry at his sister if he understands her reasons for it. Being mad at someone just 'cause they broke a law seems too black and white to me. It depends on the law and the context it was broken.

#16 Edited by rachelepithet (1391 posts) -

America was supposed to be all about breaking evil, fascist rules. Like giving 99% of your earned income to a King. Or believing science dictates a special location within buses where people with "jive soul" must sit. Or not being allowed outside after 8PM. Or not being allowed to drive a car with a woman who isn't your wife. Or not being allowed to listen to music with lyrics.

As a taxpayer and voter, I never agreed to allow such a government to create such a meaningless and cruel rule.

That means they are against me, not protecting me. Remember we're supposed to give them tax dollars to represent us and enhance our lives. The government is supposed to be like a larger scale neighborhood watch or bake sale community get-together or team building exercise or volunteer firefighter club.

If I found out my local volunteer firefighters had made a "rule" not to answer 911 calls of poor people I'd be scared to call this town home... so same goes for my country.

#17 Posted by CornBREDX (5290 posts) -
#18 Posted by Spoonman671 (4636 posts) -

@cornbredx: America was supposed to be all about breaking evil, fascist rules. Like giving 99% of your earned income to a King. Or slavery. Or believing science (eugenics) dictates a special location within buses where people with tans must sit. Or not being allowed outside after 8PM. Or not being allowed to drive a car with a woman who isn't your wife. Or not being allowed to listen to music with lyrics.

As a taxpayer and voter, I never agreed to allow such a government to create such a meaningless and cruel rule.

That means they are against me, not protecting me. Remember we're supposed to give them tax dollars to represent us and enhance our lives. The government is supposed to be like a neighborhood watch or bake sale community get-together or team building exercise or volunteer firefighter club. If I found out my local volunteer firefighters had a "rule" not to answer 911 calls of "hispanics" I'd be p***ed and scared to call this town home... so same goes for my country.

I have a pamphlet you might be interested in reading.

#19 Posted by Eder (430 posts) -

@cornbredx: All opinions are welcome don't worry. I actually agree that she is breaking the law and she shouldn't be there. The more she stays the worse it gets for all of us and her of course. If or when she gets caught oh man it's gonna be a shit storm so big even I will get the popcorn ready lol.

@otogi said:

That's a real bummer, dude, but if it's worth anything, you look like Jeff Goldblum, and that's real rad (and I also wish you the best of luck on getting your visa and maybe getting some air on the site).

This uh uh made uh my uh day. Uh lol.

@aetheldod: Ya se como la cagan jajaja.

@rachelepithet: I'm perfectly happy here in Mexico. It's the people I will miss :(

#20 Edited by CornBREDX (5290 posts) -

@rachelepithet: Not sure how that relates to me, but ok. I'm sorry you feel that way.

I disagree with you, too.

I don't consider this weird, old fashion law racism as you implied. Or really agree with a lot of things you said.

You have every right to say it, though.

I won't elaborate further, though. It will really get bad in here if I do. There's really no reason for that.

#22 Posted by bboymaestro (278 posts) -

@eder said:

You and Vinny seem like prom king and queen.

I'd vote for you.

#23 Edited by rachelepithet (1391 posts) -

@cornbredx: it's not big deal I just think "but it's the law" is a bad thing no matter if you're a liberal or conservative.

If a person was deemed not threatening enough to allow into the country whatsoever, extra time spent in it shouldn't become a threat. It's not like a private company like a hotel chain where if you stay longer without paying your hurting a companies finances. She actually is working for a living which is more than millions of Americans faking disabilities, etc., can say. Whatever rule she is breaking is no worse than talking during a movie or not washing your hands after using the bathroom.

#24 Edited by pause422 (6187 posts) -

yeah if someone is "offended" by your post, they can get the hell over themselves, because it makes no legitimate sense. Unfortunately I guess your sister screwed you over here and that sucks, though. I don't understand why they need to enforce this on you, though. They could just keep an eye on you in the near future...doesn't make much sense to me.

#25 Edited by MikaelBoogart (102 posts) -

Aww that sucks they are punishing you for your sister's indiscretion.

AWESOME photo of you and Vinny there. Oh man. That's great. :D

#26 Posted by Slag (4380 posts) -

You know what ?

PAX South Should be in Mexico, that'd be cool.

We've already got two in America, let's spread the love

#27 Posted by Eder (430 posts) -
#28 Posted by konig_kei (618 posts) -

Is Drew signing a package for a mannequin in that photo?

#29 Posted by micemoney (147 posts) -

Blessings to your situation dood!

The fact that you're not upset at your sister for what she's caused for you and your family tells me that reason must be pretty substantial. Either that or you're really forgiving.

#30 Edited by Wrighteous86 (3782 posts) -

@geraltitude said:

Rules are rules but Visa business can be garbage. Dunno what your sisters reasons where for being late, but I can definitely believe it was revoked for a BS/unfair to humans reason. Happens unfortunately. Sucks you don't get to go to PAX, but, maybe next time? Hang tough hombre.

Her Visa wasn't revoked. There were specific terms for her to be allowed in the country, or a time limit, and she ignored it and stayed past that. It's actually a really serious immigration offense. It's one of the worst things you can do, which is why her family is now suffering the consequences. There are legitimate ways to extend your Visa, or you can go back home and come back again at a later date, and she didn't do that.

@rachelepithet said:

@cornbredx: it's not big deal I just think "but it's the law" is a bad thing no matter if you're a liberal or conservative.

If a person was deemed not threatening enough to allow into the country whatsoever, extra time spent in it shouldn't become a threat. It's not like a private company like a hotel chain where if you stay longer without paying your hurting a companies finances. She actually is working for a living which is more than millions of Americans faking disabilities, etc., can say. Whatever rule she is breaking is no worse than talking during a movie or not washing your hands after using the bathroom.

It is a big deal, and it is an important law. There are thousands of good, legitimate reasons that the US wants to be able to track and control visiting non-citizens within its borders, just like almost every other country in the world. There are good, legitimate reasons why temporary visas expire and must be renewed, and people like his sister are the reason it is so hard to legally enter this country. Even if she is not a "danger" or a "risk", the US government can't treat the hundreds of thousands of cases like this on a person-by-person basis AFTER they break the law. That is what the application and renewal processes are for. His sister ignored that, and now her family is suffering the consequences. She is the bad guy here (if there is one), not the US government. It seems clear she doesn't plan on leaving anytime soon, and sounds like she might have overstayed her Visa by years.

@eder I'm sorry for coming down on your sister. I believe in the importance of immigration to the United States. I have no problems with immigrants, and in fact like having more diversity here. My objection isn't a race thing or even a political thing, it's just a "follow the rules thing" and while the rules in the US are complicated and should be revised, I don't believe that excuses breaking them because you don't want to follow protocol once in this country. She's making it harder for the people who follow the rules to get in here easily and fairly, like yourself. I'm sorry you're not being allowed to enter, but I also understand the reasoning behind it. Hopefully your sister does the right thing at some point and the restriction on you and your family is lightened, because I love having guests, haha! Also, in that pic, you've managed to out-handsome Vinny. That's quite a feat.

I married @duskvamp last year before she left, and she went back home so as to not overstay her visa. It's been a year this weekend and we are finally nearing the end of the process. Sure, we had other options, but this (or an adjustment of status while she was in the country) were the two right ways to do it. And as hard as it's been to have been apart from her for a year (aside from a two week trip to Italy in April), I'm glad we are doing things the right way. She lives in one of our "partnership" countries, and it's been this long and difficult because of the people who go about things the wrong way.

The US immigration system needs to be revised, but even after it's revision, overstaying your Visa will be a serious offense that prevents you from returning to this country for a long time, and I believe that's the case in most countries, at least in the first world.

About 40 percent of U.S. illegal immigrants "came in on an airplane, with a legal visa, and just overstayed their visa and have never gone home."

#32 Posted by Milkman (16792 posts) -

"There is no reason to ever break the law" is a scary attitude.

#33 Edited by Wrighteous86 (3782 posts) -

@milkman: If that reply was aimed at me, that's not what I said. But without knowing her reasons, I find it harm to blame the US Government (not that OP did).

EDIT: Ah, I see someone actually used that phrase. I agree with you. Please proceed, haha.

#34 Posted by JasonR86 (9707 posts) -

@eder:

Sorry dude. But those are the rules. Fair or not I suppose. But to the government, a convention is the last thing they probably care about. If I'm guessing right, and I'm totally guessing, is the logic for punishing a family for a single member's actions based on the idea that the government would assume some hidden action or intent for the rest of the family based on the individual's unwillingness to comply. Such as, "if one member doesn't follow the rules, then it's likely the rest won't either"?

As much as it sucks for you, if rules weren't in place like that the US, and other countries, could be flooded with more people then they have resources to support. I know you just want a visa but I can understand the trepidation of the government thinking that that visa may be a way for you and your family to stay forever. I know that's not the case but how is the government to know that especially when the only information they have currently involve your sister.

At the end though it sucks that you can't visit despite the politics. Hopefully it can all be worked out eventually.

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#35 Posted by Milkman (16792 posts) -

@wrighteous86: sorry, I should have been more clear in my post. I'm on my phone, read the thread and just kind of lazily typed the first thing that came to mind.

#36 Posted by Splodge (1608 posts) -

Funny thing is, I have several buddies who were in a similar situation. My friend and his brother moved to new jersey on a year long visa. They were permitted to work while there. My friends brother left, but my friend stayed there for 5 years. None of the extended family members were ever stopped from travelling to the states. His parents go to florida every year. His brothers visited him in NJ. No issues at all.

One major difference is probably that he is Irish and not Mexican. I imagine they are stricter with the latino folk.

Eventually my mate moved to Germany, and as he was leaving the US they just said something along the lines of "You know you can never come back right?". He was all like yeah son, holla back.

#37 Posted by TruthTellah (9081 posts) -

I understand why the government is doing this, but that also sucks, duder. Sorry to hear that. I hope your sister may work things out with them soon so that you might be able to visit again.

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#38 Edited by Wrighteous86 (3782 posts) -

@splodge said:

One major difference is probably that he is Irish and not Mexican. I imagine they are stricter with the latino folk.

That actually does make a huge difference, for varying reasons of legitimacy. "Partnership countries" like Canada and the UK have the most lenient rules, whereas countries that tend to be the source of a lot of our illegal immigrants, like Mexico and the Phillippines, are stricter and have longer waits; in the same ballpark are "non-friendly" nations like Russia and China. The strictest rules apply to "hot-spot" nations like those in the Middle East.

I understand the varying levels of restrictions, but I can also see how it can be offensive or stereotyping.

#39 Posted by Giantstalker (1651 posts) -

The Canadian government doesn't want me going to PAX, either. Different reasons, though; never once had a leave pass approved for the end of August/September (and I'm even within driving distance).

#40 Posted by Voxus (336 posts) -

:(

Sorry to hear that man. Hopefully you'll be able to sell your ticket if you already have one.

Also, I spy Jeff in your picture.

#41 Posted by Splodge (1608 posts) -

@Wrighteous86 Yeah it was a bit strange, he was good friends with some cops who would drink in the bar he was running. They knew he was illegal, and didn't give a shit. They tipped him well too (which was great considering he didnt get paid any wage at all... just tips!).

I would not really say I would ever get offended by him not facing the same penalties as in OP's situation because I understand the reality. You cant have one blanket immigration procedure for every nationality. I mean, it would be nice if we lived in that world, but it's just not feasible or sensible.

Maybe someday when Canada decides to take over and get the world running nice and smooth.

#42 Posted by BD_Mr_Bubbles (1701 posts) -

As a handicapped person who has to go through all sorts of red tape BS just to get something as simple as a new wheelchair I SORT OF understand the government loves making big issues out of small things.

#43 Posted by 71Ranchero (2771 posts) -

Sounds like a shitty situation all around man but I have to agree that it sounds like your sister is to blame. You need to follow the rules too a T with this kind of stuff especially these days. Hopefully you can get it all worked out sooner rather then later.

#44 Posted by TruthTellah (9081 posts) -

As a handicapped person who has to go through all sorts of red tape BS just to get something as simple as a new wheelchair I SORT OF understand the government loves making big issues out of small things.

Ugh, that's the worst. I know exactly what you mean. My brother has special needs, and the hoops we have to jump through to get him anything is crazy. He got a new manual wheelchair last year, and they forgot to also order a tray for it. So, we said, "Well, order the tray." But we ended up having to wait almost a year for them to do a whole wheelchair re-order minus the rest of the wheelchair. Eventually, we waited long enough that they just told us we should keep the tray the local Children's Hospital lent to us.

It's amazing how much of a fuss can be made over something even as simple as a small ordering error. For a much bigger issue like overstaying your visa, I can imagine the level of fuss is through the roof.

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#45 Posted by Eder (430 posts) -

Lovin all the support and informative opinions duders. This is why I love this site.

@giantstalker: Damn that would drive me insane being that close yet so far!

#46 Posted by GERALTITUDE (3327 posts) -

@geraltitude said:

Rules are rules but Visa business can be garbage. Dunno what your sisters reasons where for being late, but I can definitely believe it was revoked for a BS/unfair to humans reason. Happens unfortunately. Sucks you don't get to go to PAX, but, maybe next time? Hang tough hombre.

Her Visa wasn't revoked. There were specific terms for her to be allowed in the country, or a time limit, and she ignored it and stayed past that. It's actually a really serious immigration offense. It's one of the worst things you can do, which is why her family is now suffering the consequences. There are legitimate ways to extend your Visa, or you can go back home and come back again at a later date, and she didn't do that.

@milkman: If that reply was aimed at me, that's not what I said. But without knowing her reasons, I find it harm to blame the US Government (not that OP did).

EDIT: Ah, I see someone actually used that phrase. I agree with you. Please proceed, haha.

I appreciate where you are coming from duder, and the last thing I want to do is fight about VISA rights, but I think you and I have fundamentally different approaches to this situation.

You feel, without knowing what she did or didn't do, that it must be her fault, and not the fault of the US.

Because I don't know what she did or didn't do, I assume it could be either her fault, or the fault of the US system.

The system has faults, and those can victimize people. Again, I appreciate that maybe those faults are necessary "for the greater good", but I know too many people personally affected by immigration laws to just say "all the laws always work all the time".

Because Eder is a nice duder and I want to show solidarity, I take him at his word, and try to be supportive. That's all! Sorry if I came across as anti-US, not my intention.

#47 Posted by Wrighteous86 (3782 posts) -

@wrighteous86 said:

@geraltitude said:

Rules are rules but Visa business can be garbage. Dunno what your sisters reasons where for being late, but I can definitely believe it was revoked for a BS/unfair to humans reason. Happens unfortunately. Sucks you don't get to go to PAX, but, maybe next time? Hang tough hombre.

Her Visa wasn't revoked. There were specific terms for her to be allowed in the country, or a time limit, and she ignored it and stayed past that. It's actually a really serious immigration offense. It's one of the worst things you can do, which is why her family is now suffering the consequences. There are legitimate ways to extend your Visa, or you can go back home and come back again at a later date, and she didn't do that.

@wrighteous86 said:

@milkman: If that reply was aimed at me, that's not what I said. But without knowing her reasons, I find it harm to blame the US Government (not that OP did).

EDIT: Ah, I see someone actually used that phrase. I agree with you. Please proceed, haha.

I appreciate where you are coming from duder, and the last thing I want to do is fight about VISA rights, but I think you and I have fundamentally different approaches to this situation.

You feel, without knowing what she did or didn't do, that it must be her fault, and not the fault of the US.

Because I don't know what she did or didn't do, I assume it could be either her fault, or the fault of the US system.

The system has faults, and those can victimize people. Again, I appreciate that maybe those faults are necessary "for the greater good", but I know too many people personally affected by immigration laws to just say "all the laws always work all the time".

Because Eder is a nice duder and I want to show solidarity, I take him at his word, and try to be supportive. That's all! Sorry if I came across as anti-US, not my intention.

No, I understand the sentiment. I thought you hadn't understood the story completely. Sorry if I mis-characterized you or came off as hostile. I agree with you to an extent, I guess I'm just defensive because I'm trying to get my wife over with a green card and it's been almost a year. But OP does seem pretty cool and reasonable about everything, and I hope he's able to come over here soon.

#48 Edited by crimsinf (144 posts) -

The US Government is actually sending me to Seattle during PAX. Unfortunately they don't want me to go to PAX either because I have to work that whole weekend.

#49 Posted by mageemagoo (177 posts) -

@cornbredx: good thing Rosa Parks didn't subscribe to your line of thinking.

#50 Edited by TyCobb (1972 posts) -

@mageemagoo said:

@cornbredx: good thing Rosa Parks didn't subscribe to your line of thinking.

Are you saying the OP should hop the border and go to PAX illegally, purely as a stance for what he believes in? If not, then your example is bullshit. Sorry.