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#51 Posted by Claude (16251 posts) -

My dead mother won. I wonder if she is voting this year.

#52 Posted by frankfartmouth (1016 posts) -

Obama had more memorable comebacks for Romney's soundbytes, like the Battleship comment, which is really all that matters for a win. All this shit is so filtered and canned to fit into the debate format and remain digestible to the masses that the only way to come out on top is to rattle off more snappy one liners than the other guy. Obama definitely got the better of Romney in that area tonight.

#53 Posted by Aegon (5117 posts) -

@Milkman said:

Haven't watched the debate but I can imagine how much Israel talk there was. And let me just say this right now. Real talk: fuck Israel. Both Obama and Romney need to get over their massive Israeli boners.

Hold on, let me get my "real talk" glasses on.

Hmmm, let's see here... "*expletive* Israel".

In a, you don't like anything about it kind of way? In a, you don't agree with some of their actions kind of way? In a, "why do they keep talking about Israel stop talking about Israel this is 'Merca" kind of way?

#54 Posted by Milkman (16228 posts) -
@Aegon said:

@Milkman said:

Haven't watched the debate but I can imagine how much Israel talk there was. And let me just say this right now. Real talk: fuck Israel. Both Obama and Romney need to get over their massive Israeli boners.

Hold on, let me get my "real talk" glasses on.

Hmmm, let's see here... "*expletive* Israel".

In a, you don't like anything about it kind of way? In a, you don't agree with some of their actions kind of way? In a, "why do they keep talking about Israel stop talking about Israel this is 'Merca" kind of way?

In a, there are much bigger issues to worry about than Israel kind of way. Way too much time is spent on it by both parties.
#55 Posted by imsh_pl (3295 posts) -

Goldman Sachs.

#56 Edited by Inkerman (1448 posts) -

@Milkman said:

@Aegon said:

@Milkman said:

Haven't watched the debate but I can imagine how much Israel talk there was. And let me just say this right now. Real talk: fuck Israel. Both Obama and Romney need to get over their massive Israeli boners.

Hold on, let me get my "real talk" glasses on.

Hmmm, let's see here... "*expletive* Israel".

In a, you don't like anything about it kind of way? In a, you don't agree with some of their actions kind of way? In a, "why do they keep talking about Israel stop talking about Israel this is 'Merca" kind of way?

In a, there are much bigger issues to worry about than Israel kind of way. Way too much time is spent on it by both parties.

Like...? Remember this was the foreign policy debate, and the two biggest issues for American foreign policy are Middle Eastern security and China, Israel is a crucial component for Middle Eastern security and America's closest ally in addition to being perhaps the only non-North American country the general American public has an real grasp of. Major Foreign policy issue + at least some public interest = political discussion.

#57 Edited by CptBedlam (4438 posts) -

I don't care who won BUT GUYS GUYS.... RICH GALLUP WAS QUOTED BY A GERMAN MAGAZINE:

Sein Ur-Großvater habe im Ersten Weltkrieg für die USA gekämpft, schreibt Rich Gallup: "Wir haben noch sein Bajonett, falls die Regierung es zurückhaben will."

#58 Posted by Wraxend (539 posts) -

I remember watching a documentary and i think it said that Israel has the biggest Arms contract with America. I guess thats another reason Israel was a hot topic as its where the USA gets alot of its military tech from.

#59 Posted by CptBedlam (4438 posts) -

@Wraxend said:

I remember watching a documentary and i think it said that Israel has the biggest Arms contract with America. I guess thats another reason Israel was a hot topic as its where the USA gets alot of its military tech from.

Uhm, the other way round maybe?

#60 Edited by WarlockEngineerMoreDakka (432 posts) -

Neither won- they agreed on a few too many things for the debate to be exactly notable. As such- you'd think I should logically be saying it was a tie- but I default to neither cause I'm not voting for either of those damn clowns.

My favorite thing about this debate though: drones becoming the 4th most searched debate term on Google, even though they only got a passing mention. XD

Oh, and of course, Horses and Bayonets. :P

And Romney claiming Syria is Iran's 'path to the sea.' <_>

#61 Posted by lazyturtle (1227 posts) -

@Inkerman said:

Like...? Remember this was the foreign policy debate, and the two biggest issues for American foreign policy are Middle Eastern security and China, Israel is a crucial component for Middle Eastern security and America's closest ally in addition to being perhaps the only non-North American country the general American public has an real grasp of. Major Foreign policy issue + at least some public interest = political discussion.

Perhaps thats the problem. Instead of wanting to engage the region, we are supporting a single country there to appease religious fundamentalists at home. We've been close with Egypt for a long time..but not as close as we are with Israel Why not? Turkey too. We just haven't spend the time to develop those relationships because we've been too focused on one small country that is a significant part of the political problem in the region .

I'm not saying that we shouldn't be allies or that we should throw them to the dogs, but we should try to have more friends and allies in the region.

#62 Posted by Masin (131 posts) -

@Forderz: Mitt Romney doesn't believe that climate change is effected by humanity. He believes it is happening, but at a natural pace, without human interference.

#63 Posted by MariachiMacabre (6937 posts) -
@Claude
My dead mother won. I wonder if she is voting this year.
Sorry the Republicans would try to throw away her registration form. They're really cracking down on voter fraud by committing it a lot lately.
#64 Posted by Animasta (14460 posts) -

@WarlockEngineerMoreDakka said:

Neither won- they agreed on a few too many things for the debate to be exactly notable. As such- you'd think I should logically be saying it was a tie- but I default to neither cause I'm not voting for either of those damn clowns.

My favorite thing about this debate though: drones becoming the 4th most searched debate term on Google, even though they only got a passing mention. XD

Oh, and of course, Horses and Bayonets. :P

And Romney claiming Syria is Iran's 'path to the sea.' <_>

I refuse to believe that Romney is that dumb

#65 Posted by TooWalrus (12973 posts) -

I'm watching it now, I thought that whole "the 1980s called, they want their foreign policy back" thing was a joke. I'm so glad it wasn't.

#66 Posted by Divina_Rex (351 posts) -

@Animasta said:

@WarlockEngineerMoreDakka said:

Neither won- they agreed on a few too many things for the debate to be exactly notable. As such- you'd think I should logically be saying it was a tie- but I default to neither cause I'm not voting for either of those damn clowns.

My favorite thing about this debate though: drones becoming the 4th most searched debate term on Google, even though they only got a passing mention. XD

Oh, and of course, Horses and Bayonets. :P

And Romney claiming Syria is Iran's 'path to the sea.' <_>

I refuse to believe that Romney is that dumb

He said it, believe it.

#67 Posted by Bourbon_Warrior (4523 posts) -

@wmaustin55 said:

It's like Obama was slapping Mitt around with Mitt's own hands. STOP HITTING YOURSELF, STOP HITTING YOURSELF.

Yep. I don't live in America but this Mitt seems to have a short memory, it seems Obama remembers more that Mitt says instead of Mitt himself. Obama is such a great President after Bush and I think he should keep doing what he's doing.

#68 Posted by PillClinton (3284 posts) -

Must... resist... snidely rebutting... every comment... I don't agree with... and starting... inane ranting arguments with good people...

Gah, politics!

#69 Posted by _Zombie_ (1462 posts) -

The answer is obviously Batman.

#70 Posted by Animasta (14460 posts) -

@Divina_Rex said:

@Animasta said:

@WarlockEngineerMoreDakka said:

Neither won- they agreed on a few too many things for the debate to be exactly notable. As such- you'd think I should logically be saying it was a tie- but I default to neither cause I'm not voting for either of those damn clowns.

My favorite thing about this debate though: drones becoming the 4th most searched debate term on Google, even though they only got a passing mention. XD

Oh, and of course, Horses and Bayonets. :P

And Romney claiming Syria is Iran's 'path to the sea.' <_>

I refuse to believe that Romney is that dumb

He said it, believe it.

wooooooooow

#71 Posted by Chaser324 (5966 posts) -

I mailed in my ballot last week, so it's irrelevant to me.

Moderator
#72 Edited by Forderz (243 posts) -

Well, even if there's some disagreement on the root cause, I think talking about solutions to reduced global food production, higher sea levels and increased natural disasters would of been warranted. I think most of the blame can be placed on the questions chosen for the debate, and that was on the moderator.

#73 Posted by MariachiMacabre (6937 posts) -
@Animasta

@Divina_Rex said:

@Animasta said:

@WarlockEngineerMoreDakka said:

Neither won- they agreed on a few too many things for the debate to be exactly notable. As such- you'd think I should logically be saying it was a tie- but I default to neither cause I'm not voting for either of those damn clowns.

My favorite thing about this debate though: drones becoming the 4th most searched debate term on Google, even though they only got a passing mention. XD

Oh, and of course, Horses and Bayonets. :P

And Romney claiming Syria is Iran's 'path to the sea.' <_>

I refuse to believe that Romney is that dumb

He said it, believe it.

wooooooooow

That's fucking hilarious. He's even more of a joke to me now. His solutions boiled down to "I'd do what Obama did, but sooner." So clearly time travel isn't a problem for him.
#74 Posted by MideonNViscera (2257 posts) -

Romney seems like a knob, but everyone does compared to Obama. What a smooth motherfucker. Definitely between him and Master Chief.

#75 Posted by Godlyawesomeguy (6375 posts) -

@Red said:

I think Romney's hair was the big loser. Did anyone else notice that one strand out of place?

Not until Gary Whitta pointed it out on Twitter.

#76 Posted by laserbolts (5309 posts) -

Anyone with half a brain could see that Obama won the debate. Master chief did have some good points though.

#77 Posted by Dalai (6878 posts) -

The latest polls have Master Chief closing in on both Obama and Romney.

#78 Edited by zombie2011 (4941 posts) -

Seeing on election day i will be buying Halo 4, and not voting i would say Master Chief won.

#79 Posted by AltonBrown (923 posts) -

"I came to give America back its economy"

Master Chief 2012

#80 Posted by Animasta (14460 posts) -

@AltonBrown said:

"I came to give America back its economy"

Master Chief 2012

I will stop the flood of illegal immigrants

Master Chief 2012

#81 Posted by Red (5991 posts) -

@Godlyawesomeguy: I actually have twitter-proof that I pointed it out before him.

#82 Posted by mlarrabee (2759 posts) -

I finally got the chance to watch it. Good Lord...

It was like watching the school creep pick on the class stutterer. Obama was unbelievably childish and snarky, and Romney was vague and incompetent. I was hoping Ron Paul would arrive to take both by the scruffs of their necks, but both parties are too obtuse to select a decent candidate.

I must say, it's rather disconcerting when one's president doesn't recognize the world's two most powerful nations shouldering each other with espionage, antagonistically-motivated diplomacy, and displays of arms as the biggest threat to both of those nations.

Below are the actual numbers of active aircraft carriers and submarines (both nuclear and non-) by country. The lists are not complete, for "brevity's" sake:

US - 11 ACC - 71 SBM

China - 1 ACC - 63 SBM

North Korea - 58 SBM

Russia - 1 ACC - 48 SBM

Iran - 19 SBM

India - 1 ACC - 15 SBM

Turkey - 16 SBM

Japan - 16 SBM

UK - 1 ACC - 11 SBM

France - 1 ACC - 10 SBM

Romney is technically correct (sarcasm) that America has fewer military ships today than in 1916, but the US is still clearly the sole naval superpower. Obama's remark about horses and bayonets left me cocking an eyebrow. A rather infantile way to respond to an unintelligent statement, I thought.

Mr. Obama, I would love to see the return of the economic policies of the 1920s.

"Time is money."

Except it is not.

Time is potential work. Work is potential value. Value is potential economic power. Producing economic power through artificial market manipulation causes a value vacuum. An intelligent business person hoping to expand would invest time, work, and value in further markets rather than flood the current market which would cause item devaluation through simple supply-and-demand. America has been producing and investing synthetic currency without the foundational investment of Time into Work to produce Value. Bush didn't destroy the US economy. Obama didn't destroy the US economy. Wall Street didn't destroy the US economy. The slow stabbing of the US economy is seen in the Federal Reserve Act of 1913, the Emergency Banking Act of 1933, the Gold Reserve Act of 1934, the Nixon Shock of 1971, and other acts of the incompetent and unindustrious.

The world is burning, the politicians have lit it, and the citizens are warming their hands at their neighbor's blazing picket fence.

Time to play video games.

#83 Edited by Milkman (16228 posts) -

I just saw the debate so forgive my lateness.

I truly don't understand how anyone can be a Romney supporter when he doesn't even know what his own policies are. He spent the entire debate (and most of the other ones as well) completely contradicting everything he's ever said leading up to the election. First, he said that setting a withdrawal date for exiting Afghanistan was foolish, last night he said he'd do it in four years (which, by the way, is EXACTLY what Obama has been saying for months). Then he says we need to threaten Iran and show them who's boss, now all he talks about is peaceful negotiations. I literally couldn't tell you what his policies are anymore and I doubt he could either. It's simply a guy willing to say whatever it takes to become president and it's extremely distressing that so many people are going to fall for it.

Not that Obama is completely innocent either. His refusal to move past the Bush-era foreign policy is distressing in itself but at least I know what his policies are.

#84 Posted by MariachiMacabre (6937 posts) -
@Animasta

@AltonBrown said:

"I came to give America back its economy"

Master Chief 2012

I will stop the flood of illegal immigrants

Master Chief 2012

The Covanent of Liberalism must be stopped.

Chief/Johnson 2012
#85 Edited by Animasta (14460 posts) -

romney just makes me really bummed the smart republican candidate didn't get in (huntsman, that is)

or at least Cain, because Cain would be goddamn hilarious

#86 Posted by MariachiMacabre (6937 posts) -
@Animasta

romney just makes me really bummed the smart republican candidate didn't get in (huntsman, that is)

or at least Cain, because Cain would be goddamn hilarious

I feel the exact same way about Huntsman. The fact that he was among the least popular of the candidates is a clear indication of the dire straits that party is heading down.
#87 Posted by SpartanHoplite (384 posts) -

Whoever wins, we lose.

#88 Posted by Draxyle (1719 posts) -

@Milkman said:

I just saw the debate so forgive my lateness.

I truly don't understand how anyone can be a Romney supporter when he doesn't even know what his own policies are. He spent the entire debate (and most of the other ones as well) completely contradicting everything he's ever said leading up to the election. First, he said that setting a withdrawal date for exiting Afghanistan was foolish, last night he said he'd do it in four years (which, by the way, is EXACTLY what Obama has been saying for months). Then he says we need to threaten Iran and show them who's boss, now all he talks about is peaceful negotiations. I literally couldn't tell you what his policies are anymore and I doubt he could either. It's simply a guy willing to say whatever it takes to become president and it's extremely distressing that so many people are going to fall for it.

Not that Obama is completely innocent either. His refusal to move past the Bush-era foreign policy is distressing in itself but at least I know what his policies are.

Completely agreed. These debates have been Romney arguing against the last year of "campaign Romney", who has been campaigning against his own record as "Governor Romney". Who or what the heck is he then? How do his supporters reconcile the severe cognitive dissonance going on? I've been deeply entrenched in politics these last couple years and I don't think I've seen a more blatantly two-faced politician.

And there's almost no one within the party or Fox News that will actually dare critique these turns of events. The Democrats might be ineffectual and divided, but I'm glad they are so that there's actually some process of introspection and debate amongst them that keeps the party (somewhat) in check.

#89 Posted by Apparatus_Unearth (3031 posts) -

Lotta love for Israel.

#90 Posted by A_Talking_Donkey (262 posts) -

Mitt if beating yourself counts as victory. If not, Obama won.

#91 Posted by TruthTellah (7641 posts) -

@Animasta said:

romney just makes me really bummed the smart republican candidate didn't get in (huntsman, that is)

or at least Cain, because Cain would be goddamn hilarious

I hate this thread, but I just had to thank you for mentioning what a quality guy Huntsman was! I wish there was a third party where the smart, reasonable people from both Parties could just come together and leave the two extremes to drive themselves into the ground.

#92 Posted by l4wd0g (1816 posts) -

The US citizens lost.

#93 Posted by A_Talking_Donkey (262 posts) -

@TruthTellah said:

@Animasta said:

romney just makes me really bummed the smart republican candidate didn't get in (huntsman, that is)

or at least Cain, because Cain would be goddamn hilarious

I hate this thread, but I just had to thank you for mentioning what a quality guy Huntsman was! I wish there was a third party where the smart, reasonable people from both Parties could just come together and leave the two extremes to drive themselves into the ground.

If you think the democrat party and the republican party are on extreme opposite ends of some spectrum you've probably never paid attention to world politics. Compared to politicians in other first world countries democrats are moderate center at best, though closer to center-right. Republicans are far enough right to call extreme though. Reasonable isn't somewhere between the two, reasonable is somewhere left of democrat. Green is what I'd call a fairly reasonable party, Socialist Party USA might be a bit too far left, but somewhere between those parties is where most first world countries are. American politics are backwards and bordering on third world.

#94 Posted by Animasta (14460 posts) -

@A_Talking_Donkey: I'm totally voting for the green party even though that vote doesn't mean anything