Toast: The Great Debate

When you put bread in the toaster, and toast it, it becomes toast.

Seems simple enough, eh? 

So tell me, then, at what point in the toasting process does bread no longer exist as bread, but as toast?

For me, its when it starts to get burnt in the middle.

When it tastes different from bread, then it's toast :P

no idea.

When the total amount of normal bread compound particles are less than the total amount of converted maltose particles

The point where it gets dark.

When it's brown and toasty?

"no idea.

but you hvnt talked to me in ages.

"

That equation is not full yet.  You have to account for the size of the slice of bread, temperature of toaster, and other variables.

hmmm, well too toasty and it cuts the roof of  your mouth :(

when its crunchy...duh

You just blew my mind.

i think its just toasted bread when it gets a bit hard

"That equation is not full yet.  You have to account for the size of the slice of bread, temperature of toaster, and other variables."

"CitizenKane said:

"That equation is not full yet.  You have to account for the size of the slice of bread, temperature of toaster, and other variables."

We don't have.... the technology! :[
"

"mybigpose said:

"no idea.

but you hvnt talked to me in ages.

"

I read your blogs, although you may not know it ^_^
"

when the bread comes out of the toaster

i think that this is overthinking

probably when it beings to burn (or brown).

When its crispy enough to make the sound

Hmm i just rely on this song to guide me http://youtube.com/watch?v=Ru_FIwX1tb8

When it starts to get a crispy texture and a golden brown colour.

As soon as you put it in the toaster it's toast. However, if it's not fully toasted then it's just "unfinished toast".

I think this is a good metaphysical question.  It follows the same logic as the paradox "The Heap" where in:

We can say that 1000 grains suitably arranged, make a heap, now if we take 1 grain away from it making it 999 grains, we can still say it is a heap, if we continue to do this, down, 998, 997, 996.... 9, 8, 7, 6, 5, 4, 3, 2....  they are all still heaps, once we bring it down to 2, and then take one more away we show that 1 grain is still a heap, never changing from its larger state.  But reason shows that there is no way that it can be a heap.

So MAYBE toast is just "cooked bread" that has been cooked to a certain degree, that is said different for each person.

It's a simple formula, really. Here are the variables:
g = gravity = 9.81 m/s
t = weight of the toast
f = temperature of the toaster (in celsius)
b = weight of the bread
Ti = initial of putting bread in toaster
Tf = final temperature of toast after it's done
Ep = potential chemical energy the bread has
Ek = kinetic energy the toaster gives during toasting
E = efficiency of the toaster
O = output mechanical energy
I = Input mechanical energy
x = point in time at which bread becomes toast

And here's' the formula, just plug it into your calculator.
x squared = 2(Ep + Ek) + (Ti - Tf) / (gtf) - b x 10 to the power of 3 + 2(O/I) + E

...and square root the answer. There you go. My bread became toast approximately 76.2736 seconds in. Pretty fast if you think about it.

Yes I'm bored right now.

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"It's a simple formula, really. Here are the variables:
g = gravity = 9.81 m/s
t = weight of the toast
f = temperature of the toaster (in celsius)
b = weight of the bread
Ti = initial of putting bread in toaster
Tf = final temperature of toast after it's done
Ep = potential chemical energy the bread has
Ek = kinetic energy the toaster gives during toasting
E = efficiency of the toaster
O = output mechanical energy
I = Input mechanical energy
x = point in time at which bread becomes toast

And here's' the formula, just plug it into your calculator.
x squared = 2(Ep + Ek) + (Ti - Tf) / (gtf) - b x 10 to the power of 3 + 2(O/I) + E

...and square root the answer. There you go. My bread became toast approximately 76.2736 seconds in. Pretty fast if you think about it.

Yes I'm bored right now.
"

"pirate_republic said:

"It's a simple formula, really. Here are the variables:
g = gravity = 9.81 m/s
t = weight of the toast
f = temperature of the toaster (in celsius)
b = weight of the bread
Ti = initial of putting bread in toaster
Tf = final temperature of toast after it's done
Ep = potential chemical energy the bread has
Ek = kinetic energy the toaster gives during toasting
E = efficiency of the toaster
O = output mechanical energy
I = Input mechanical energy
x = point in time at which bread becomes toast

And here's' the formula, just plug it into your calculator.
x squared = 2(Ep + Ek) + (Ti - Tf) / (gtf) - b x 10 to the power of 3 + 2(O/I) + E

...and square root the answer. There you go. My bread became toast approximately 76.2736 seconds in. Pretty fast if you think about it.
"

Impressive, now we just need to lab this entire thing, I think it has possibilities.  The problem is that I'm not sure if you correctly accounted for the Black Hole Theorem of Toasting, There actually a large difference between toast and bread, the toaster is more of a transport device that sends the bread to a quantum parallel dimension where there is only toast, your bread is put in the same time someone in that parallel dimension puts in toast, through a complex worm hole that is then opened by the toaster, the two products switch, giving us our wonderfully delicious toast, and there giving them their softer bread (these people might not have teeth, thusly explaining why they would want to recieve bread instead of toast (easier to chew)."

Toast is always bread, but when you can see some type of brown (excluding the crust) on it, you have toast.

toast is just an abbreviation of toasted bread

The exact moment when the sugars in the bread begin to caramelize.  Being that high fructose corn syrup is the main ingredient in most factory bread(just to make it simpler so I don't have to go into how russian, german, middle eastern and other variations of bread contain).

And since oxidation of fructose happens at around 230 degrees Fahrenheit, that is about the time you will witness toasting occur.


/thread.

"fr33lanc3r said:

"pirate_republic said:

"It's a simple formula, really. Here are the variables:
g = gravity = 9.81 m/s
t = weight of the toast
f = temperature of the toaster (in celsius)
b = weight of the bread
Ti = initial of putting bread in toaster
Tf = final temperature of toast after it's done
Ep = potential chemical energy the bread has
Ek = kinetic energy the toaster gives during toasting
E = efficiency of the toaster
O = output mechanical energy
I = Input mechanical energy
x = point in time at which bread becomes toast

And here's' the formula, just plug it into your calculator.
x squared = 2(Ep + Ek) + (Ti - Tf) / (gtf) - b x 10 to the power of 3 + 2(O/I) + E

...and square root the answer. There you go. My bread became toast approximately 76.2736 seconds in. Pretty fast if you think about it.
"

Impressive, now we just need to lab this entire thing, I think it has possibilities.  The problem is that I'm not sure if you correctly accounted for the Black Hole Theorem of Toasting, There actually a large difference between toast and bread, the toaster is more of a transport device that sends the bread to a quantum parallel dimension where there is only toast, your bread is put in the same time someone in that parallel dimension puts in toast, through a complex worm hole that is then opened by the toaster, the two products switch, giving us our wonderfully delicious toast, and there giving them their softer bread (these people might not have teeth, thusly explaining why they would want to recieve bread instead of toast (easier to chew)."

Of course, how could I have forgotten!

I am however having trouble accounting for the sudden rate of acceleration the toast would receive as it jumps from the parallel dimension into ours, because as there is no gravity in the quantum space continuum, and as all energy is sucked into the black hole. The only possible explanation is that  the user of the toaster is transported, not the bread! This would mean that in the matter dimension, bread exists as bread, and in the anti-matter parallel dimension bread exists as toast. When you turn the toaster on, the quantum hyper-space drive of the toaster kicks on, and your Atoms as encrypted into ACII code (with a non-dictionary word password) and transported through hyperspace until you reacher the end of time and space, and end up where you started, however when you Atoms in decrypted, you are in the anti-matter universe, and the bread you put in the toaster, is now toast.

The only problem is, do you stay in this dimension after you eat your toast? There is no bread, so if you went to get more bread, it would already be toast, perhaps you go back to the original dimension after the toast leaves the toaster? I'll update if I figure out the correct formula.

EDIT: I give up. Perhaps you could assist me on this one?"

"i think its just toasted bread when it gets a bit hard
"

When it gets that golden brown color and becomes crunchy.

"pirate_republic said:

"fr33lanc3r said:

"pirate_republic said:

"It's a simple formula, really. Here are the variables:
g = gravity = 9.81 m/s
t = weight of the toast
f = temperature of the toaster (in celsius)
b = weight of the bread
Ti = initial of putting bread in toaster
Tf = final temperature of toast after it's done
Ep = potential chemical energy the bread has
Ek = kinetic energy the toaster gives during toasting
E = efficiency of the toaster
O = output mechanical energy
I = Input mechanical energy
x = point in time at which bread becomes toast

And here's' the formula, just plug it into your calculator.
x squared = 2(Ep + Ek) + (Ti - Tf) / (gtf) - b x 10 to the power of 3 + 2(O/I) + E

...and square root the answer. There you go. My bread became toast approximately 76.2736 seconds in. Pretty fast if you think about it.
"

Impressive, now we just need to lab this entire thing, I think it has possibilities.  The problem is that I'm not sure if you correctly accounted for the Black Hole Theorem of Toasting, There actually a large difference between toast and bread, the toaster is more of a transport device that sends the bread to a quantum parallel dimension where there is only toast, your bread is put in the same time someone in that parallel dimension puts in toast, through a complex worm hole that is then opened by the toaster, the two products switch, giving us our wonderfully delicious toast, and there giving them their softer bread (these people might not have teeth, thusly explaining why they would want to recieve bread instead of toast (easier to chew)."

Of course, how could I have forgotten!

I am however having trouble accounting for the sudden rate of acceleration the toast would receive as it jumps from the parallel dimension into ours, because as there is no gravity in the quantum space continuum, and as all energy is sucked into the black hole. The only possible explanation is that  the user of the toaster is transported, not the bread! This would mean that in the matter dimension, bread exists as bread, and in the anti-matter parallel dimension bread exists as toast. When you turn the toaster on, the quantum hyper-space drive of the toaster kicks on, and your Atoms as encrypted into ACII code (with a non-dictionary word password) and transported through hyperspace until you reacher the end of time and space, and end up where you started, however when you Atoms in decrypted, you are in the anti-matter universe, and the bread you put in the toaster, is now toast.

The only problem is, do you stay in this dimension after you eat your toast? There is no bread, so if you went to get more bread, it would already be toast, perhaps you go back to the original dimension after the toast leaves the toaster? I'll update if I figure out the correct formula.

EDIT: I give up. Perhaps you could assist me on this one?"

Would there really be a rate of acceleration though?  If it's a parallel dimension, would it not be as simply as stepping across to said dimension?  Much like folding space, of Dune popularity? "

i think its ok to call it toast when its crunchy

When you put butter and jelly on it and make it amazing!!!

it happens when heat slightly cooks the bread hence toasting it. Same rule applies for poached egg.

You are not susposed to know what happens inside the toaster!

It's against the laws of physics!

I feel something very bad is going to happen...