Tripoli under Rebel control, 2 of Gaddafis Sons Captured.
http://english.aljazeera.net/watch_now/ Live coverage of the final hours of the Libyan Revolution
The end of Gaddafis rule is now no longer in doubt. The thousands of dead protesters are now being avenged.
Edit: Apparently the battle for Tripoli was co-ordinated with NATO. Article on the battle here:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2011_Battle_of_Tripoli
I wonder how great the NATO air involvement will be praised, or scorned, by the rebels now that they've finally taken Tripoli...
Stay tuned as the former rebel leadership become Gaddafi v2.0 and begin their own brand of crushing military dictatorship!
Hopefully this all ends with a stable, fair government. God do I hope so much for this to end well.
@Tim_the_Corsair said:
Stay tuned as the former rebel leadership become Gaddafi v2.0 and begin their own brand of crushing military dictatorship!
@Tim_the_Corsair said:
Stay tuned as the former rebel leadership become Gaddafi v2.0 and begin their own brand of crushing military dictatorship!
I really, really, really hope you're wrong.
I remember when Gaddafi got bombed in 1986. I was in the US Navy. Of course, the only action I saw was a tv screen while in a bar, but it was free drinks all around.
I hope it turns out well for the people.
Happens all the time. Toppled dictatorship, new struggle for power between rival ethnic, military, and political groups. One group climbs up to be the new victor, though is unable to control dissent. Martial law is declared and a new regime is built.@Tim_the_Corsair said:
Stay tuned as the former rebel leadership become Gaddafi v2.0 and begin their own brand of crushing military dictatorship!
I really, really, really hope you're wrong.
at least one that understands nato and the countries involved really are on their side.Thanks for the laugh. I'm sure all the bodies of all the dead civilians killed during NATO bombings will help them understand that.
@deathstriker666 said:
@MariachiMacabre said:Happens all the time. Toppled dictatorship, new struggle for power between rival ethnic, military, and political groups. One group climbs to be the new victor, though is unable to control dissent. Martial law is declared and a new regime is built.@Tim_the_Corsair said:
Stay tuned as the former rebel leadership become Gaddafi v2.0 and begin their own brand of crushing military dictatorship!
I really, really, really hope you're wrong.
I know it does. I would just like to see one country in the Middle East or Africa not turn out that way.
if we didnt help everyone would cry and gadaffi would still be there. we try our best to help and yes civilian casualites are part of war
but now were evil still. thats why i say let em all just kill each other.
Also, you're ignorant if you really think it's about helping those people.
Libya isn't in the Middle East - it's North African.@deathstriker666 said:
@MariachiMacabre said:Happens all the time. Toppled dictatorship, new struggle for power between rival ethnic, military, and political groups. One group climbs to be the new victor, though is unable to control dissent. Martial law is declared and a new regime is built.@Tim_the_Corsair said:
Stay tuned as the former rebel leadership become Gaddafi v2.0 and begin their own brand of crushing military dictatorship!
I really, really, really hope you're wrong.
I know it does. I would just like to see one country in the Middle East not turn out that way.
@tunaburn: Nobody was complaning when you weren't there. Also, you're ignorant if you really think it's about helping those people.You missed the part where the rebels were demanding foreign intervention when Gaddafi's forces were marching on their main city's doors. They were in fact complaining that "we" weren't there.
@tunaburn: Nobody was complaning when you weren't there. Also, you're ignorant if you really think it's about helping those people.You realize that the rebels complained that there weren't enough air strikes right?
If you really look at what's going around, you'd see that people in Myanmar and Sudan among others have way worse livestyle than people in Irak, Lybia or Iran ever did, and you don't see western nations jumping to the rescue.
@Chirotera said:
@MariachiMacabre said:Libya isn't in the Middle East - it's North African.@deathstriker666 said:
@MariachiMacabre said:Happens all the time. Toppled dictatorship, new struggle for power between rival ethnic, military, and political groups. One group climbs to be the new victor, though is unable to control dissent. Martial law is declared and a new regime is built.@Tim_the_Corsair said:
Stay tuned as the former rebel leadership become Gaddafi v2.0 and begin their own brand of crushing military dictatorship!
I really, really, really hope you're wrong.
I know it does. I would just like to see one country in the Middle East not turn out that way.
Yeah, I know. My bad, but it's the same basic concept. They all seem to be in the same boat.
Its true the people of libya hates Muammar Muhammad al-Gaddafi
1 million pro gaddafi marching on the green squre (the libyan pop is 6 mil)
Also really
wikipedia?
CNN?
aljazeera?
can it be filled with more pro western propeganda? well maby fox
Go read some real news
http://whatreallyhappened.com/
In media it's either one extreme or the other.
@Turambar: Of course they would, but the rebels are not the majority. If you really look at what's going around, you'd see that people in Myanmar and Sudan among others have way worse livestyle than people in Irak, Lybia or Iran ever did, and you don't see western nations jumping to the rescue.No one is arguing that this was done purely out of humanitarian obligations. However, when one tries to argue against acts that have humanitarian results even as a by product (in this case the prevention of the massacre of an entire city), they are deemed idiotic.
Also, I wasn't aware that there were any reliable statistics on who is in the majority in Libya, making that line of argument pointless.
Not to mention that 90% of the Tribes are also in favor of Gadaffi.
Also, what exactly is the humanitarian result here? Installing a pro-western government that will suck the nation's resources dry? or Installing a new, possibly worse dictatorship as has been the case countless of other times?
@Turambar: Just because you aren't aware of it doesn't make it pointless. A million people marching pro Gadaffi in Tripoli alone in a six million people country is quite a fucking lot. Not to mention that 90% of the Tribes are also in favor of Gadaffi.Actually it does. Of the two examples you listed, the former is unreliable because its easy to support something when to go against it means death. The latter is unreliable because the various tribes are pragmatic in their support, and will switch allegiances if a new regime with a strong military arm pops up.
I do think i get the full picture
all sides always try to sell you its propeganda
But even WRH have normally some basis on fact while cnn and fox news spreads its lies aka just recently both where reporting the buses witch where attacked in Israel where ``civilian`` while in fact it was filled with off duty soilders
LIES
@Turambar: Also, what exactly is the humanitarian result here? Installing a pro-western government that will suck the nation's resources dry? or Installing a new, possibly worse dictatorship as has been the case countless of other times?I just mentioned it in the parentheses. If Gaddafi took Benghazi, I think we can all agree that the city would have seen a massacre. I also hope we agree that massacres are bad.
Yes, much of the media I consume, simply as a matter of location, has a pro-western filter on it. Though just for the record I also do watch Al Jazeera and Sino Vision. That said, a biased filter doesn't really alter the fact that the initial February protests caused by the Arab Spring was cracked down upon violently resulting in many deaths. Those basic facts don't really change.@Turambar: The thing is, you don't really know if going against it means death beyond what you've been fed by the media. I'm not saying Gadaffi is a saint, but I live in a country where the government has been demonized internationally and called a billion different evil things. I've seen how twisted the media can be when refering to something they don't like and I've seen people going to march not because they have a gun pointed to their heads, but because they want to show their support. So it's easier for me to see the other side of the coin.
And hey, you're not the only one on the receiving end of pro-western propaganda. I'm Chinese, and despite currently living in the US, I am still a Chinese citizen with plenty of contact with my family there as well as first hand knowledge of the years I spent there before moving across the ocean. But we all know what the media perception of that country is, right? And you know what? A lot of them are earned. A lot are not, but it's in fact not all lies.
@Black_Rose said:@Turambar: Also, what exactly is the humanitarian result here? Installing a pro-western government that will suck the nation's resources dry? or Installing a new, possibly worse dictatorship as has been the case countless of other times?I just mentioned it in the parentheses. If Gaddafi took Benghazi, I think we can all agree that the city would have seen a massacre. I also hope we agree that massacres are bad.
Yeah becuse Gaddafi hates the libyan people and they hate him
But I'm not gonna argue anymore, nothing good is bound to come from this.
@MikeinSC said:
@MariachiMacabre said:Hopefully. History indicates...that isn't happening.Hopefully this all ends with a stable, fair government. God do I hope so much for this to end well.
Yep. Pretty clearly, too.
More from our correspondent Matthew Price. He says Saif al-Islam appeared buoyed up and confident when he arrived at the hotel. Asked where he believed the balance of power lay, he said: "We have broken the backbone of the rebels. It was a trap. We gave them a hard time, so we're winning".
From the BBC page. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-14610722
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