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#101 Posted by GoofyGoober (937 posts) -

Chrome.

#102 Posted by laserbolts (5310 posts) -

Internet Explorer does the job for me.

#103 Posted by TheHBK (5458 posts) -

Not Firefox because I like having a browser that doesn't think all the RAM on my PC belongs to it.

CHROME FTW

#104 Posted by CaLe (3897 posts) -

The poll speaks for itself.

Online
#105 Posted by louiedog (2333 posts) -

I loved Firefox for so many years, but it got to the point where every version seemed to get worse than the last. It would hog more and more RAM without giving it back. It would freeze up on me. It happened on multiple computers with extensions on or off. It had to go.

I switched to Chrome. There's still one extension that I like that isn't available on Chrome, but I'll survive. What I really like is how well the built in sync options work. I know there are solutions for other browsers, but Chrome does it best in my opinion. I can seamlessly switch between my desktop and laptop regardless of the operating system I boot into. That's great.

#106 Posted by GalacticPunt (1016 posts) -

I hung with Firefox for years, but the issues that the Whiskey sites had with it eventually pushed me to fully embrace Chrome.

It just works. (hey, maybe someone should use that for a slogan...)

#107 Posted by Jrinswand (1695 posts) -
@GalacticPunt said:

I hung with Firefox for years, but the issues that the Whiskey sites had with it eventually pushed me to fully embrace Chrome.

It just works. (hey, maybe someone should use that for a slogan...)

What issues are those? I've never had any problems.
#108 Posted by mikey87144 (1649 posts) -

I'm more interested in why some people prefer IE.

#109 Posted by Jack268 (3387 posts) -

Chrome. I dislike how many processes it starts for each tab though. I would switch to Opera if it had as many plugins.

#110 Posted by GalacticPunt (1016 posts) -

@Jrinswand: For about a year, any time I would use the arrow keys to scroll a Giant Bomb page, it would just jump to the very bottom or top of the page. People would bring this up occasionally in "Bug Reporting" and no one seemed to look at it.

Weirdly enough, a caller brought up the Firefox bug in the subscriber livestream with Dave and Alexis a month ago, and Dave was authentically surprised. Tons of people in the chat were saying they had the same problem, so Snider basically said "That sounds messed up, we're definitely going to look at that" and he and his Top Men finally squashed the bug in recent weeks.

#111 Posted by Daveyo520 (6651 posts) -

Chrome. Used to be a FF guy but idk, I just like Chrome now.

#112 Posted by TehJedicake (875 posts) -

Wow, a lot more chrome votes than firefox, didn't really expect that.

Chrome is indeed faster, not by much, but I still prefer Firefoxes safety and amazing adblock.

#113 Posted by Hector (3352 posts) -

Chrome.

#114 Posted by PenguinDust (12442 posts) -

FireFox. I switched to Chrome for about a year, but I returned to Firefox and am very pleased. It's comfortable.

#115 Posted by Robot_Sneakers (418 posts) -

Chrome

#116 Posted by Swoxx (2988 posts) -

One that checks your spelling.

#117 Posted by InternetCrab (1504 posts) -

I rock Chrome, son.

CHROME NO TAKE NO SHIT

#118 Posted by Fistoh (119 posts) -

I myself use Firefox, although I'd say Firefox and Chrome are about equal, it's just that I discovered Firefox before I had discovered Chrome, and have stuck with Firefox ever since.

#119 Posted by egg (1450 posts) -

I really like NoScript for one thing, but another real deal breaker is being able to switch the placement of 'Open in New Tab' with 'Open in New Window'. I don't know whether this is possible on a browser that isn't Firefox.

#120 Posted by chocolaterhinovampire (1287 posts) -

Chrome all day every day

#121 Posted by Zelyre (1105 posts) -

Firefox + adblock + noscript

I'd use Chrome, but I've not found a plugin that works as well as noscript does. I've got 16 gigs of ram. Who cares if Firefox is using 8 and all i've got open is gmail and giant bomb!

#122 Posted by odezma (13 posts) -

@SeriouslyNow said:

@odezma said:

@SeriouslyNow: Yeah Adblock Plus sucks. I just use the regular Adblock extension. And the Noscript for Chrome is called ScriptNo and it works great. I disable it when ordering things and what not since it can interfere with payment processing.

My one problem really with Firefox is clients who prefer it over Chrome get infected easily by the fake website scanners way too often since Firefox's "attack sites and forgeries list" doesn't block many of them like Chrome. Then again, even Chrome has misses no browsers perfect.

I definitely like how chrome doesn't crash the whole browser in case of flash or add-on problems, it just adds that oops message and you just refresh the page. Firefox has the plugin container for handling the add-ons in a separate instance but even it crashes along with the browser.

I sometimes suggest a move over to Ubuntu to get around viruses/malware depending on what they use their computer for. In the end it's all about what browser or OS a user prefers. My rank of the browsers is (1. Chrome 2. Firefox 3. Opera), all other browsers are left to the sharks.

ScriptNo isn't as effective as Noscript because Chrome's base doesn't allow for such granular filtering as FF does.

Firefox's attack sites and forgeries list is the same exact one used by Google and IE, it's just a blocklist maintained by a third party group of antimalware companies and specialists.

Flash doesn't crash Firefox either, that's the whole point of Firefox loading Flash through a virtualised client process (and it's been that way for a long time too). The plugin container is MEANT to be able to be crashed as it runs in separate process (also it's a lot more secure too because it protects against script injections as FF can just judiciously close that process if the hash fails when writing to or reading from memory which is also how the crash/error trap is detected). That oops message occurs in FF too mate, with the sick face icon.

You prefer Chrome and that's cool but your assumptions aren't based in fact.

My response in no particular order:

- Never said that there is no oops page in Firefox and it only displays 1/3 of the time. Both the plugin-container and browser crash, you make like it's impossible for firefox.exe to crash. If I disable flash and the plugin-container/oopp in about:config it doesn't crash cause of flash anymore but still crashes cause of bugs here and there but not anywhere near as much.

- Chrome creates a "separate process" for each extension enabled and also for windows/tabs open Firefox doesn't. The beta builds of Firefox are starting to get better let alone crash somewhat less. They will introduce a new approach on handling it hopefully. Shit have you ever worked with the Firefox code base. Firefox code keeps getting more bloated let alone un-optimized.

- Yes the attack sites and forgeries list are the same, but I forgot to mention with the added security features which Chrome has which Firefox doesn't. I should of worded it "My problem with Firefox is clients who prefer it over Chrome get infected easily by the fake website scanners way too often since the Firefox "attack sites and forgeries list" which is the same as Chromes but doesn't block many of them which aren't blacklisted on its own cause of the added security features in Chrome." I'll bite the bullet on that mistake. Sorry to say it but Chrome is ahead of the game.

- When you use words like "granular filtering" to describe something technical, it's a good idea to know the definition of the word. Since when does NoScript/Firefox filter organic material? That gave me a good laugh thanks. Game over man…game over.

- I've been a programmer/technician for 20 years and web designer for the past 15, so I'm not your basic user who doesn't understand software/code or problems that arise. Firefox is a piece of shit when it comes to debugging code. Let alone it can't even handle over 30 browser tabs, even in separate windows without crashing or locking up. And just in case you mention it, it's not a memory issue since I have 16gb of ram.

- The future 3.0 version of noscript does seem promising especially for mobile devices from testing the alpha releases. Oh and if you ever really look at the changelog for noscript you'll realize even it has issues/bugs but thanks to the users it gets better just like scriptno and both are open source so you could update it for new vulnerabilities or customize it to your liking.

- Chrome is ahead of all browsers per user base and as well when it comes to html5 support.

- My nightmare experience of crashes with Firefox let alone others who have the same problems is not an assumption since the internet is full of the same experiences. Glad we had this chat and fact is you prefer Firefox and that's cool.

#123 Posted by SeriouslyNow (8534 posts) -

@odezma: I often have 16-30 tabs open. I have 8 GB of RAM. Firefox and its betas rarely crash on me.

I am finding it hard to continue this conversation, wanna know why? Because you're one of those people who seeks to denigrate the person's argument with irrelevancies and straw-men rather than facts or the issues themselves. Granular filtering is regularly used to describe technical processes. Every heard of a binary chop or bayesian filter Mr 20 Year Programmer? Those are two forms of granular filtering. What about granular sampling synthesisers in House Music? Yes, again a process which uses granular filtering. Granular filtering refers, quite commonly, to the ability for any given algorithm or system to deal with many smaller components of data and manage them all in carefully orchestrated process where one part of that data will never override another unless the rules of the system or algorithm explicitly say so.

Chrome will never offer such scripting capabilities to its developers or end users because Google doesn't want any conflict with its AdSense and AdWords business models and so those things always take preference (which is why Adblock of any sort of Chrome, even in things like Iron, still downloads the ad frame data and still can't avoid executing some of the contents). I've used Chrome and Chromium browsers extensively with ScriptNo and, sure, on the surface it offers much of the Firefox with Noscript experience, but then you'll come to a website which explicitly shouldn't load and lo and behold it does! Not only that but you get some popunder too. That's because Chrome's base doesn't offer proper granular filtering and never will. Why do you think that some people flock to Chromium based browsers over Chrome itself? Could it be that they don't want their data being constantly shared with Google?

Chrome just runs a separate process for each tab, that's it, that's all. The contents of that tab are irrelevant. You're making stuff up to sound clever. That's not a security feature and it's actually a very dangerous practise when it comes to things like localised DoS attacks in current OS design (excluding Linux of course) because both OS X and Windows will elevate processes in order to manage them before killing them. I've worked as an Internet Security specialist and used to give lectures on these matters. The quickest way to take down a Windows system is to have many processes with the same id and get them all to be making requests at the same time. You end up with what's known as Thread Clashing. Which in turn can lead to the OS's thread manager (often in the same space as its security manager if we're talking current OS practices) being unable to deal with the requests and so the process manager steps in to override the security settings, elevates the process and then tries to kill it. Now, it's not meant to elevate the process but as all non elevated/userspace threads (there are a certain number of threads always made available to certain specific system aspects and are thus elevated by design) are busy/tied up in a thread clash those in elevated space are the only ones available and thus you get a case of one or more of those browser tab exes being given system rights....I don't think I need to explain the rest do I? Suffice to say it's bad.

Html5 support? I think you mean codec support. Html5 is a lot more than just video and while Chrome seems to have the codec licensing down (sorta, it's actually still in debate as I'm sure you know) while Firefox's isn't quite settled (yes they want to use a totally open source solution and others don't) the idea that they're the best in terms of Html5 is patently silly because the benchmarks are all over the shop; sometimes Chrome is faster, sometimes IE is faster and sometimes, even Firefox is faster. It depends very much on the source materials, the way the video was encoded and the way the page elements have been scripted together. As a programmer/technician (lolololol) you should know that. Do you know that?

Per user base? Did you just try and tell me that Chrome has a better or a larger user base? Really. Really? Browsers are apps. Apps. They can and often do coexist. Lies, damned lies and statistics. See above.

I dunno, I read your post and all I really get is that you've been burnt by Firefox crashing youtube puppy videos (I don't know what the content was but I'm will to assume it's something cute and fluffy over whateveritis you could be into) and so you go off on some rant filled with poor assertions, arse pulled statistics and silly assumptions to basically complain that Firefox crashed on you. Everything crashes at some point. So what? We're talking about browser capabilities, specifically Noscript vs ScriptNo and in that war Noscript has the edge because Firefox opens more of itself to scripting than Chrome ever will. Simple and to the point. I'm sorry your porn vids crashed Firefox.

#124 Posted by sungahymn (985 posts) -

Chrome FOR LIFE. Except when it crashes on me.

#125 Posted by DrPockets000 (2859 posts) -

Used to like Firefox, then ver. 3 was a broken piece of shit, and Google Chrome opened her arms and invited me into her warm embrace.

#126 Posted by SexualBubblegumX (542 posts) -

I'll always use Opera.

#127 Edited by Mendelson9 (401 posts) -

I use Chrome but I don't understand the point of it running different processes in the Task Manager. When one of the tabs crashed, the whole brower will still freeze up and I end up killing Chrome. Especially when Flash Player freaks out. I end up with a broken web browser. By the way the Chrome spell check is really bad. Too many times do I highlight the word and "Search in Google" to find the correct spelling. Any way to fix this?

The feature I love the most is the bookmarks and settings sync natively in the browser. Also Chrome runs superfast but I'm sure Firefox is still just as quick.

#128 Posted by DeiNile (37 posts) -

Opera is the shit!

#129 Posted by drGiggless (222 posts) -

@DeiNile said:

Opera is shit!

Fixed

#130 Posted by VetleNM (84 posts) -

Opera! I've synced the browser on my desktop PC, laptop and phone, so that I always have my bookmarks and speed dial updated just the way I want it. On my iPhone, Opera Mini has cut my data usage by 3/4. And on my main computers I just can't browse effectively without mouse gestures. (Sure, there are addons you can get for the other browsers, but why bother when Opera comes with it already installed?)

#131 Posted by JasonR86 (9587 posts) -

It was firefox until I got a new laptop with Windows 7. For some reason firefox sucks and has nearly unreadable text on my laptop now. So I'm staying with chrome and have grown to love it.

#132 Posted by spiceninja (3055 posts) -

Chrome. It's faster and looks better than the others. It also syncs all my history, bookmarks, log ins, and what have you to my Google account so I can have all my stuff from any computer as long as I'm using Chrome. It also has awesome Adblock and YouTube downloader extensions.

#133 Edited by Regal (434 posts) -

While I use Chrome, as I said, I'll add that I always keep a sympathy install of Firefox up to date on my main machine because all of the good they have done in the development of the browser. It would be a shame if FF became marginalized or even ceased development in the future due to the meteoric rise of Chrome as the major alternative to IE. I doubt it will happen, but with only IE and Safari, browsers would have been stuck in the past if it weren't for Firefox, just like Chrome evolved Firefox in turn. There needs to be strong alternatives.

#134 Posted by odezma (13 posts) -

@SeriouslyNow said:

@odezma: I often have 16-30 tabs open. I have 8 GB of RAM. Firefox and its betas rarely crash on me.

I am finding it hard to continue this conversation, wanna know why? Because you're one of those people who seeks to denigrate the person's argument with irrelevancies and straw-men rather than facts or the issues themselves. Granular filtering is regularly used to describe technical processes. Every heard of a binary chop or bayesian filter Mr 20 Year Programmer? Those are two forms of granular filtering. What about granular sampling synthesisers in House Music? Yes, again a process which uses granular filtering. Granular filtering refers, quite commonly, to the ability for any given algorithm or system to deal with many smaller components of data and manage them all in carefully orchestrated process where one part of that data will never override another unless the rules of the system or algorithm explicitly say so.

Chrome will never offer such scripting capabilities to its developers or end users because Google doesn't want any conflict with its AdSense and AdWords business models and so those things always take preference (which is why Adblock of any sort of Chrome, even in things like Iron, still downloads the ad frame data and still can't avoid executing some of the contents). I've used Chrome and Chromium browsers extensively with ScriptNo and, sure, on the surface it offers much of the Firefox with Noscript experience, but then you'll come to a website which explicitly shouldn't load and lo and behold it does! Not only that but you get some popunder too. That's because Chrome's base doesn't offer proper granular filtering and never will. Why do you think that some people flock to Chromium based browsers over Chrome itself? Could it be that they don't want their data being constantly shared with Google?

Chrome just runs a separate process for each tab, that's it, that's all. The contents of that tab are irrelevant. You're making stuff up to sound clever. That's not a security feature and it's actually a very dangerous practise when it comes to things like localised DoS attacks in current OS design (excluding Linux of course) because both OS X and Windows will elevate processes in order to manage them before killing them. I've worked as an Internet Security specialist and used to give lectures on these matters. The quickest way to take down a Windows system is to have many processes with the same id and get them all to be making requests at the same time. You end up with what's known as Thread Clashing. Which in turn can lead to the OS's thread manager (often in the same space as its security manager if we're talking current OS practices) being unable to deal with the requests and so the process manager steps in to override the security settings, elevates the process and then tries to kill it. Now, it's not meant to elevate the process but as all non elevated/userspace threads (there are a certain number of threads always made available to certain specific system aspects and are thus elevated by design) are busy/tied up in a thread clash those in elevated space are the only ones available and thus you get a case of one or more of those browser tab exes being given system rights....I don't think I need to explain the rest do I? Suffice to say it's bad.

Html5 support? I think you mean codec support. Html5 is a lot more than just video and while Chrome seems to have the codec licensing down (sorta, it's actually still in debate as I'm sure you know) while Firefox's isn't quite settled (yes they want to use a totally open source solution and others don't) the idea that they're the best in terms of Html5 is patently silly because the benchmarks are all over the shop; sometimes Chrome is faster, sometimes IE is faster and sometimes, even Firefox is faster. It depends very much on the source materials, the way the video was encoded and the way the page elements have been scripted together. As a programmer/technician (lolololol) you should know that. Do you know that?

Per user base? Did you just try and tell me that Chrome has a better or a larger user base? Really. Really? Browsers are apps. Apps. They can and often do coexist. Lies, damned lies and statistics. See above.

I dunno, I read your post and all I really get is that you've been burnt by Firefox crashing youtube puppy videos (I don't know what the content was but I'm will to assume it's something cute and fluffy over whateveritis you could be into) and so you go off on some rant filled with poor assertions, arse pulled statistics and silly assumptions to basically complain that Firefox crashed on you. Everything crashes at some point. So what? We're talking about browser capabilities, specifically Noscript vs ScriptNo and in that war Noscript has the edge because Firefox opens more of itself to scripting than Chrome ever will. Simple and to the point. I'm sorry your porn vids crashed Firefox.

Well at least you admit it happens and can maybe see my frustration with it happening more in my environment.

Whoa calm down man you don't even know me neither do I about you for that matter. I'm one of those who consider granular used to describe filtering in firefox or anything in the IT world etc. abuse of the word which is common practice in the english language. Not everyone uses it as a definition for these types of filtering like me who opposes it, its abuse of the word. "binary chop or bayesian filter" common knowledge, what I call true definitions and not abuse of the words or their original purpose as a definitionm, they mean just that. You could say the word granular has evolved, I see it as stepping backwards instead of forwards and shitting on it. ex. poop, I call it shit. pooped to me means tired or a ship deck, I don't acknowledge the slang just as I consider granular slang type misuse of it's original definition even though it isn't slang. I use fucked up instead of screwed up. Hope that part made sense sorry I'm tired long weekend.

It's open source, you can change anything you want. And saying never offer is an understatement considering how long chrome/chromium has been around compared to mozilla; things evolve and look at all the different forms of browsers based off of mozilla and firefox completely modified. I use custom builds of my own and I remove a lot of the junk code chrome has especially which deals with the handling of their ad services, search, gmail etc. There is a lot of code under the hood which is executed when you use certain services with their browser yes that's a known fact they don't hide it. Remember google didn't bow down and suck the governments cock when they requested info on users of their services, yahoo sure bent over quick, on another quick note like cookies etc have a purpose but can be exploited and abused.

I used to do the same with mozilla and then firefox with custom apps I developed as the internal browser, but chrome/chromium swept me away and I've been more relaxed with their coding standards and what not let alone the difference in speed and stability of applications I integrate it into. I will say I prefer using modified embedded firefox than IE's/no modify WYSIWYG any day.

As well a separate process for each extension, not made up or even to sound clever, it's a fact. DoS etc. attacks is another of the many reasons why we have software/hardware firewalls or safeguards in the os itself which we know windows in general is full of vulnerabilities, not the apps fault. Linux handles it well you're right, but I prefer FreeBSD since it's more ahead in my opinion since it's an os which is security focused unlike linux distros which are eye candy or unneeded feature focused to compete in the os killing fields. And the true security threat to any os's security is the people on the inside. Ubuntu is the only distro I have respect for, prior to that I was a slackware ditro guy.

These are old issues I feel, DoS attacks are so yesterday, there are far worse things to be worried about. You're right on the money about how vulnerable windows/Mac systems are, Linux/BSD are a fort knox in comparison to not allow such bad practices/standards. Problem is that the development decisions of the browser/os or any app for that matter decide it's fate. Let alone how mature you or your developer base is. There are great apps out there with ugly code and all but if isn't broke then don't fix it mentality some say wins unfortunately. Suffice to say you're right, one of the many mistakes we make, not thinking ahead security wise just the money it makes or it gets to big for its breeches.

I'm not talking about codec/video support nor speed, but standards support and larger use of the html5 language base. True, performance results vary between different browsers, it can be scary at times when IE outperforms the top dogs. To think that IE is even in the list with other top browsers let alone recognized.

Lies....ok, weblogs/stats speak for themselves. Things do coexist yes, but all things get superseded/evolve over time.

If you read my post, I said debugging in firefox sucks, in turn debugging flash/php etc. comes into play. I haven't stopped using firefox it's just not my main browser anymore for obvious reasons I've pointed out.

I don't need porn, that's what my wife is for, you don't need to get personal man, that's uncalled for on your part. We are talking about more than just noscript/scriptno/firefox/flash and what not now not needed at all and makes it hard for me to continue a conversation/debate with you but hey it's cool I'm enjoying it.

I'm glad to be at least talking to someone who is intelligent and of different views minus the insults, and the fact that we see facts or what not differently is what makes us human, everything in this world is heads or tails. Your response at the end of your last post that I responded to before through me off, so I apologize if I came off as being harsh with the granular response but I kept my cool at least without personal attacks. In the end, yes you got a little personal with the attacks but we can get along no matter what are differences in opinions/facts since I'm a passive humanist.

I've been following GiantBomb since the beginning but just now got a premium and decided to take part in the community. I see you've got lots of posts so you are a part of this big community and I don't want us to be enemies cause of differences in opinion or what not. Debates are healthy as long as they don't get personal.

Peace

#135 Posted by Azteck (7450 posts) -
@UncleClassy said:
Firefox because of dat Adblock
Yeah this basically. Adblock for Chrome is utter shit