Who Watches the Watchmen? I do.

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The moment has almost finally arrived. On Friday, March 6th, the general public will witness a film over a decade in the making. I'm talking of course, about Zach Snider's adaptation of Alan Moore's legendary graphic novel, Watchmen.

Ever since I saw the first trailer attached to The Dark Knight over the summer, I had to know more about the movie, and more importantly, its source material. I looked to Wikipedia for answers to my ever-growing list of questions, and found an overwhelming amount of information. After reading through the brief synopsis of the book, I realized the only true way to see what Watchmen was about was to experience it myself. That November I picked up a Trade Paperback copy of the entire series, and was hooked instantly. I finished the book in two days, burning the midnight oil to find out what would happen next to these fascinatiing characters. March simply couldn't come soon enough.

The early reviews of Zack Snyder's film have been generally positive, with the film hovering at 74% on the Rotten Tomatoes Tomatometer. I think that by Friday after every review is in, the film will be at around 80-85%. I highly doubt its chances at beating The Dark Knight in terms of critical praise, and it obviously won't make nearly as much money, but I think it has the potential to trump TDK solely in terms of what I consider to be the best "superhero" (and I use that term loosely) movie of all time.

The critics that have panned Watchmen all seem to have the same complaint: It's too much of a reverent tribute to the source material. Though I haven't seen the film, I cannot even begin to understand how this makes sense. Snyder changed the fucking ending in the film adaptation, how is that sticking too close to the source material? And more importantly, since when is it a bad thing to stick to the source material? Isn't that what us fans want?

I'm getting ahead of myself here though. I think Snyder obviously intended the film to be a huge fan service, and if critics can't understand it, then whatever. It's like they say, opinions are like assholes: everyone has one and every one stinks.

One more thing: The Watchmen game is going to suck, but I'll probably still buy it. There is a mall just outside the theater I'm going to on Friday, and I need MS Points anyway...I suppose I'll try my best to resist.

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#2  Edited By Lies

When visiting RottenTomatoes, the number to pay attention to is the top critics number.

Watchmen's top critics rating is 14.

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74 on Rotten Tomatoes?  Really?  Metacritic is, like, 36 when I last checked. 

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#4  Edited By Bulldog19892

This calls for celebration. Everyone must change their icon to something Watchmen related until Saturday.

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Bulldog19892 said:
"This calls for celebration. Everyone must change their icon to something Watchmen related until Saturday."
Let's just imagine that your icon and my icon represent the people looking up and shouting "Help us!"
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#6  Edited By Bulldog19892
Sir_Ragnarok said:
"Bulldog19892 said:
"This calls for celebration. Everyone must change their icon to something Watchmen related until Saturday."
Let's just imagine that your icon and my icon represent the people looking up and shouting "Help us!""
  No. That would assume that everyone has Skinny Fists, and I know for a fact that I do not. Oh, and it's "Save us!". Yes, I am that nerdy.
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Bulldog19892 said:
"Sir_Ragnarok said:
"Bulldog19892 said:
"This calls for celebration. Everyone must change their icon to something Watchmen related until Saturday."
Let's just imagine that your icon and my icon represent the people looking up and shouting "Help us!""
  No. That would assume that everyone has Skinny Fists, and I know for a fact that I do not."
Haha. 
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#8  Edited By prowlingmongoose

Done and done. (Rorschach is, without a doubt, my favorite character from the series).

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Sir_Ragnarok said:
"74 on Rotten Tomatoes?  Really?  Metacritic is, like, 36 when I last checked.  "
They're different types of aggregate sites.  Metacritic is pretty horrible in general in my opinion, but doubly so for film.  RT is a much better resource for film, and gamerankings for games.
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EvilTwin said:
"Sir_Ragnarok said:
"74 on Rotten Tomatoes?  Really?  Metacritic is, like, 36 when I last checked.  "
They're different types of aggregate sites.  Metacritic is pretty horrible in general in my opinion, but doubly so for film.  RT is a much better resource for film, and gamerankings for games."
Horrible, indeed.  Entertainment Weekly's "B-" review of Watchmen got a Metacritic score of 67.

Since when does a B- equate to 67%?
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Sir_Ragnarok said:
"EvilTwin said:
"Sir_Ragnarok said:
"74 on Rotten Tomatoes?  Really?  Metacritic is, like, 36 when I last checked.  "
They're different types of aggregate sites.  Metacritic is pretty horrible in general in my opinion, but doubly so for film.  RT is a much better resource for film, and gamerankings for games."
Horrible, indeed.  Entertainment Weekly's "B-" review of Watchmen got a Metacritic score of 67.Since when does a B- equate to 67%?"
Well, that's part of the problem.  Movie critics aren't as focused on scores as game critics, and they also have like 100 different systems to score things.  Game critics are generally confined to some multiple of 5, whereas movie critics all have their own system.  That's why RT just focuses on whether or not the critic gave the film a positive review.  It's also known that metacritic has some weird weighted system at least for video games that gives more weight to reviews from certain publications. 
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#12  Edited By HandsomeDead

Also, you should pay attention to what the critics say when they give the review. A lot of the positive ones for Benjamin Button on RT are only high because they credit a lot of the visuals rather than the story itself. Which is fucking shit.

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#13  Edited By trulyalive
Everyones_A_Critic said:
"The critics that have panned Watchmen all seem to have the same complaint: It's too much of a reverent tribute to the source material. "
Everyones_A_Critic said:
"Snyder changed the fucking ending in the film adaptation, how is that sticking too close to the source material? And more importantly, since when is it a bad thing to stick to the source material? Isn't that what us fans want?"
Those are two entirely different things. The problem with fans of franchises that transcend one form of art is that they say that a film based on a book, or game, or whatever should stick reverantly to the source material. Unfortunately, that's rarely possible because with different artforms, you have to take all sorts of things like pacing and believability into account. The reviews aren't complaining that he was too close to the source material, just that it doesn't exactly leave much room for newcomers to the story and that it is unapproachable if you aren't already a member of the church of Watchmen.
Another thing, as many fans of Watchmen as there are, there aren't enough to cover the costs of the film and make a sizable gross back, which is exactly what Warner Bros. wants. They're not making it just for you and me, they're making it for everyone, so that they can increase their profits. The critics are more or less unanimously saying that they failed to make a film that just about anyone can come and see and enjoy, because it's too confined, which will likely come to kick Warner Bros. in the ass when it comes to profits. I'm not saying it'll fail dramatically, just that we shouldn't expect a Dark Knight beater.

In my opinion, unless the changed ending is exceptional, the film will crumble. The ending was the most important part of the Graphic Novel and it's the only part I really was desperate for them to keep.

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#14  Edited By penguindust

The two guys doing "At the Movies" now gave it a positive review and I'd consider them mainstream film critics. http://bventertainment.go.com/tv/buenavista/atm/ An interesting point, though, is that both of them had read the graphic novel while a review I read from Associated Press, which called the movie "bloated" didn't read the book*.  I wonder if this is one (rare) case where reading the book makes the film seem better to the viewer than not having read the book.

Here's an article highlighting the differences between the fan base and the mainstream critics. http://io9.com/5163828/bloggers-love-watchmen-but-theyre-on-their-own

EDIT: *Actually, she did read the book.  I misread her review the first time. However, I still think my question is valid.