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#51 Posted by Splodge (1067 posts) -

Complaining about other peoples data loss seems retarded.

#52 Posted by Subjugation (4718 posts) -

@Terramagi said:

@Dany said:

It is seriously disappointing that 5 minutes can destroy any chances of a game being considered for any award.

It isn't just that the ending is so bad. It's that EA went so far in the resulting aftermath. If they had just said "yeah, that is fucking horrible, our bad" and took one to the chin, it undoubtedly would not have gone over as badly as it did, especially considering the entire debacle culminated in them stealing from fucking charity.

Whoa, what? How did they steal from charity? I thought a bunch of people just decided to donate to Child's Play in an effort to make a statement about how badly they wanted the ending to be addressed. Isn't that a win for charity, or is there some part of the story that I never heard about?

#53 Edited by wjb (1638 posts) -

If that had happened to me, I'd just play Mass Effect 3 either way. The choices you made that affected the story was great, but how many people forgot what they did in the previous games until they saw a list of everything it at the beginning of ME3? I remembered, but I think half of the GB staff claimed they forgot certain stuff they did in the previous games on the podcast.

I think it has to do with so many people being down on ME3 that has contributed to Brad not playing it. Maybe he really is that indecisive, but if ME3 had the same recognition as ME2, he would've played it.

And yeah, they need to play more games. Off-topic banter is great sometimes, but I look forward to Patrick or Vinny going through their backlog on the podcast. I don't come here so I can get updates on fucking hummingbird masks; I come here to hear their opinion on games, even if it's games that have been out for a while. Even if the game is garbage, at least they personally know it's garbage. They always say there's no games coming out, but by GOTY time, hardly anyone has played anything. "The Witcher 2 gets #6?" -- "Sure, I dunno?"

#54 Posted by AssInAss (2543 posts) -

@Humanity said:

@AssInAss said:

@Humanity said:

It's not a strong GOTY contender but it beats out a lot of other games that came out this year, at least for me. I don't even know what came out this year that blew my socks off.

Have you played Journey? Spec Ops The Line? Dust An Elysian Tail? Mark of the Ninja?

I've played Mark of the Ninja and it is excellent. I have zero interest in Spec Ops and Dust turns me off on both the aesthetic level (not the furry debate, I just don't like the art style) as well as the gameplay side of things. Journey I'd play but to be honest I don't feel like taking my PS3 out of the closet just to play an hour long indie game.

You're missing out on the best story ever for a shooter in Spec Ops, I'd say it's worth experiencing just for that.

I implore you to take out your PS3 because Journey is an unforgettable experience and perfect for one sitting. What you experience in those 2 hours will be far more engaging than the 20 hours you spent in ME 3. There are reasons why a really short indie game is being considered one of the GoTYs by critics, but can't spoil it.

@Mcfart said:

@AssInAss said:

@Humanity said:

It's not a strong GOTY contender but it beats out a lot of other games that came out this year, at least for me. I don't even know what came out this year that blew my socks off.

Have you played Journey? Spec Ops The Line? Dust An Elysian Tail? Mark of the Ninja?

Lol none of those will even be considered for GOTY. We'll likely we looking at Assassin's Creed 3 and Black Ops 2.

:(

I hope not. Who knows though, maybe AC 3 has some amazing thing in it other than naval battles to be considered GoTY but I don't see it yet.

#55 Edited by mutha3 (4985 posts) -
@Brodehouse said:

@adam1808  Shepard beats the Reapers,

Oh yeah, because this is the only common point ME3's wildly divergent endings share.
 
Real talk: If the Walking Dead's got 2 genuinely different outcomes, its already got ME beat.
#56 Posted by RE_Player1 (7549 posts) -

@mutha3 said:

Oh yeah, because this is the only common point ME3's wildly divergent endings share. Real talk: If the Walking Dead's got 2 genuinely different outcomes, its already got ME beat.

Word.

#57 Edited by Dany (7887 posts) -

@Terramagi said:

@Dany said:

It is seriously disappointing that 5 minutes can destroy any chances of a game being considered for any award.

It isn't just that the ending is so bad. It's that EA went so far in the resulting aftermath. If they had just said "yeah, that is fucking horrible, our bad" and took one to the chin, it undoubtedly would not have gone over as badly as it did, especially considering the entire debacle culminated in them stealing from fucking charity.

fanboys had their panties in a bunch and donated money towards childsplay as a statement against the mass effect 3 ending. None of that money went towards bioware

#58 Posted by Brodehouse (9586 posts) -
@mutha3
@Brodehouse said:

@adam1808  Shepard beats the Reapers,

Oh yeah, because this is the only common point ME3's wildly divergent endings share.
 
Real talk: If the Walking Dead's got 2 genuinely different outcomes, its already got ME beat.
Shepard beats the Reapers, the Citadel shoots a colored light, the relays blow up, Joker crashes on an alien planet. That's the parts they share.

If you don't think they're divergent, tell me what Mass Effect 4 is. Do you play as Shepard? Is Shepard a human, or a living God? Is EDI alive, or is she some sort of bio-organic glowy veins trans thing?

The problem with the ending is that it didn't explain what the fuck just happened, it just ended. It wouldn't have been better if the game calculated all the stuff you did and picked for you. It wouldn't make narrative sense for the game to go "here's the space gun, normally it shoots three different beams, but you did Thane's loyalty mission, so now it turns Reapers into drell". Though that would be awesome.
#59 Posted by algertman (852 posts) -

@Dany said:

It is seriously disappointing that 5 minutes can destroy any chances of a game being considered for any award.

Didn't help that gaming sites, like Penny Arcade and Destructoid, actively attacked people who didn't like the ending.

When you have a RPG like Mass Effect where story takes priority over game play during development you can ruin the experience based on the ending.

In football if someone fumbles at the 1 yard line they don't go ahead and award a touchdown anyway.

#60 Posted by AiurFlux (901 posts) -

Maybe there are dirty pictures on it and he's worried that they'll get out. It could be his taste in hardcore pornography or just photos of his junk, but that's what I'd put my money on.

... and now I'm thinking about Brad's junk.

#61 Posted by Bulby33 (549 posts) -

He definitely needs to get his ass in gear and play Mass Effect 3. It bugs me that he has waited this long.

#62 Posted by Humanity (8809 posts) -

@AssInAss: I didn't want to actually play through Spec Ops so I googled all the major scenes. Parts of it were definitely really good but I don't regret not having to slog through a couple of hours of a mediocre third person shooter to see that stuff.

While I see that you are passionate about Journey I am just not that into it. I'm sure I'd enjoy it but I can do without. As a person who played through Demons Souls and Dark Souls pretty much solo I don't feel the need for that weird social aspect in gaming. The next time I take out my PS3 will be to play MGS5, unless it comes out for 360 as well, and then I might give Journey a try.

#63 Posted by BisonHero (6171 posts) -
@Humanity

@AssInAss: I didn't want to actually play through Spec Ops so I googled all the major scenes. Parts of it were definitely really good but I don't regret not having to slog through a couple of hours of a mediocre third person shooter to see that stuff.

While I see that you are passionate about Journey I am just not that into it. I'm sure I'd enjoy it but I can do without. As a person who played through Demons Souls and Dark Souls pretty much solo I don't feel the need for that weird social aspect in gaming. The next time I take out my PS3 will be to play MGS5, unless it comes out for 360 as well, and then I might give Journey a try.

Ground Zeroes will come out for 360 and PS3, but there's really no way on Earth that MGS5 will come out on current consoles.
#64 Posted by Humanity (8809 posts) -
@BisonHero Seeing more and more big name developers dropping exclusivity for their titles makes me wonder of there ever being a possibility of Sony and Microsoft reaching some sort of understanding and co-developing the next generation console. Surely having just one system consumers would buy would provide a bigger profit for both companies to share rather than elbowing each other for room with timed exclusives and DLC.

Alas it's probably a John Galt dream
#65 Posted by Hailinel (23901 posts) -
@algertman

@Dany said:

It is seriously disappointing that 5 minutes can destroy any chances of a game being considered for any award.

Didn't help that gaming sites, like Penny Arcade and Destructoid, actively attacked people who didn't like the ending.

When you have a RPG like Mass Effect where story takes priority over game play during development you can ruin the experience based on the ending.

In football if someone fumbles at the 1 yard line they don't go ahead and award a touchdown anyway.

I don't recall PA doing any such thing.
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#66 Edited by TeflonBilly (4713 posts) -

@Humanity said:

@AssInAss: I didn't want to actually play through Spec Ops so I googled all the major scenes. Parts of it were definitely really good but I don't regret not having to slog through a couple of hours of a mediocre third person shooter to see that stuff.

You missed out. The act of being an active participant in Spec Ops: The Line is what makes it truly subversive.

It's hwta made it a story that could only be told in video game for, bacause of how it actively addresses the player and his actions, making you not just a passive prescence watching cutscenes.

And if you wanna get into semantics, you can say Bioware stole from charity as their covert bitching to Child's Play stopped the "protest donations".

In my view it was a mixture of that, the fans being arseholes and the PA guys ties with Child's Play coming in seeing as they were attacking people who criticized the ending and even banning people outright for doing so.

And though I don't agree with Hepler's horrid singling out (It's Casey Hudson we should be burning effigy's of), Bioware deserved every bit of drubbing they got and still do for their arrogant handling of teh outrage and criticism of the shit job they did.

The producer of the SIlent Hill HD collection needs to get A LOT more shit though.

Hell, all you DMC remake haters should give Ninja Theory some credit for at least taking to heart some of the critcism, especially when you consider how you haven't played the game proper yet.

EDIT: I've been misspelling shit all day. I'm on a heavy dose of medication sorry

#67 Posted by Yummylee (21254 posts) -

@TeflonBilly said:

Hell, all you DMC remake haters should give Ninja Theory some credit for at least taking to heart some of the critcism, especially when you consider how you haven't played the game proper yet.

For what it's worth in that regard, with every new trailer, more people come around to the idea and the new DMC has an ever growing group of supporters. It's just like Hitman Absolution, where after the initial outcry simmered down, the knee-jerkers retreated back to their caves, and we started to see and learn more about the game, the general perception went through a complete U-turn.

#68 Posted by Lukeweizer (2608 posts) -

He's probably indecisive about it because it was going to cost $400 to even analyze, no guarantee about a fix. And he's probably gotten over it by now.

#69 Posted by MrKlorox (11206 posts) -

Just start Darksiders over Brad. I played it on Normal and there were a couple enemy encounters near the end that were controller throwingly frustrating. You'll never ever ever finish the game if you continue to bash your head against Hard difficulty because you'll just get sick of it and quit.

#70 Posted by Yummylee (21254 posts) -

Also Brad is clearly holding off playing Mass Effect 3 so he can enter fresh for the WiiU version...

#71 Posted by Splodge (1067 posts) -

@AiurFlux said:

Maybe there are dirty pictures on it and he's worried that they'll get out. It could be his taste in hardcore pornography or just photos of his junk, but that's what I'd put my money on.

... and now I'm thinking about Brad's junk.

Also, dat trunk...

#72 Posted by csl316 (8111 posts) -

Sucks that Jeff's indifference to ME3 will knock it out of GOTY contention. Hopefully it at least makes some top ten lists. I friggin' loved that game.

#73 Posted by GreggD (4477 posts) -

@csl316 said:

Sucks that Jeff's indifference to ME3 will knock it out of GOTY contention. Hopefully it at least makes some top ten lists. I friggin' loved that game.

Yeah, his refusal to play Red Dead Redemption really pissed me off. It may have won GotY over ME2, if he had actually given a shit.

#74 Posted by ArbitraryWater (11476 posts) -

I'm just really bummed that there has been zero meaningful discussion of Mass Effect 3 on the bombcast because "Oh we can't spoil it for Brad". I feel like any or all discussion on these forums when the game came out basically boiled down to RAWR DIE BIOWARE DIE.

As for the game itself, whatever. It's fine. The ending is still really bad (and even with the extended cut it's not great), but that doesn't automatically discredit the other 20 hours. And know what? I enjoyed those other 20 hours. The plot relies too much on Shepard coincidentally running into previous party members, the side quests are a bit lazier and the multiplayer isn't really something that you can play for a long time, but Mass Effect 3 was still a pretty good game. Of course, I also enjoyed a lot of Dragon Age 2, so take that as you may.

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#75 Posted by mordukai (7133 posts) -

@Hailinel said:

@BisonHero said:

I've had hard drives die on me, and it sucks, but you move on. He needs to get back on that horse and just play Mass Effect 3, since it will be a pretty relevant game when it comes time to discuss Game of the Year stuff.

That's a good one.

Mass Effect 3 won't be winning anything this year, aside from perhaps, "Most Disappointing."

More like "Biggest Troll of the Year".

#76 Posted by MuttersomeTaxicab (667 posts) -

With the holiday releases basically a week or two away (if we're taking Borderlands 2 as the first huge post-summer title) I can't fathom that Brad will have time to give a shit about Mass Effect 3 until mid-November.

Which, yeah, unless he makes a concerted effort to revive his save files, I can't think of anyone on the team that will champion ME3.

#77 Posted by TheUnsavedHero (1255 posts) -

Had a USB Stick with saved games on them die on me once. Lost all my SSF4 replays. Promptly smashed it with a hammer since it was useless.

#78 Posted by MonkeyKing1969 (2568 posts) -

Brad, god love'um, is a bit fo a neurotic. Then again most nerds and geeks are neurotics on some level....it is the downside to our super powers...its our Kryptonite.

#79 Posted by Bocam (3671 posts) -

What bugs me is that Brad has said he doesn't remember what choices he made in the first 2 games (other than choosing Ashley). So why didn't he just download a save?

#80 Posted by The_Nubster (2047 posts) -

@Bocam said:

What bugs me is that Brad has said he doesn't remember what choices he made in the first 2 games (other than choosing Ashley). So why didn't he just download a save?

Those choices come back to you as you play. I didn't remember a lot of small things about my choices in the first two games, but there were a lot of, "Holy shit! That led to that?!" moments, so I could see the hesitance about just downloading a save from somewhere.

#81 Posted by WilliamHenry (1200 posts) -

@Terramagi said:

@Dany said:

It is seriously disappointing that 5 minutes can destroy any chances of a game being considered for any award.

It isn't just that the ending is so bad. It's that EA went so far in the resulting aftermath. If they had just said "yeah, that is fucking horrible, our bad" and took one to the chin, it undoubtedly would not have gone over as badly as it did.

Imagine the precedent that would have set. Every company would have to cave to fans demands about every game because there is no way you're going to satisfy everyone who plays the game. It won't matter if its only a vocal minority either. How would the developer feel if their publisher throws them under the bus because some players weren't entirely happy with the game? Why would they ever want to work with that pub again if thats how they're going to be treated? You have to stand by the game you put out and by the people who made the game. You can't dismiss the game and the creators because people complain.

As for ME3 and GOTY of the year discussions, I don't see how they won't talk about it. I don't know what its chances are of ending up on any lists, but its one of the biggest games of the year and one of the most decisive. Just ignoring it would be crazy.

#82 Posted by DJJoeJoe (1317 posts) -

I think, just as I have always thought (this has been going on for a long time) that Brad should just start playing Mass Effect on the PC. It looks and preforms better, the only down side is there's not really great controller support, which I always thought was super lazy of the devs since EVEN the button graphics are in the PC version (360 pad button icons)... they just don't bother to hook it up properly. It's really sad.

the mass effect saves websites allow you to just punch in what you remember doing before and have a save that's exactly the same as what you did before, I did it a few times because it's hard to save saves on the PC over the course of years of a gaming franchise. I now use GameSave Manager... but still.

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#83 Posted by Terramagi (1159 posts) -

@WilliamHenry said:

@Terramagi said:

@Dany said:

It is seriously disappointing that 5 minutes can destroy any chances of a game being considered for any award.

It isn't just that the ending is so bad. It's that EA went so far in the resulting aftermath. If they had just said "yeah, that is fucking horrible, our bad" and took one to the chin, it undoubtedly would not have gone over as badly as it did.

Imagine the precedent that would have set. Every company would have to cave to fans demands about every game because there is no way you're going to satisfy everyone who plays the game. It won't matter if its only a vocal minority either. How would the developer feel if their publisher throws them under the bus because some players weren't entirely happy with the game? Why would they ever want to work with that pub again if thats how they're going to be treated? You have to stand by the game you put out and by the people who made the game. You can't dismiss the game and the creators because people complain.

As for ME3 and GOTY of the year discussions, I don't see how they won't talk about it. I don't know what its chances are of ending up on any lists, but its one of the biggest games of the year and one of the most decisive. Just ignoring it would be crazy.

Yes, because Bethesda retconning their original shitty ending that made no fucking sense in FO3 ruined the game industry.

#84 Posted by Dany (7887 posts) -

@Terramagi said:

@WilliamHenry said:

@Terramagi said:

@Dany said:

It is seriously disappointing that 5 minutes can destroy any chances of a game being considered for any award.

It isn't just that the ending is so bad. It's that EA went so far in the resulting aftermath. If they had just said "yeah, that is fucking horrible, our bad" and took one to the chin, it undoubtedly would not have gone over as badly as it did.

Imagine the precedent that would have set. Every company would have to cave to fans demands about every game because there is no way you're going to satisfy everyone who plays the game. It won't matter if its only a vocal minority either. How would the developer feel if their publisher throws them under the bus because some players weren't entirely happy with the game? Why would they ever want to work with that pub again if thats how they're going to be treated? You have to stand by the game you put out and by the people who made the game. You can't dismiss the game and the creators because people complain.

As for ME3 and GOTY of the year discussions, I don't see how they won't talk about it. I don't know what its chances are of ending up on any lists, but its one of the biggest games of the year and one of the most decisive. Just ignoring it would be crazy.

Yes, because Bethesda retconning their original shitty ending that made no fucking sense in FO3 ruined the game industry.

That didn't happen to bethesda nor did it happen to bioware. What are you even arguing?

#85 Posted by kagato (895 posts) -

I think its like Schrodinger's cat with him, whilst he does nothing all his saves could be okay and ready to use or corrupted, but once he takes that to a tech to get fixed he might have to face the reality that he has lost all those hours worth of gameplay.

#86 Posted by Brodehouse (9586 posts) -
@ArbitraryWater I was thinking about how coincidental the running into Shepard is. It's really weird they went that direction, considering a lot of people you're being 'surprised' with are still allies of Shepard. They try the "and look who's here!" trick way too much, it's happening every hour at a certain point. In Samara's mission you're exploring the monastery and then imagine that Samara's here... Why didn't that mission start with Samara calling Shepard on the space phone and asking for help? Kahlee Sanders has to know that Jack travelled with Shepard, why doesn't she even mention that the students are safe with her? It's not like they'd have to do more than a couple lines. Instead they do the same "What? You're here?" reaction probably 12-15 times throughout that game.

Man, now that you actually made me think about it, fuck.
#87 Posted by GenghisJohn (256 posts) -

Man, who cares if Brad plays ME3? Although they did sulk all summer about how there were no games out...

#88 Posted by BisonHero (6171 posts) -

@GenghisJohn said:

Man, who cares if Brad plays ME3? Although they did sulk all summer about how there were no games out...

Yeah, I think all of the recent I Love Mondays videos where Brad and Jeff kept mentioning that there were no games out this week (and thus nothing to play) is what prompted me to make this thread, come to think of it. Like, dude, remember that fairly important BioWare game from earlier this year that you could've taken the time to play somewhere in June/July/August?

#89 Posted by JasonR86 (9608 posts) -

Because Brad is indecisive about everything.

#90 Posted by jackelbeaver (125 posts) -

the saddest thing about brad not playing ME3 is that the only choices that carry through are...the things from the Genesis interactive comic, the suicide misison results, and like a third of the loyalty missions. Conrad Vernor and the Reporter are literally the only minor things that carry over arent they? oh and two dlc characters and the guy from virmire. They really made this game on "the budget" and hearing writers talk about "writing budget" SO MUCH in me3 just bums me out because this game needed double what it got. :/

maybe they'll release mass effect 3 genesis and brad can just play that. I do think its nice that brad's first time playing will include extended cut and leviathan, because both of those make the ending make more sense and work alot better.