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#101 Posted by golguin (4044 posts) -

K-On is great and I don't generally like romance, but Let the Right One In (Swedish) and its English remake Let Me In can technically be called a romance stories, but the story is so much more than that.

#102 Posted by Cathryn (550 posts) -

@Video_Game_King: Or maybe The Governments have implanted us all with chips that dictate our tastes from a young age, and any diversity at all is pre-programmed to give the illusion of free will?

Actually, that'd explain so much :/

#103 Edited by StarvingGamer (8555 posts) -

@Animasta said:

I mean, usually romance has many things a guy is into (that of course being sex, hot women, etc.).

Because romance stories leave everything to the imagination. If we want sex and hot women we can watch porn.

EDIT: And as to your second question, I only like romance films if they're dark, like Eternal Sunshine. 99.9% of the romance films are way too saccharin and often have main characters that I find completely reprehensible.

#104 Posted by AlexanderSheen (5090 posts) -

But I like romance stories...

#105 Posted by Hizang (8532 posts) -

I love romance stories, It's often the part of a novel I pay the most attention to.

#106 Posted by Damian (1538 posts) -

Generalizing greatly of course, but here goes:

Action-based fiction is male power-fantasy with poorly articulated, helpless-yet-idealized female stereotypes.

Romance-based fiction is female power-fantasy with poorly articulated, helpless-yet-idealized male stereotypes.

But let's not forget that once upon a time romance was a male-oriented genre as well. And this is a bit "shot-in-the-dark" but I feel that sometime in the late 70's to early 80's the genre became heavy on the themes of female commiseration, and movies about damsels in distress became very distasteful. Both these things feel like an unvitation to your typical, male movie-goer.

I prefer a mix of both, myself. The Princess Bride, Cyrano de Bergerac and Brazil are some of my favourite films, and fit neatly into both categories.

#107 Posted by Video_Game_King (36272 posts) -

@Cathryn:

Nothing that sinister. Just latent social attitudes that tell us what is and isn't OK to like. I wanted to put an example of this in my earlier post parodying Shadow Kanji's complaints, but I don't know what the opposite of K-On would be. I thought Breaking Bad would be a good example, so you can see why I didn't go further.

#108 Posted by JZ (2125 posts) -

Because all men like are explosions and boobs.

#109 Posted by BaneFireLord (2957 posts) -

I think Ghost is an excellent movie. Does that count?

#110 Posted by Cathryn (550 posts) -

@Video_Game_King: I dig. Though, to be honest, I haven't seen Breaking Bad, so I'm not quite sure what the appeal there is in the first place, though I see where you're headed, for sure.

#111 Posted by thefaulconer (65 posts) -

My brother likes to read Harlequin Romance stories to pass the time.

#112 Posted by Video_Game_King (36272 posts) -

@Cathryn said:

Though, to be honest, I haven't seen Breaking Bad

I haven't, either, which explains why I thought it was the American opposite to any anime ever. (Just be glad I put that last part in writing.)

#113 Posted by golguin (4044 posts) -

@Video_Game_King said:

@Cathryn said:

Though, to be honest, I haven't seen Breaking Bad

I haven't, either, which explains why I thought it was the American opposite to any anime ever. (Just be glad I put that last part in writing.)

I can't even comprehend how Breaking Bad would somehow be an opposite to any anime and I've seen every Breaking Bad episode and I watch a good amount of anime.

#114 Posted by Video_Game_King (36272 posts) -

@golguin:

I was going for some American show that wasn't a cartoon, and that's the second thing that came to mind. (The first was Law and Order, because quite a few people I know watch the damn thing, even though from the brief spurts of it I've seen, I don't get the appeal.)

#115 Posted by AjayRaz (12476 posts) -

i have a weak spot for well-done romance

#116 Posted by Video_Game_King (36272 posts) -

@AjayRaz said:

i have a weak spot for well-done romance

"...her lips in passionate embrace..."
#117 Posted by golguin (4044 posts) -

@Video_Game_King said:

@golguin:

I was going for some American show that wasn't a cartoon, and that's the second thing that came to mind. (The first was Law and Order, because quite a few people I know watch the damn thing, even though from the brief spurts of it I've seen, I don't get the appeal.)

You'd be surprised how many American shows that aren't a cartoon could have an anime equivalent. Everyone always compares the American show Dexter with the anime Death Note.

#118 Edited by Brodehouse (10129 posts) -

Breaking Bad. I'd compare it to that manga, I think it's Welcome To NHK, that's about a hikkikomori who he and his friend make really rough and kinky moe strips and then there's a girl who tries to get through to him, and if I'm remembering properly, gets about as dark and fucked up as BB does. (I did some research. I am not remembering properly).

If they made a manga based on Videodrome I have a feeling it would burst into flames out of its own revulsion for itself.

#119 Posted by Liquidus (942 posts) -

I'm a dude and I love a good romance, but I despise a bad one. I like romances that feel real or they're just charming like Indiana Jones and Marion in Raiders or Drake and Elena in Uncharted. They can be endearing and funny but bad romances are honestly one of the worst things to have to tolerate. And there are infinitely more bad romances than good ones.

#120 Posted by Video_Game_King (36272 posts) -

@golguin:

I wasn't searching for the example, but an example. Besides, I mostly watch cartoons from Adventure Time to Archer, so live-action stuff isn't my forte.

#121 Edited by TheDudeOfGaming (6078 posts) -

Seeing as how you're a dudette and I'm a dude, I'm not at liberty to speak about emotions.

If you're a dude and you show emotions or an interest in something emotional than you're perceived as weak. The only emotions you're allowed to express is laughter and anger. But everything is fair game when you're really drunk (don't do that, never ends well).

#122 Posted by pyromagnestir (4339 posts) -

I've enjoyed plenty of movies, tv shows or whatever that had a good romance aspect to them. Shawshank Redemption is probably my favorite movie and it's totally a romance. Andy and Red together 4eva.

@golguin said:

@Video_Game_King said:

@golguin:

I was going for some American show that wasn't a cartoon, and that's the second thing that came to mind. (The first was Law and Order, because quite a few people I know watch the damn thing, even though from the brief spurts of it I've seen, I don't get the appeal.)

You'd be surprised how many American shows that aren't a cartoon could have an anime equivalent. Everyone always compares the American show Dexter with the anime Death Note.

They shouldn't. Those two aren't even close, really.

#123 Posted by Ravenlight (8011 posts) -

@Video_Game_King said:

@AjayRaz said:

i have a weak spot for well-done romance

"...her lips in passionate embrace..."

5/5 - "A literary triumph ... Would read again."

#124 Edited by Elwoodan (874 posts) -

the perception that males don't like 'romance' in all it's forms comes from the same place as the perception that women dislike sports, beer, and action movies. Stoicism was a virtue praised by ancient cultures, and the blocking/ignoring of emotion has always been an undercurrent of what makes a male a 'Man'. I mean, images like this used to be present everywhere:

#125 Posted by Wraith1 (576 posts) -

I don't mind romance stories if they're done well

#126 Posted by AjayRaz (12476 posts) -

@Video_Game_King said:

@AjayRaz said:

i have a weak spot for well-done romance

"...her lips in passionate embrace..."

now i'm hungry

#127 Posted by golguin (4044 posts) -

@pyromagnestir said:

I've enjoyed plenty of movies, tv shows or whatever that had a good romance aspect to them. Shawshank Redemption is probably my favorite movie and it's totally a romance. Andy and Red together 4eva.

@golguin said:

@Video_Game_King said:

@golguin:

I was going for some American show that wasn't a cartoon, and that's the second thing that came to mind. (The first was Law and Order, because quite a few people I know watch the damn thing, even though from the brief spurts of it I've seen, I don't get the appeal.)

You'd be surprised how many American shows that aren't a cartoon could have an anime equivalent. Everyone always compares the American show Dexter with the anime Death Note.

They shouldn't. Those two aren't even close, really.

If you break them down I think they're closer than you think. It's the same type of cat and mouse game, the protagonist is more like the antagonist to those around them (not really anti-hero) and both main characters have a warped sense of justifying their actions.

#128 Posted by thechronodarkness (294 posts) -

Its easy. Because romance movies are mostly made like crap! Take it like this. Action movies can sell you so many ways. You have the action itself. Characters. The story. Romance inside as a side plot.

But romance movies, you have to get the characters right. Usually, I end up wanting to beat the hell out of whoever is doing the romancing. Oh, you're cheating on your wife and fell in love with someone else? Or, oh. We met in the bar during a hank williams jr concert, and we are soul mates. Its not a natural progression usually. I'd say the professional with jean reno is one of the best romance movies ever. Natalie portman didn't just jump and go oh! Jean reno, I'd hit that.

#129 Posted by clstirens (847 posts) -

@Animasta: I love romance plots in all media. However, while I do enjoy some Romance movies, most of the time the acting/storytelling just come off as predictable/wrote. I'm the same way with Horror.

#130 Posted by TobbRobb (4841 posts) -

I like romance stories that aren't godawful. Which is frustratingly hard to find.

Please, I take recommendations.

#131 Posted by Sooty (8082 posts) -

Social. Conditioning.

#132 Posted by Karkarov (3273 posts) -

To answer your question romance is less popular with men for the same reason CoD is less popular with women. Men and women are made differently with different "norm" preferences, this is fine, it is okay to be a dude who doesn't like romance novels or a chick who doesn't like the Expendables.

That said I like romance stories just fine. Thing is, most are written like shit. Be it books or movies. The redeeming factor of something like the Expendables is.... it doesn't need good writing. It is an action movie about big explosions and stupid crap happening on scene. For a romance to work it needs good writing, and in the case of movies, good acting too. You want a decent anime style romance story you need to go old school and check out something like "The Tale of Genji".

Also Stalker is not about finding a rare mystical power, much less philosophy. Hang out with Vidkya Tonic more, he knows the score. All that dude does is go from camp to camp playing a ukelele, bitch about mutant dogs, eat canned spam, and pound down a metric ton of trash can vodka. That's a mans life right there!

#133 Posted by pyromagnestir (4339 posts) -

@golguin:

Those are pretty shallow similarities. You could say the same things about a lot of shows. Breaking Bad and The Sopranos both fit the description you give. No one compares them to Death Note. Plus the cat and mouse game in Dexter is lacking the dynamic that L and Light had.

#134 Posted by Raven10 (1922 posts) -

Romance movies are often the very definition of formulaic, especially romcoms. If you've seen one romcom then chances are you've seen them all. I enjoy period romances. Titanic is one of my favorite movies for example. Romances can be great if they are done well. They just have to be more creative than the average romance is. Look at The Artist. It was a major award winner last year and it was a romance. But no one would call it formulaic. The same with Slumdog Millionaire a couple years ago. Do something interesting with your romance movie and it is great. I don't need to see the standard Hollywood romcom though because I've already seen it 50 times.

#135 Edited by BisonHero (7035 posts) -

I think because women are the main consumers of romance, so much of it is written targeting them, and you get into situations where the writers weren't really writing to try to include a male audience.

There are certainly tons of exceptions, but I still think that is true for the majority of romance fiction/TV/movies/games. I find I don't really identify with the male characters of the story a lot of the time. If it's poorly written, the male character is just this handsome, charming dude that the girl is afraid to ask out, and if it's somewhat better, he at least has insecurities that are revealed eventually, but even then I don't relate because they're different insecurities than I have in romantic relationships.

I thought Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind was really good, but I probably wouldn't have liked it as much if it was a straightforward movie about a relationship falling apart. The presentation of that movie really went a long way.

#136 Posted by golguin (4044 posts) -

@pyromagnestir said:

@golguin:

Those are pretty shallow similarities. You could say the same things about a lot of shows. Breaking Bad and The Sopranos both fit the description you give. No one compares them to Death Note. Plus the cat and mouse game in Dexter is lacking the dynamic that L and Light had.

I would think that two serial killers that justify their acts as being for the greater good and having a set of rules for killing, which are then put aside when a "good guy" is close to uncovering their little game and needs to be killed is not a shallow similarity. If you think that's shallow then I don't know what to tell you. Maybe rethink your definition of "shallow similarities".

I will agree that the cat and mouse game is better in Death Note, but that doesn't mean it doesn't exist in the various seasons of Dexter.

#137 Posted by ThePickle (4167 posts) -

Like romantic comedies?

In case you don't feel like watching the whole video (aka you're a terrible person and hate fun) the TL:DL version is it's like going to a salt restaurant. Romance is a seasoning, not a plot point.

#138 Posted by MAN_FLANNEL (2462 posts) -

Men jack off to porn.

#139 Posted by mrfluke (5341 posts) -

@BisonHero said:

I think because women are the main consumers of romance, so much of it is written targeting them, and you get into situations where the writers weren't really writing to try to include a male audience.

There are certainly tons of exceptions, but I still think that is true for the majority of romance fiction/TV/movies/games.

i agree with this, i dont mind when its done as a secondary plot in the story though or when characters hook up, the anime rurouni kenshin is an example of this. great core story of kenshin seeking redemption and kicking ass and then theres a good romance story behind it (even though at times its kinda cheesy)

#140 Posted by FancySoapsMan (5818 posts) -

not gonna lie, I really like it when games have good romance stories.

#141 Posted by byterunner (319 posts) -

@Animasta said:

I don't mean you were into boinking Ashley in Mass Effect or whatever,

pssh, who thinks of boinking Ashley, its all about that Liara. Common man, get it together.

#142 Posted by Levio (1786 posts) -

I don't think romance can really play out well in a 2 hour movie. A romance story needs a lot of non-romantic moments to build up the characters' history and really invest the audience in their various conflicts, and that just can't be done effectively in 2 hours IMO.

I greatly enjoyed the anime Toradora, which is like a 9 hour romcom.

#143 Posted by frankfartmouth (1018 posts) -

I love romance stories, I just don't like chick flicks.

Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind is romantic, but it's not a derivative, one-dimensional sapfest. It actually treats the romance with respect and leaves out all the nauseating fairy tale tropes that make chick flicks unbearable. The romance is believable.

Nights in Rodanthe is a chick flick--derivative, predictable, boring, and sappy. There's no real chemistry between the characters, there's no plausible, palpable purpose for their love. It's just kind of wadded into a ball and tossed at the audience. The romance is taken for granted.

It's not the romance I don't like in chick flicks, it's the stupidity. I think most guys would say the same.

#144 Posted by punkxblaze (2990 posts) -

The Notebook was a fucking excellent film and I got misty eyed at the end.

There, I said it.

#145 Posted by spazmaster666 (1991 posts) -

I for one quite enjoy romantic comedies and sometimes a good old fashioned romance flick (some of my favorite anime/manga for instance are josei romances). It just depends on how good the acting/characters/story is. As for why there is this idea that men don't like romance, I suppose it stems from the idea that men are less emotional than women, which of course is not really true (well it's partially true but only for certain emotions like guilt or shame).

#146 Posted by LikeaSsur (1586 posts) -

Because guys are in a problem/solution type of mindset. Most romantic stories don't have that, or if they do, there's so much filler that we lose interest anyway. He likes you, even though you're a new, impossibly beautiful student? THEN ASK HIM OUT. There, I just saved both of us an hour and a half.

#147 Posted by Oldirtybearon (4882 posts) -

I thought Let Me In was a great love story, if not necessarily a "romance." Then again I tend to go in for the more fucked up kinds of romance, I guess. Eternal Sunshine was brilliant as well.

Romantic Comedies are the fucking diarrhea of film, though.

#148 Posted by Darji (5294 posts) -

@Animasta said:

I know I know, stereotypes an all that, but it's accurate in that women are the largest buyers of romance, without a doubt, and I was just wondering why exactly... I mean, usually romance has many things a guy is into (that of course being sex, hot women, etc.). I doubt it's even about the fact that nothing is really happening, because in Anime the people who enjoy shit like K-On! and YuruYuri, both of which involve moeblobs doing cute things and then nothing happens and they're both goddamn terrible, the main audience is young adult Otaku's, most of whom are male. I can't really think of a similar equivalent in the west... maybe wrestling, the male's soap opera (if any of the wrestling thread wants to disagree, well, tough shit)... I had an idea but I then lost it in the middle of doing this blog so please help meeeeeeeee

and I guess this can also be, do you enjoy romance shit from time to time? I don't mean you were into boinking Ashley in Mass Effect or whatever, but something where the romance was the main part. Even if it's just a romcom or something

I am a men and I love cheesy romance. Especially Japanese love dramas or British romance movies like Notting Hill or Love actually. I think I watched over 300 Japanese dramas and most of them were romance. I just love this cheesy stuff. Sadly the newer ones are less romantic and mostly some high school stuff with "hot" looking young men. I prefer more the older ones like Long Vacation for example^^

Sadly somehting like this is not being made here in the west. At least for the most part.

#149 Edited by graf1k (437 posts) -

@byterunner said:

@Animasta said:

I don't mean you were into boinking Ashley in Mass Effect or whatever,

pssh, who thinks of boinking Ashley, its all about that Liara. Common man, get it together.

Different strokes I guess. I was all about Tali in the first game.

As to the question at hand, I don't dislike romance in movies, TV or games, but most of the stuff labeled as romantic (romance novels, romantic comedies, Nick Sparks stuff, ect.) doesn't really strike me as very romantic or good. There are some romantic comedies that I do like though. I frigging loved "Amelie". "Eternal Sunshine" was also pretty good but even more standard RomCom fare like a movie called "Imagine Me & You" was very cute, I thought. "Moonrise Kingdom" was a very good recent movie that I would consider romantic. I even like Richard Curtis' stuff occasionally. Love Actually was pretty cute and I really liked this movie he wrote for HBO I think called "The Girl in the Cafe", although to be totally honest I have a massive crush on Kelly MacDonald so that might explain that one a little bit. I even thought parts of "Seeking a Friend for the End of the World" was pretty cute. Hell, one of my favorite movies from when I was a kid is "The Princess Bride" and that's VERY romantic IMO. Another that is less romantic but still a bit of a romantic comedy from my childhood is "A Fish Called Wanda" which is cute but also one of the funniest movies I've ever seen and it seems like no one I've met my age (20s) seems to know about it. One of my favorite TV shows ever is Twin Peaks which is basically just a soap opera. A very weird one, given, but still a soap opera. I always liked Cooper and Audrey's relationship.

#150 Posted by OppressiveStink (357 posts) -

@Animasta:

I don't like the traditional romance films, simply because a good non-demographic-targeted romance story is hard to do. Romance as the conflict in a movie usually has one of a few tropes "Love Triangle", "Star Crossed Lovers" or "Forbidden Love", none of which particularly interests me.

Though, you were making a comment on anime and there are two romance anime that I like. ToRaDoRa and Sword Art Online, simply because these did not end when the couples got together as most romances do. There was an after, a building of a relationship, something that is missing from most romance-based media.