Why is there such resistance to teaching intelligent design in th

Design would indeed imply a designer.

Life is not a design, however.

Argument from incredulity is a classic logical fallacy: "It's too complex for me to understand, therefore it must be magic."

Intelligent design is not testable, it is not science.  It is creationism in the guise of pseudoscience.  It has absolutely no place in a public funded classroom.

"Design would indeed imply a designer.

Life is not a design, however.

Argument from incredulity is a classic logical fallacy: "It's too complex for me to understand, therefore it must be magic."

Intelligent design is not testable, it is not science.  It is creationism in the guise of pseudoscience.  It has absolutely no place in a public funded classroom."

"Sweep said:

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You have such an open mind......."

Simple answer: No respected scientist with any sort of body of work supports ID. It's bullshit, and that's that.

IC9, is that you?

NO! they are already teaching us enuff! i don't wan't to "learn" anymore!! i already have enuff homework. why is it that adults think they need to feed all this shit into kids brains? JUST TEACH ME THE BASICs, I'LL LEARN THE REST ON MY OWN, IF I WAN'T

To keep this brief, school systems (in the US at least) will NEVER have intelligent design in their curriculum. First of all, it's not science, and would be a waste of taxpayer dollars. Second of all, the Supreme Court is always in favor of separation of church and state, and will not allow religion to be taught in public schools. People who want to push the idea that God created humans have no respect for other people's beliefs or for the Constitution. Seriously people, we fought a war for our independence and created one of the first modern Constitution that ensures equal rights, and some people just treat it like nothing.

"IC9, is that you?"

The Earth is 6000 years old too right?

"To keep this brief, school systems (in the US at least) will NEVER have intelligent design in their curriculum. First of all, it's not science, and would be a waste of taxpayer dollars. Second of all, the Supreme Court is always in favor of separation of church and state, and will not allow religion to be taught in public schools. People who want to push the idea that God created humans have no respect for other people's beliefs or for the Constitution. Seriously people, we fought a war for our independence and created one of the first modern Constitution that ensures equal rights, and some people just treat it like nothing."

"Colonel_Cool said:

"To keep this brief, school systems (in the US at least) will NEVER have intelligent design in their curriculum. First of all, it's not science, and would be a waste of taxpayer dollars. Second of all, the Supreme Court is always in favor of separation of church and state, and will not allow religion to be taught in public schools. People who want to push the idea that God created humans have no respect for other people's beliefs or for the Constitution. Seriously people, we fought a war for our independence and created one of the first modern Constitution that ensures equal rights, and some people just treat it like nothing."

Reading what people wrote actually helps, Colonel_Cool:

>>So there is no religion class in the US? That's interesting. I'd say thats a reason threads like this happen. I'm not religious, even though I was raised by christians, but teaching the diversity of world religions, different schools of thought and different takes on experiencing the world to students can only make them more tolerant. "Religion"-class is anything but about "truth". It's showing the kids that there are differently thinking people on the world, and having a place were such controversial issues can be adressed. You might also call it "Religion and Philosophy class". You learn about the origin of the bible, you learn about how and what christians, muslims, jews etc. believe, you work your way through text and essays of renowned theists, fundamentalists and atheists, you talk about death (penalty), the origin of life, the influence of culture, politics and geography on beliefs, etc.
There's room for every school of thought. No "truths" are put into your head. Teachers do not take sides, but students can, and are encouraged to debate with each other. When doing exams, most often you're given a text and you're supposed to analyze it under different points of view.
Now if every child in the US were taught neo-darwinism in biology class, but at the same time had another place/class to discuss ID, and how some people chose to view the world differently, this stupid, neverending debate would finally vanish.

We all agree that Religion doesn't belong to science classes, and that seperation of church and state is a good thing. In Germany, teachers aren't allowed to wear religious symbols (headscarfs for example) in class. But there's still a "Religion/Philosophy" class, neither teaching religion nor teaching religiously, but giving young people an overview of world religions and how different people believe different. This is exactly the kind of education most of the more stubborn participants in this debate lack."

our modern world is based on religious ideas, understanding what ideas made the world of today is understanding how the world of today works [...]
I'm talking about every religion here not the one that is domination locally"

We do teach comparative religion in the US, and that information certainly is invaluable to understanding the shaping of thought in human civilization. Intelligent design presented in a comparative religion class as a belief that some people hold is something that I don't think anyone is really opposed to.

Mysticism has no place in an empirical science class, however.

The belief is that religion should be kept out of school, so I guess that has something to do with it. I'm a Christian, but I still wouldn't want teachers to teach its concepts or any other religious concepts.

Religion is allowed in school- and contrary to popular belief, students are absolutely allowed to pray in school.

Faculty lead or mandated prayer is what is prohibited.

Im over this debate, but heres my opinion. Its futile arguing about it. You cant convince a non-believer and you cant argue with a faithful believer. So, who cares?

RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE

Oh yeah also because intelligent design is only specific to certain religions so teaching it in a secular school would be inappropriate. They don't teach concepts like reincarnation either for the same reason but to be honest you learn about them indirectly anyway, especially if you have classes on religion.

Also if you take a look at all the bullshit controversy this thread probably started the school system doesn't need to add anymore reason for parents to complain at them about.

"Colonel_Cool said:

"To keep this brief, school systems (in the US at least) will NEVER have intelligent design in their curriculum. First of all, it's not science, and would be a waste of taxpayer dollars. Second of all, the Supreme Court is always in favor of separation of church and state, and will not allow religion to be taught in public schools. People who want to push the idea that God created humans have no respect for other people's beliefs or for the Constitution. Seriously people, we fought a war for our independence and created one of the first modern Constitution that ensures equal rights, and some people just treat it like nothing."

Reading what people wrote actually helps, Colonel_Cool:

>>So there is no religion class in the US? That's interesting. I'd say thats a reason threads like this happen. I'm not religious, even though I was raised by christians, but teaching the diversity of world religions, different schools of thought and different takes on experiencing the world to students can only make them more tolerant. "Religion"-class is anything but about "truth". It's showing the kids that there are differently thinking people on the world, and having a place were such controversial issues can be adressed. You might also call it "Religion and Philosophy class". You learn about the origin of the bible, you learn about how and what christians, muslims, jews etc. believe, you work your way through text and essays of renowned theists, fundamentalists and atheists, you talk about death (penalty), the origin of life, the influence of culture, politics and geography on beliefs, etc.
There's room for every school of thought. No "truths" are put into your head. Teachers do not take sides, but students can, and are encouraged to debate with each other. When doing exams, most often you're given a text and you're supposed to analyze it under different points of view.
Now if every child in the US were taught neo-darwinism in biology class, but at the same time had another place/class to discuss ID, and how some people chose to view the world differently, this stupid, neverending debate would finally vanish.

We all agree that Religion doesn't belong to science classes, and that seperation of church and state is a good thing. In Germany, teachers aren't allowed to wear religious symbols (headscarfs for example) in class. But there's still a "Religion/Philosophy" class, neither teaching religion nor teaching religiously, but giving young people an overview of world religions and how different people believe different. This is exactly the kind of education most of the more stubborn participants in this debate lack."

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"hey guys have you seen the new.... *looks at topic and runs*"

"Vaxadrin said:

"Mind providing the source for that copy & paste job?"

What? I didn't copy that man. Maybe I should have used smaller words. Anyway, since no one wants to have a discussion, a Mod can close this. I see all the trolls from gamespot just ran over here. Good day."

Because the theory of intelligent design cannot be supported using the scientific method. Such a belief is fine in the sanctity of ones preferred temple of worship, but not a public education forum.

I'm an atheist but I have no problems with people believing in what they want. I just don't think it really pertains to something educational. Perhaps in a social studies class but definitely not a science class.

"roofy said:

""Explain to me how god popped out of nowhere, you can't.
Yes the big bang theory is just a guess, and I'm not sure how that works either, no one is sure.
But the idea of a Supreme being popping out of nowhere with seemingly infinite power is a little far fetched as well."

the definition of God is a being an omnipotent being that transcends time and space.

by that definition it is impossible for me to "prove" that to you because he not confined by time, which means he was never born not died and was always there, and transcends space which means he cannot be confined to a certain area. that's why religions are called "faiths", by the fact that there will be no proof that he exists and that you must make a leap of faith to believe. im not asking you or anyone to take that leap or believe. all that i am asking is to have an open mind when it comes to these matters"

As long as you accept that there is currently no proof for it, and, acknowledging that, do not try to push your beliefs on others(not to say that you are), I acknowledge the possibility that
a- An external creator made life as a cell.
b- An external creator is influencing our evolution.
c- An external creator made us in such a way that he knew how he would evolve."

"I don't like getting involved in these weak religious debates but I am just going to say that I think they should make kids understand that they have a choice in what they want to believe in/learn. Forcing a belief down their throats (evolution) is the same as teaching religion in a school. It's not right and you should let the person decide what they want to learn/believe in. The way they teach evolution is like it is total fact. Which is bullshit you know? It's a theory. A theory shouldn't be taught like it's a fact.  my 2 cents."