#1 Posted by SpartyOn (500 posts) -


#2 Posted by Rokkaku (221 posts) -

No way, he might win a tournament here or there, even a major if none of the younger guys play a good game, but his dominance is over. Mentally and physically I don't think he can ever get back to where he was. It's sad because his play at his best was nothing short of beautiful, astonishing but that was then and this is now. Golf has moved on from being the Tiger Woods Show, and I can't see it ever really going back.

#3 Posted by Dagbiker (6939 posts) -

No, his time is passed

#4 Posted by PassiveKaerenai (326 posts) -

Guy's still wealthy enough that he can quit the whole media circus for good. In his position, I'd be grateful to retire.

#5 Posted by SpartyOn (500 posts) -

I say absolutely yes. Tiger's approach to the game and his talent level combine to make a golfer with seemingly unlimited potential. He's dedicated his entire life to surpassing Nicklaus' Record for Major wins, and I can't fathom a reality in which he doesn't accomplish that goal. He's had slumps before, as have many great golfers before him. Nicklaus himself had an 8 year span without a major win. Tiger has plenty of golf left in him and he's too good to continue playing at a mediocre level for much longer, so I'm predicting another major win for him within the next year.

We watch sports to see the best athletes in the world play their best, and, regardless of his personal decisions, Tiger Woods was an institution in the sport, and I can't wait to see him make a comeback.

#6 Posted by Ramone (2959 posts) -

I hope not. I prefer it this way where almost anyone can win a tournament. It makes it more exciting to watch.

#7 Edited by SpartyOn (500 posts) -

@Ramone said:

I hope not. I prefer it this way where almost anyone can win a tournament. It makes it more exciting to watch.

Don't you think phenoms like Woods push the game forward competitively though? Before Tiger the Tour players were barely considered "Professional Athletes" due to a serious lack of athleticism and physical fitness. Tiger came in and changed all that, all while crafting what is almost undeniably the most technically proficient swing in golf history.

Players like that are what pushes the talent level forward in sports. I'm fine with Tiger winning constantly if he's the best, until the talent level rises to meet him. I think that's good for golf.

#8 Posted by Delta_Ass (3255 posts) -

No, fucking porn stars curses you forever.

#9 Posted by WMWA (1160 posts) -

I wish. But no, he's fucked himself up too much. Plus, he always alienated himself from the rest of the golf world so no one will be eager to help him. I really doubt he can be honest with himself and admit he needs help getting his game on track anyways. So yeah, it's incredibly sad to see. He's my favorite athlete, but his run is over

#10 Posted by Dagbiker (6939 posts) -
@Delta_Ass
No, fucking porn stars curses you forever.
i think its called Hep B
#11 Posted by Tim_the_Corsair (3065 posts) -

He has perma-yips now

#12 Posted by sins_of_mosin (1556 posts) -

Nope and I hope he never wins anything again. The dude is a major dbag.

#13 Posted by James_ex_machina (905 posts) -

I'm not a golfer but was rooting for someone to break and set records. His whole life has crumbled. He's still an amazing golfer but he lost IT.

#14 Posted by Karkarov (2999 posts) -

I admit to laughing out loud for real a few days ago during the coverage of the masters. They were talking about the leaders and going over everyone within the current top 5 at the time.... then suddenly devoted like 5-8 minutes to talking about tiger woods who was something like 8 strokes back. Wake up, he is out of the Masters and his career is basically over was the only thing I could think. If he had an iota of good sense he would retire now before his game completely falls off the deep end.

#15 Posted by Snipzor (3317 posts) -

@SpartyOn said:

I say absolutely yes. Tiger's approach to the game and his talent level combine to make a golfer with seemingly unlimited potential. He's dedicated his entire life to surpassing Nicklaus' Record for Major wins, and I can't fathom a reality in which he doesn't accomplish that goal. He's had slumps before, as have many great golfers before him. Nicklaus himself had an 8 year span without a major win. Tiger has plenty of golf left in him and he's too good to continue playing at a mediocre level for much longer, so I'm predicting another major win for him within the next year.

We watch sports to see the best athletes in the world play their best, and, regardless of his personal decisions, Tiger Woods was an institution in the sport, and I can't wait to see him make a comeback.

Know what, I've spent the entire Masters yelling at CBS for always going back to Tiger Woods when he has some mediocre shot. Especially considering Louis Oosthuizen's outstanding albatross, which is not something Tiger Woods ever achieved. Or Adam Scott's hole-in-one on a par three, which is not harder than an albatross, but still outstanding. But for some reason, they won't receive any more amount of media attention than Tiger, despite how for the longest of time, he was tied for 38 (And only got worse).

I would cheer for his comeback if he also weren't such a damn baby about everything. Kicking clubs, swearing when he has a bad shot (Which nowadays is often), having a god awful attitude generally is not something I would want to see surpass Nicklaus ever. We watch golf not to see Tiger, we watch it to see everyone play their best, and I'm certain the vast majority of golf fans are tired of having the scorecard continue scrolling down until we see Tiger Woods' horrid score.

#16 Posted by chocolaterhinovampire (1287 posts) -

I think he will have one more run of dominance and then be sapped of his a game. Never underestimate the power of Mr Woods.

#17 Posted by SpartyOn (500 posts) -

@Snipzor said:

@SpartyOn said:

I say absolutely yes. Tiger's approach to the game and his talent level combine to make a golfer with seemingly unlimited potential. He's dedicated his entire life to surpassing Nicklaus' Record for Major wins, and I can't fathom a reality in which he doesn't accomplish that goal. He's had slumps before, as have many great golfers before him. Nicklaus himself had an 8 year span without a major win. Tiger has plenty of golf left in him and he's too good to continue playing at a mediocre level for much longer, so I'm predicting another major win for him within the next year.

We watch sports to see the best athletes in the world play their best, and, regardless of his personal decisions, Tiger Woods was an institution in the sport, and I can't wait to see him make a comeback.

Know what, I've spent the entire Masters yelling at CBS for always going back to Tiger Woods when he has some mediocre shot. Especially considering Louis Oosthuizen's outstanding albatross, which is not something Tiger Woods ever achieved. Or Adam Scott's hole-in-one on a par three, which is not harder than an albatross, but still outstanding. But for some reason, they won't receive any more amount of media attention than Tiger, despite how for the longest of time, he was tied for 38 (And only got worse).

I would cheer for his comeback if he also weren't such a damn baby about everything. Kicking clubs, swearing when he has a bad shot (Which nowadays is often), having a god awful attitude generally is not something I would want to see surpass Nicklaus ever. We watch golf not to see Tiger, we watch it to see everyone play their best, and I'm certain the vast majority of golf fans are tired of having the scorecard continue scrolling down until we see Tiger Woods' horrid score.

When Tiger left golf for a while a few years back, the Tour's TV rankings and attendance were down over 50%. Commissioner Finchem has openly stated that Tiger Woods is the reason most of golf's new fans watch the sport. Stats also show that when Tiger is not playing in a tournament, attendance and viewership are down around 50% again, and that trend continues if he is in a tournament and no longer in contention. So, the "vast majority of golf fans" actually DO want to see Tiger Woods not only play, but win. The reason TV networks continue to show Woods' rounds even when he's playing poorly, is because viewership consistently rises as the amount of Tiger footage rises as well.

The reason Tiger gets the media attention he does, is because of who he is. He's been on television since he was 2 years old..the kid had cameras follow him to high school for God's sake. He has worked towards a singular goal, to pass Nicklaus, with more commitment and drive than most people apply to all of their endeavors throughout a lifetime. I hardly understand how you can call Tiger a "baby" for kicking a club. The man has more talent than any athlete alive, and his life has been hell for the last few years... riddled with surgery, allegations, divorce, and extreme embarrassment. Top losses on top of that, and it's no surprise a man who hates losing more than anyone, would get frustrated....and let's be honest, we've all done far worse than kicking a club out of anger while going through a hell of a lot less than Tiger.

My point, I suppose, is that your final statement: "We watch golf not to see Tiger, we watch it to see everyone play their best, and I'm certain the vast majority of golf fans are tired of having the scorecard continue scrolling down until we see Tiger Woods' horrid score" is 100% correct, but for reasons that completely oppose those which you intended. Most people clearly do watch golf for Tiger, and it's not his constant presence on TV that people are tired of, it's his losing. People want Tiger back, Professionals want Tiger back, the tour wants Tiger back, and Tiger wants to be back, and, for the sake of golf, I hope it happens soon.

#18 Posted by MikeGosot (3227 posts) -

No. But the guy was AWESOME. They should rename "golf" to "Tiger Woods. He play this game. He's better than you.".

#19 Posted by thevigilanteoflove (504 posts) -

Yes, I definitely think he will get out of this funk and will win at least a few more majors and probably pass Jack eventually. He is still relatively young at 36, and this funk will pass.

#20 Posted by GorillaMoPena (1938 posts) -

Return to form? Nope. We will never see that Tiger again. Too many injuries, too many swing changes. Becoming one of the best again? He will eventually win a few more majors. I don't think he will pass Jack anymore.

But there is always something wrong with his game now, either he can't put or he is driving the ball in the woods all the time

#21 Posted by Grilledcheez (3943 posts) -

He just won a tournament the other week. He was also (not sure if currently) leading the tour in driving before the Masters (which I don't think he ever did), so once he gets his putting stroke back and distance control, YES.

#22 Posted by Jimbo (9775 posts) -

@MikeGosot said:

No. But the guy was AWESOME. They should rename "golf" to "Tiger Woods. He play this game. He's better than you.".

Catchy.

#23 Posted by MikeGosot (3227 posts) -
@Jimbo said:

@MikeGosot said:

No. But the guy was AWESOME. They should rename "golf" to "Tiger Woods. He play this game. He's better than you.".

Catchy.

Well, it's a better name than... Golf.
#24 Posted by iam3green (14390 posts) -

i think so, and it was a couple of years ago that he had that situation of cheating with people.

#25 Posted by JasonR86 (9609 posts) -

No. He's far past his prime now.

#26 Posted by SeriouslyNow (8534 posts) -

This thread shows that men can be just as bitchy as they project women to be.

#27 Edited by Claude (16254 posts) -

I believe he can. He just needs to find that peace within. It's funny, Bubba Watson's father was a Green Beret much like Tiger's father. Bubba just swings the club and approaches the chaos with a reckless abandon. Tiger used to do that, but he seems to be stuck in the mechanics of golf instead of playing natural golf.
 
Quote from Bobby Jones
 
" Golf is a game that is played on a 5 inch course - the distance between your ears."

#28 Posted by SpartyOn (500 posts) -

@Claude said:

I believe he can. He just needs to find that peace within. It's funny, Bubba Watson's father was a Green Beret much like Tiger's father. Bubba just swings the club and approaches the chaos with a reckless abandon. Tiger used to do that, but he seems to be stuck in the mechanics of golf instead of playing natural golf. Quote from Bobby Jones " Golf is a game that is played on a 5 inch course - the distance between your ears."

I think Tiger had to go away from that because of his injuries. His rotation and swing speed...his entire swing...was so powerful and efficient that the pressure he put on his lower body must have been immense. Not only that but the training he puts himself through, and his father put him through for years, includes distance running and weight lifting that continues to just pound his bottom half. Do you think he keeps fiddling with his swing to try and ease the strain he puts on himself, to avoid re aggravating old injuries?

#29 Posted by Claude (16254 posts) -
@SpartyOn said:

@Claude said:

I believe he can. He just needs to find that peace within. It's funny, Bubba Watson's father was a Green Beret much like Tiger's father. Bubba just swings the club and approaches the chaos with a reckless abandon. Tiger used to do that, but he seems to be stuck in the mechanics of golf instead of playing natural golf. Quote from Bobby Jones " Golf is a game that is played on a 5 inch course - the distance between your ears."

I think Tiger had to go away from that because of his injuries. His rotation and swing speed...his entire swing...was so powerful and efficient that the pressure he put on his lower body must have been immense. Not only that but the training he puts himself through, and his father put him through for years, includes distance running and weight lifting that continues to just pound his bottom half. Do you think he keeps fiddling with his swing to try and ease the strain he puts on himself, to avoid re aggravating old injuries?

It's a little bit of both. Tiger always talks of not trusting his swing and converting back to old habits when he's on the course. He states he can do it on the range, but sometimes it doesn't translate to competition. His new swing does take the pressure off his left knee. And when he's on, he can drive it a long way, but there again, that doesn't take away from his off and on again putting. What's that old saying in golf? You drive for show and putt for dough.
#30 Posted by clumsyninja1 (817 posts) -

Probably not but he will tournaments, Masters i don't think so. It kinda reminds me of Roger Federer, I don't see Fed winning slams but if the draw is easy who knows? The same with Tiger if his opponents aren't tough YES...

#31 Posted by Jimbo (9775 posts) -

@MikeGosot said:

@Jimbo said:

@MikeGosot said:

No. But the guy was AWESOME. They should rename "golf" to "Tiger Woods. He play this game. He's better than you.".

Catchy.

Well, it's a better name than... Golf.

Fair point. I don't even know why they named it after a car in the first place.

#32 Posted by Hailinel (23927 posts) -

I pay attention to Tiger now only for the delicious schadenfreude he provides.

#33 Posted by Guided_By_Tigers (8061 posts) -

I don't think he'll return to his past dominance but I think he'll win a couple more majors.

#34 Posted by MikeGosot (3227 posts) -
@Jimbo said:

@MikeGosot said:

@Jimbo said:

@MikeGosot said:

No. But the guy was AWESOME. They should rename "golf" to "Tiger Woods. He play this game. He's better than you.".

Catchy.

Well, it's a better name than... Golf.

Fair point. I don't even know why they named it after a car in the first place.

Besides, if the name was "Tiger Woods. He play this game. He's better than you." people could simply call it "Tiger", which is a way more interesting name than... Golf.
#35 Posted by TooWalrus (13137 posts) -

I certainly hope so- but I doubt it. I love the dude- always have, but I doubt he's ever going to dominate again.

#36 Posted by WilltheMagicAsian (1544 posts) -

No way, I won The Masters as an amateur by a landslide in PGA Tour 13. Guy blows.

#37 Posted by Stonyman65 (2596 posts) -

Yes.

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#38 Posted by Bruce (5264 posts) -

@Delta_Ass:

Charlie Sheen would disagree with you, sir!