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#1 Posted by CRAzYKiLL3R93 (368 posts) -


#2 Edited by CRAzYKiLL3R93 (368 posts) -

No, I'm not wearing some tin foil hat and this isn't a conspiracy. It's actually an honest question. I know it's against the law to leave, but things change over time.

I was at work today, and I overheard a group of customers talking about California's budget crisis and how California should become its own independent nation. I always thought talk like that was reserved for Texas, not California. I then hung out with some friends and told them about it and they seemed fine with the idea, and that California should indeed leave the union.

California, like the other big states New York and Texas, pay more in income tax than we receive in federal spending. So an independent California could, in theory, use that federal money to pay off its debts. So I see where they're coming from, but independence seems a rather drastic step.

My opinion is that I wouldn't vote for something like that, but if it happened I wouldn't move.

#3 Posted by nintendoeats (5975 posts) -

Yeah, it would be really nice if Canada stopped being part of the United States. Then maybe we could keep all of our water for ourselves.

#4 Posted by Video_Game_King (36272 posts) -

What state?

#5 Posted by Prince_of_Space (82 posts) -

Nah, Michigan would probably be even worse off on its own.

#6 Posted by MooseyMcMan (11021 posts) -

That would be treason.

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#7 Posted by pyromagnestir (4324 posts) -

No, kick some of them shitty states out instead. Massachusetts is here to stay.

#8 Posted by CRAzYKiLL3R93 (368 posts) -

@Video_Game_King: The state you live in, if you live in the US

#9 Posted by AlexW00d (6275 posts) -

Yes fuck the Scottish. And the Welsh. And the Northern Irish.

This isn't what you meant and I knew that.

#10 Posted by ShaggE (6454 posts) -

Pshh, we're a Commonwealth. Eat that, suckas.

... Wait, PA sucks. Damn. :(

#11 Posted by SockemJetpack (408 posts) -

Hmmm... this thread reeks of sedition. Agents have been dispatched to your area.

#12 Posted by Dagbiker (6976 posts) -

California being a state in the United States is not the reason why it has problems with money.

At one point when I was younger, I thought my state should leave, but it is dumb, and only creates a lot of new problems.

#13 Posted by WilltheMagicAsian (1545 posts) -

It'd give me a reason to leave California. Maybe head up to Oregon or Washington.

#14 Posted by Sackmanjones (4705 posts) -

Are you a communist? You're probably a communist. You communist bastard!!

#15 Edited by CRAzYKiLL3R93 (368 posts) -

@Dagbiker said:

California being a state in the United States is not the reason why it has problems with money.

At one point when I was younger, I thought my state should leave, but it is dumb, and only creates a lot of new problems.

I understand that, I live in California after all.

I actually think California would do okay as an independent nation, and would be in the best shape of all the states to do so. It's just I don't think it would be the right decision to leave, after all it was the United States that made California we know today possible.

#16 Posted by kermoosh (911 posts) -

never, that stated would be screwed on it's own. with all the trading in the country that state would face a ton of tariffs that would destroy them

you would have to be stupid to propose this, or not living in that state to propose it

#17 Posted by benspyda (2034 posts) -

I live in Australia so I voted yes.

#18 Posted by Hailinel (24809 posts) -

I have no interest in treason or civil war, so nope.

#19 Posted by deathstriker666 (1337 posts) -

I would have no regrets killing you dirty secessionists. For the Union!

#20 Posted by salad10203 (654 posts) -

@deathstriker666 said:

I would have no regrets killing you dirty secessionists. For the Union!

#21 Posted by Godlyawesomeguy (6398 posts) -

Sure, I'm a longtime Civil War buff and I've always wanted to see a similar, modern, and more realistic re-enaction.

#22 Posted by Blackout62 (1342 posts) -

*Weighs the options* Would we be going by the New California Republic?

#23 Posted by Brunchies (2484 posts) -

I would like for Florida to succeed and join up with Puerto Rico, that would be a cool nation.

#24 Posted by BoG (5191 posts) -

I think that we'd sooner be kicked out than try to leave. The general perception of my state, Utah, is that it's very strange.

#25 Posted by Gargantuan (1882 posts) -

Västerbotten should probably stay with Sweden.

#26 Posted by Jaytow (694 posts) -

We fight for freedom, so that everyman may have democracy. Oh and if you don't want to be part of our union then fuck you, traitor. Tak about becoming the very thing you tried to escape, huh? Even we British folk allow our nations to leave the union.

#27 Posted by JasonR86 (9707 posts) -

No.

Plus my state would just implode if they left the Union. I live in Washington and our state government is run by idiots.

#28 Posted by Toxeia (729 posts) -

California splitting off from the rest of the country would help... how? I wouldn't mind it - they're a drain on the rest of the country. Good luck with your fantastic legislation and crippling state debt.

Here in Texas the only talk of secession is when people bring up Obama wanting to break into your home and steal your guns. I'd support it if the federal government ever did start infringing on the rights granted by the Bill of Rights, but otherwise it's better to stay in the union and do your part to change it for the better.

#29 Posted by CRAzYKiLL3R93 (368 posts) -

@Jaytow said:

We fight for freedom, so that everyman may have democracy. Oh and if you don't want to be part of our union then fuck you, traitor. Tak about becoming the very thing you tried to escape, huh? Even we British folk allow our nations to leave the union.

I do agree with that. I think if a clear majority of the people in a state vote to leave they should be allowed to.

I would vote no, but if say Arizona voted to leave that is their business.

#30 Posted by Animasta (14691 posts) -

only if it included washington and british columbia

cascadia motherfuckers

#31 Posted by Dagbiker (6976 posts) -

@CRAzYKiLL3R93 said:

@Dagbiker said:

California being a state in the United States is not the reason why it has problems with money.

At one point when I was younger, I thought my state should leave, but it is dumb, and only creates a lot of new problems.

I understand that, I live in California after all.

I actually think California would do okay as an independent nation, and would be in the best shape of all the states to do so. It's just I don't think it would be the right decision to leave, after all it was the United States that made California we know today possible.

What will you use for money? You cant use the dollar bill, because you dont control the printing of that. I assume you dont have facaltys that can print unique paper money.

How will you get the supply's you need? You need Imports, because your country cant do everything. You cant produce all the electronics, weapons, medicine, and food, your country needs. In order to get this you need exports, what will you export. Do you produce enough of it. Is it valued high enough.

What will you use for an army? How will you stop the USA, from taking its troops and occuping your cities. You dont have an Army trained for this, in fact you dont have an Army at all.

These are just a few of the problems that you will encounter when you leave the nation.

#32 Posted by Clonedzero (4200 posts) -

well with current day circumstances? no.

if things got really weird and crazy,?sure.

#33 Posted by CRAzYKiLL3R93 (368 posts) -

@Toxeia said:

California splitting off from the rest of the country would help... how? I wouldn't mind it - they're a drain on the rest of the country. Good luck with your fantastic legislation and crippling state debt.

Here in Texas the only talk of secession is when people bring up Obama wanting to break into your home and steal your guns. I'd support it if the federal government ever did start infringing on the rights granted by the Bill of Rights, but otherwise it's better to stay in the union and do your part to change it for the better.

As I said before, that money California pays the federal government would stay in California, technically speaking California is not a drain on the nation. We are more liberal than the nation as a whole (though not as liberal as people think) so I guess that would be a reason too. California and Texas are polar opposites so it would be for different reasons., government not doing enough vs government doing too much. While I don't think those men thought about setting up a new currency or the other duties of a nation. It's an easy idea to think about, but a lot goes into making a nation.

Texas is basically ran by business, that's a terrible way of doing things. So your state doesn't have it right either. And sure, we're in debt but we're cutting spending and voting to raise taxes in November in an attempt to fix ourselves.

#34 Posted by CRAzYKiLL3R93 (368 posts) -

@Dagbiker: Yeah I understand all of that.

California makes a surprising amount of food, and is one of the leading food producing states in the nation. Central California is all farmland.

As I've said in previous posts, I don't support leaving. But out of all of the states, I think California would be the most able to go it alone. If California was independent it would be a top ten world economy.

#35 Posted by sins_of_mosin (1556 posts) -

I'm in favor of huge cities like Chicago, NYC, LA, ect ect become like D.C.  Totally independent of the states they are in.  That way the rest of the state does not have to pay for being part of such crap.  You have no idea how much I hate Chicago and how badly it fucks up the rest of the state.  Make it independent and then throw up a wall so it's trash can't come south like it does now.

#36 Posted by President_Barackbar (3462 posts) -
@BoG said:

I think that we'd sooner be kicked out than try to leave. The general perception of my state, Utah, is that it's very strange.

Your forefathers just couldn't bear the thought of only having one wife.
#37 Posted by Pox22 (342 posts) -

I would not support the secession of Illinois, since our country would essentially be Chicago.

No sale.

#38 Posted by frankfartmouth (1018 posts) -

@sins_of_mosin said:

I'm in favor of huge cities like Chicago, NYC, LA, ect ect become like D.C. Totally independent of the states they are in. That way the rest of the state does not have to pay for being part of such crap. You have no idea how much I hate Chicago and how badly it fucks up the rest of the state. Make it independent and then throw up a wall so it's trash can't come south like it does now.

So it's trash doesn't go south to where? Beautiful, idyllic Alton? I'd much rather live in Chicago than Central or Southern Illinois. Although a wall or a dome surrounding the city would be kind of cool.

#39 Posted by CRAzYKiLL3R93 (368 posts) -

@Pox22 said:

I would not support the secession of Illinois, since our country would essentially be Chicago.

No sale.

Is Chicago really that bad? You're not the first person in this thread to say it sucks

#40 Posted by beej (1674 posts) -

@Animasta: Woah California isn't part of Cascadia, that's reserved for us lucky Oregonians, Washington residents and B.C. residents!

#41 Posted by Animasta (14691 posts) -

@beej said:

@Animasta: Woah California isn't part of Cascadia, that's reserved for us lucky Oregonians, Washington residents and B.C. residents!

well I didn't mean california silly D: though some representations of it have had parts of northern cali afaik.

#42 Posted by SpaceJamLunchbox (127 posts) -

Living in Ohio, I would not support such an absurd idea, I do, however support Texas trying it. Watching Texans scatter to the border of the state to build the biggest goddamn fence you've ever seen would be worth the loss.

#43 Posted by Winternet (8019 posts) -

That would make sense to California. I believe if they went independent, they would be the 5th or 6th richest country in the world.

#44 Edited by ThePickle (4182 posts) -

My state is NJ, so probably not. We're tiny. But if we were a country we'd have the 26th highest GDP!

#45 Posted by beej (1674 posts) -

@Animasta said:

@beej said:

@Animasta: Woah California isn't part of Cascadia, that's reserved for us lucky Oregonians, Washington residents and B.C. residents!

well I didn't mean california silly D: though some representations of it have had parts of northern cali afaik.

I always thought southern Oregon and California went and did their own thing. Woops.

#46 Posted by Little_Socrates (5677 posts) -

No, Illinois would be fucked!

#47 Posted by benpicko (2008 posts) -

@AlexW00d said:

Yes fuck the Scottish. And the Welsh. And the Northern Irish.

This isn't what you meant and I knew that.

I thought that was what he meant :(.

#48 Posted by StalkingTurnip (150 posts) -

@SpaceJamLunchbox said:

Living in Ohio, I would not support such an absurd idea, I do, however support Texas trying it. Watching Texans scatter to the border of the state to build the biggest goddamn fence you've ever seen would be worth the loss.

As a Texan, I would vote to secede only if our new northern border's fence was made out of guns. We really missed an oppurtunity with the last one.

#49 Posted by Guided_By_Tigers (8061 posts) -

Defection is always cool so sure.

#50 Edited by mandude (2669 posts) -

Yes. Mighty Eire should remove itself from the EU and become the major world power it was always destined to be.

On a more realistic note, if Washington were to secede, I would leave instantly, as there is very little keeping me here anyway. My allegiance to it is as such that I would still find it interesting enough to see happening, despite any wishes to leave when it does, though.