@milkman: It's a single witness, at least in that article. I'd suggest you fix it to be singular not plural :)
@marokai said:
Been following this for a bit. Some of the scenes have been horrifying. The reasons for these things run deep and are complicated, but heads need to roll in those police units. Anything I could describe this as would be an understatement.
It's so easy to see them as the bad guys, but you absolutely must not ignore the position they are in. No problem is one sided, and this one is far from one sided.
It's incredibly difficult to be in their position when they have to deal with the issues in front of them. It's easy to blame the cops for this issue, but there is behavior on the other side that makes their jobs incredibly difficult.
There's also very little information out there that is especially concrete. What if the shooting was totally legitimate? Why is the assumption always "fuckin cops, probably lied about it," whenever there's no real information. If you aren't going to take police seriously, why are you taking the people stirring up trouble seriously? Or the people trying to get sympathetic responses seriously? Everyone has a reason to sway things. Lets wait until some real info comes. Too often we allow this sort of thing to be sensationalized. And the public loves to hate on the authorities so inevitably as public opinion gains more and more sway over the process, the process becomes closer and closer to falling over the line of reason and justice.
I don't know why the kid was shot. And saying that doesn't mean I'm taking the side of the officers of the precinct or anything. It just means that I am not prepared to pass judgement. All I want is to convey how important reason and responsibility is in such issues. A man's life ended, and another man's life hangs in the balance. Sadly, so many people are clouded by anger and fear and will forget that he is just as much a human as the kid. And it's just as possible for his life to be ruined for the wrong reason as for the right reasons, as far as pretty much 100% of the world is concerned, because other than those who were there, no one truly knows what happened. If you've decided to believe a kid over a cop, or a cop of a kid, it's not because it's the right thing to do it's because you have a bias. Neither way is right.
A kid died, and that sucks. The cop also came out of it with a pretty damaged face. Sure, he could have had a buddy smack him around a bit, but it's not like all signs point to an unjustified shooting. This is a difficult and sensitive situation and it needs to be handled that way, with no assumptions and no passion. Just pursuit of the truth and justice.
And for those who WANT the cop to be guilty? Shame on you. No one should want that. Let the process take place.
It's also worth mentioning that the police force should be commended for being able to repel protesters throwing Molotov cocktails without causing significant injury to protesters. Easy to portray the entire force as monsters based on one officer's potentially abhorrent behavior. But that sounds like a well trained and disciplined force.
I just hope justice is served and public opinion doesn't sway or prevent that. If the witness was being truthful, the officer clearly committed murder. But if not, I hope the guy's life isn't ruined. If the guy really was attacked, he had the right to defend himself. And if there was some middle ground, I hope it is addressed properly.
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