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#1 Posted by Levio (1782 posts) -

Youtube comments have always been awful. But starting today, they are a new kind of awful.

Gone are the anti-Justin Beiber trolls and the spam about MILFs making $8k a week from home; from now on, the Youtube comments shown will be those with the highest scores based on upvotes and downvotes.

Anyone who has visited the Reddit mainpage can tell you this leads to bandwagon-ing like you've never seen anywhere else. All the favorite topics of wussy middle school students and dimwitted college students naturally rise to the top, with such classics as: rants about Christianity, kittens doing nothing of interest, feel-good stories that are blatantly fake, and screaming at no one in particular to legalize marijuana.

But I don't want to be overly pessimistic, and considering the previous state of the comments section, it couldn't really get much worse. So what do you think guys? Is it better or worse than before?

#2 Posted by FunkasaurasRex (847 posts) -

In this world nothing can be said to be certain, except death, taxes and shit YouTube comments.

#3 Posted by Krullban (1021 posts) -

Reddit comments are annoying. If there is a bandwagon of sorts going, if you go against it. Even with posting facts you'll get downvoted into oblivion.

#4 Posted by Marokai (2785 posts) -

After years of shitty and unnecessary updates to YouTube, introducing threaded comments is probably the best update they've made since they first introduced the larger version of the video player.

#5 Posted by PufferFiz (1375 posts) -

It sucks

#6 Edited by EveretteScott (1439 posts) -

@topic: Poop

#7 Edited by Seedofpower (3924 posts) -

Only problem I have with it is, you can't time stamp in comments. I think they might fix this at some points but right now its kinda annouying. Granted, all I do on youtube is listen to music, so I'm probably a minority.

#8 Edited by Zeik (2187 posts) -

I don't visit reddit, but this doesn't sound that much different than how the comments worked before. They already had that system where the comments with the highest ratings got placed at the top. It doesn't really sound any more or less shitty than before.

#9 Edited by Splodge (1027 posts) -

U guys shld all shut up coz u r gay. ps3 is for fags.

Ill miss that.

#10 Posted by 49th (2666 posts) -

It's terrible. Even worse is how they force you to sign up to Google+ just to comment. I now have about 5 Google+ pages after constantly trying to delete or disconnect the accounts, and I have no idea which are which or how to remove them properly without deleting my email or youtube.

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#11 Posted by FlipperDesert (2081 posts) -

@49th said:

It's terrible. Even worse is how they force you to sign up to Google+ just to comment. I now have about 5 Google+ pages after constantly trying to delete or disconnect the accounts, and I have no idea which are which or how to remove them properly without deleting my email or youtube.

Oh! That's why I couldn't comment? I was so fucking confused. I guess that's a good way for them to force people to use Google Plus though, in an awful businessman sort of way.

#12 Edited by EXTomar (4442 posts) -

There are two things that are going on with Youtube's new system:

- Automatic filtering. Anyone you follow or know is automatically pushed to the top/front.

- Up/Down promotion. The "reddit style" system is not just or fair but it does help with moderating to the consensus. That means a channel devoted to Halo will probably upvote positive comments about the game while shunning the negative ones where it doesn't matter how truthful or accurate either are.

I'll take any moderation system over what it was before. This system will help focus down comments to themes and ideas that align with the channel but the downside is they will become "echo chambers".

#13 Posted by crusader8463 (14411 posts) -

There's a section below the videos? I was not aware of this.

#14 Edited by Humanity (8708 posts) -

No matter the system, any time you start reading YouTube comments you've already lost.

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#15 Edited by Random45 (995 posts) -

The new Youtube changes have really been grinding on my nerves a lot lately, the worst is how EVERY. SINGLE. TIME. you comment on a video, it asks you if you want to use your real name instead of your Youtube username. NO! NO NO NO NO NO!!! STOP FUCKING ASKING!

#16 Posted by Abendlaender (2730 posts) -

Solution: Don't read comments on Youtube

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#17 Edited by Akyho (1584 posts) -
@krullban said:

Reddit comments are annoying. If there is a bandwagon of sorts going, if you go against it. Even with posting facts you'll get downvoted into oblivion.

This happened with Youtube already, you would have gotten "This comment has received too many negative votes." or "this comment has been marked as spam." I had it happen to me for agreeing to the video I was on and then having someone pick a fight with me even thou I said what he said.

Youtube gets worse as time goes by.

@random45 said:

The new Youtube changes have really been grinding on my nerves a lot lately, the worst is how EVERY. SINGLE. TIME. you comment on a video, it asks you if you want to use your real name instead of your Youtube username. NO! NO NO NO NO NO!!! STOP FUCKING ASKING!

If you say yes....then you lose the reply button. Instead you have to a similar thing to calling out someone on GB. So here I go @random45. That fine your not part of this thread I want your attention.
What Youtube does is make you callout google plus accounts. So to reply YOU CANNOT hit reply (like here) instead its +Random45.

IF you ever get stuck with google plus...this i how you reply....

Also you can call out random people. The dude Guru Larry I was going to say thanks. Instead while typing in +Larry I saw Larry Hryb....so I called him out for the hell of it. JUST LIKE TWITTER!!!

#18 Posted by EXTomar (4442 posts) -

I am a big fan of disabling comments. Especially for videos, if they have something important to say about a video, make a video response.

#19 Posted by Random45 (995 posts) -

Wow, I didn't notice the changes to comments! You actually NEED to have a google+ account to comment now? That is so ridiculously dumb. Next step is that they're just going to lock it until you make a Google+ account. Google just needs to stop trying, they're not going to topple Facebook.

#20 Posted by Itwongo (1097 posts) -

Indifferent.

#21 Posted by connerthekewlkid (1796 posts) -

Look at this YouTube comment my gf made for me on my cakeday, nailed it?

#22 Edited by rangers517 (141 posts) -

Because of people like Patrick that are always complaining about internet comments and trying to censor them, it's just going to make it more difficult for everyone to leave comments and have discussions.

#23 Posted by Zeik (2187 posts) -

Because of people like Patrick that are always complaining about internet comments and trying to censor them, it's just going to make it more difficult for everyone to leave comments and have discussions.

Youtube never has been and never will be a place to have a "discussion".

#24 Posted by BaneFireLord (2906 posts) -

Oh fantastic. The new comments system circumvents my comment blocking extension. Now I've gotta find another one.

#25 Posted by Vuud (1943 posts) -

Still a better love story than twilight.

sorry.

#26 Posted by davidwitten22 (1708 posts) -

I guess I'd rather see the top rated comments as chosen by idiots instead of only seeing two dudes argue with each other over a "What Does the Fox Say" video.

#27 Edited by jerseyscum (861 posts) -

@splodge said:

U guys shld all shut up coz u r gay. ps3 is for fags.

Ill miss that.

I'd rather have that than a bullshit karma/upvote system. Thankfully Giant Bomb hasn't stooped to one.

Sometimes, people need to be trolled. There. I said it.

#28 Edited by bigjeffrey (4699 posts) -

Youtube comments are terrible. I Also i hide them with that youtube thing for chrome.

#29 Posted by Capum15 (4789 posts) -

Whelp, I'm too lazy to make a Google+ account so I'm just going to forget about the comments now I suppose.

Also it's full of people 1: Cursing the new thing, 2: Writing "Wanna see what's wrong with the comments?" a thousand times, and 3: ASCII dicks.

So basically the exact same except now there's more space.

#30 Posted by AMonkey (116 posts) -

Its amazing how Google manages to make Youtube worse over the years. Recently they removed the grid subscription box and now these comment changes.

I used to love Google but I now find myself thinking about using other services.

#31 Posted by Zero_ (1973 posts) -

Not sure how the ranked system will go, but +yes to the Google+ integration. The internet needs less anonymity to make people more accountable for the bullshit.

#32 Posted by Bocam (3665 posts) -

@zero_ said:

Not sure how the ranked system will go, but +yes to the Google+ integration. The internet needs less anonymity to make people more accountable for the bullshit.

Says the person not using his real name on a message board about video games

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#33 Posted by csl316 (7951 posts) -

I wasn't able to type comments on a Youtube video today. Don't know why, some technical thing.

And I realized I was missing out on nothing.

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#34 Edited by jerseyscum (861 posts) -
@zero_ said:

Not sure how the ranked system will go, but +yes to the Google+ integration. The internet needs less anonymity to make people more accountable for the bullshit.

NO. NO. NO. NO. NO. NO. NO. STOP.

Tell that to Russian LGBT/anti-Putin activists, Saudi feminists or Chinese dissidents.

#35 Posted by ripelivejam (3453 posts) -
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#37 Posted by JoeyRavn (4945 posts) -

@krullban said:

Reddit comments are annoying. If there is a bandwagon of sorts going, if you go against it. Even with posting facts you'll get downvoted into oblivion.

While I do agree with you, I only do so partially. It really depends on the subreddit you're browsing. I've had very interesting conversations with people in forums like /r/DCComics or /r/BaldrursGate. And /r/PCMasterRace, of course.

At least it's not Tumblr. Have you seen those Social Justice Warriors and HAES-supporters? They are the worst.

#38 Posted by joshwent (2041 posts) -

The only time I ever even glance at the comments is to make sure there isn't a random jump scare at the end of whatever "Top 10 weirdest video game ____" video I'm watching. 'Cause that shit happens a lot.

#39 Posted by Olu (95 posts) -

Well, Reddit upvote system is a shitty way to destroy any balanced discussion, but it's not like there was any in the first place, so i don't care.

#40 Posted by Flappy (2107 posts) -

As a person that can enjoy the occasional Youtube comment (Mowtendoo does weird things to a person's mind), this bums me out.

#41 Posted by Juzie (167 posts) -

You can sort comments by top rated or by newest. So it's the same as before but with a new option. I don't see the problem.

#42 Edited by BaconGames (3280 posts) -

It was all a nightmare anyway. I'll be open to throwing on any change into the comments system to see if it might help. Doesn't compare to actually ruining a thing people liked like Twitter.

#43 Edited by Brodehouse (9515 posts) -

@thedudeofgaming: THEY DO USE THE INTERNET!

You just watched nations undergo revolutions and their main method of moving information was the Internet. You can watch tyrannical government obsess over how their people are using the Internet, who they are talking to, what they are talking about. Pakistan and Turkey attempt to shut down national access to Internet, but you're going to try to pretend the Internet is just for first world problems?

For millions the Internet is the only avenue or communication method for them to connect to people who actually care about their lives. Yes, anonymity matters, and as soon as they make services that forgo anonymity, there will be superior services created for all those who prefer to be anonymous. I'm perplexed that we've reached a point where we've pushed back the right to privacy in favor of giving everyone access to data they can use to harass and abuse.

#44 Posted by AMyggen (2449 posts) -

Because of people like Patrick that are always complaining about internet comments and trying to censor them, it's just going to make it more difficult for everyone to leave comments and have discussions.

When did Patrick ever say he wanted to "censor" comments? Criticising the content of some comments isn't the same as wanting to have them removed. The "censorship" word gets thrown around way too much these days on the internet.

#45 Posted by WinterSnowblind (7613 posts) -

@joeyravn said:

@krullban said:

Reddit comments are annoying. If there is a bandwagon of sorts going, if you go against it. Even with posting facts you'll get downvoted into oblivion.

While I do agree with you, I only do so partially. It really depends on the subreddit you're browsing. I've had very interesting conversations with people in forums like /r/DCComics or /r/BaldrursGate. And /r/PCMasterRace, of course.

At least it's not Tumblr. Have you seen those Social Justice Warriors and HAES-supporters? They are the worst.

Tumblr is a blogging website, you can post whatever you want to your blog and reply to whoever you want. You don't have to agree with everyone, but no one is going to censor you. The problem with Reddit is that downvotes will lead to your comments becoming invisible and most subreddits just become a hive mind, where anyone disagreeing with the majority being downvoted and driven away. There's absolutely no room for reasoned criticism or discussion. I'll take social justice and equality protestors over circle jerking and bandwagoning.

#46 Edited by falserelic (5270 posts) -

The system is fucked.

#47 Edited by ZolRoyce (621 posts) -

Looks like they changed some things for the better and some things for the worse, soooo a resounding shoulder shrug, face scrunch, palms up "Ehhhhhhh?" To be fair, YouTube already had the upvote/downvote/mark as spam thing going for it, and the majority of videos I would only tend to read the 'top comments' and whatever was on the first page of comments if there was interesting/funny comments and then move the hell on sooooo this isn't really going to change much for me.

#48 Posted by Splodge (1027 posts) -

@joeyravn said:

@krullban said:

Reddit comments are annoying. If there is a bandwagon of sorts going, if you go against it. Even with posting facts you'll get downvoted into oblivion.

While I do agree with you, I only do so partially. It really depends on the subreddit you're browsing. I've had very interesting conversations with people in forums like /r/DCComics or /r/BaldrursGate. And /r/PCMasterRace, of course.

At least it's not Tumblr. Have you seen those Social Justice Warriors and HAES-supporters? They are the worst.

Tumblr is a blogging website, you can post whatever you want to your blog and reply to whoever you want. You don't have to agree with everyone, but no one is going to censor you. The problem with Reddit is that downvotes will lead to your comments becoming invisible and most subreddits just become a hive mind, where anyone disagreeing with the majority being downvoted and driven away. There's absolutely no room for reasoned criticism or discussion. I'll take social justice and equality protestors over circle jerking and bandwagoning.

I think we browse very different subreddits.

#49 Posted by ryanwhom (290 posts) -

People with the most time are going to get their comments seen the most. But youtube could put some pretty easy safeguards in place in the background like giving less precedent to up and down votes for accounts created in the last 30 days or accounts only ever used for voting.

#50 Posted by ArtisanBreads (3716 posts) -

They always gotta go fucking with things. Things like Youtube comments that are almost always awful but occasionally good enough that we should've just left them.