Nintendo Fanboy Freakout

Topic started by InFamous91 on July 2, 2009. Last post by InFamous91 4 months, 3 weeks ago.
Post by GWX (4 posts) See mini bio

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I am also a Gonintendo user.
But...
Let me explain somthing to all of you.

HVS certainly has not maxed out the Wii in any sense with this FIRST go called The Conduit.
The Wii can do better visuals than the Conduit delivered. Check.
This is High Voltage first go at it. Check.
They have already said they have improved the engine tech. Check.
Talks about improved online system too. Check.
This is the best implemented 3rd party online system and should set the standard with ease. Check.
My comment is not ALL about Wii visuals. Check.

It is more about the fact that once again this is HVS's first go with the game on the system.
They have done an impressive job on making a lot of things work that were deperately needed for THIS particular genre on the system.
Online(best Friend code system), Great visuals(but not the best, YET) but the best so far in THIS genre if I might say(see all the past good, ok AND shovelware efforts to see wat I mean)

They are already at work on other games that take advantage of what they have learned with their first foray, The Conduit.
Expect the next attempt to have better visuals engine, better online, better everything and possibly DLC for Wii. Wii Speak will be standard now with all their games as well.

Those who really want to say they expected somthing to [rival] halo or any other FPS on any console is LIEING to themsleves.
That cannot be what you really expected here. Plus this was done in what 1 year? (correct me if am wrong please) (Dont most AAA games take at least 2 years to properly develop? ) You expect all of that in 1 year on Wii when they are just getting started on making things work....having the engine and all the features...and the custimisable controls of what is arguable THE BEST control scheme ever for FPS on any console period?

This is what the Conduit was about delivering. Not all that other stuff some [might] have been looking for.
Honestly if you were looking for that (the halo comparisons and all the other FPS after FPS after FPS you have played before on other systems) you are looking in the wrong plave or just plain lieing to yourself. Why don't we compare it to other Wii FPS games? hm?)

This is the Wii...it is about immersive controls and this game was bout making a definitive FPS for the Wii with online Wii Speak and great visuals(and yet again I remind you they did not reach the top here with the conduit for sure). Generic setting/layour/linear path what have you..well yeah...what did you really expect from this?

This game IMHO from what I have seen and reviews etc does exactly what it was suppose to do..it HAS raised the bar to a new stadard, from the seemingly cynical attitude devs have had with Wii in the past. Not utilising its strengths and not making Wii  specific shooters. Only nasty ports and OK "drop its". Yeah I made that up. But I think you get the point.

This is the proving ground and then HVS should take it even further from here on out...and hopefully it sells well enough to warrant a sequel and also opens the eyes of the other devs and there cynical attitudes. Raise that bar so to speak!

That my friends is what the Conduit is all about..you want somthing else..don't play it if you don't want to..it is basically a throw back to classic shooters generic linear and all but with pretty nice visuals a great online system with Wii speak customisable controls and all on the Wii...go play Halo, Gears, Resistance Fall of Man and w/e else the hell there is...PC....if you want all that great huge set piece and cut scene stuff ll day long.

Otherwise this is the now standard definitive FPS on Wii and I will be damned If I don't enjoy this...when it hits the UK(July 10th). Already on preorder!

Yesh I don't have the game yet but ever since it was being hyped to now it has been released(well in the states) and being reviewed I have always  envisioned exactly what it was all about. I have  had no crazy expecatations(expecting it to rival PS3 360 shooters -well except the Wii controls) and from all the reviews and videos and what not it tunred out to be exactly what I thought it would be.

So am cool with that. I don't see why everyone is seemingly getting into a war over it. Leave that for the games !
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Post by Mikemcn (1,661 posts) See mini bio
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@ArbitraryWater said:
"Jeff first got on the wrong side of the Nintendo Fanboys with his 8.8 review of Twilight Princess, and he got a lot of shit for giving that game a score under a 9. But this piece of apologist fail is perhaps the most amazingly irrational and blind thing I have seen for a long while. "

They complained about an 8.8, wow, im ashamed of my wii now, but i will defend Jeff to the Death, even if he was wrong in his review (Which i dont think he was)

He seems like a good enough person to let that go


Post by JeffGoldblum (1,518 posts) See mini bio
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I cant believe someone commented that Jeff must have only played an hour of the game because the review was so short.


Post by super_machine (952 posts) See mini bio
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This doesnt surprise me. The wii is such a mediocre game system with just a handful of great games. Being a huge nintendo fan for years, I've totally lost interest in this system. How people can still blindly support mediocre games that come out on this system is beyond me.


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@trophyhunter said:
" I thought wii only owners were use to having shitty games "
BAM


Post by super_machine (952 posts) See mini bio
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This post on that nintendo blog cracks me up. I hope this guy was being sarcastic, lol.

"Fail occurs only 30 seconds into the vid. It's pretty much established that The Conduit is the best FPS you'll see across all three systems, period. Until you can stick a single player campaign onto Team Fortress 2 and give it Wii remote aiming, the Conduit will remain this generation's best shooter hands down. "



Post by JeffGoldblum (1,518 posts) See mini bio
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GoNintendo just posted a link to this thread on their blog. I really hope this dosent go the same way the GamesRadar incident did.


Post by GWX (4 posts) See mini bio

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oh as for Jeff's review...that did not bother me at all.
He didn't find it fun. On a clinical level it was cool, ok some things about it made him just not find it fun overall. That is his opinion and hey we all have one.

Nevermind all the opinions. When it is all said and done this game it is the PROVING GROUND game folks.
That is what WE will all have to accept.
The main course so to speak is STILL to come but the appetiser is not exactly a slouch(IMHO) it does somthing very significant and important for the Wii console.

My hope now is SALES, to warrant a sequel and I dare say a franchise. There is still more to come from HVS.(High Voltage software)
I personally am looking forward to picking up my copy when the game reaches the UK July 10 and seeing many online. heh.
Am sure I will enjoy it because I have been waiting.

Then months down the road enter 2010 and we shall see if HVS can deliver on the promise that the conduit represents.
The potential is there whatever the opinions of The Conduit it is a good start.


Post by TheFreeMan (703 posts) See mini bio
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A pretty fair amount of people in the comments section actually agree/are defending Jeff.


Post by Steve_C (685 posts) See mini bio
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@GWX: So you're saying the game should get a pass because it's the developer's first game. A shit game remains to be shit regardless of the potential the developer has, though this game doesn't fall into the 'shit' category. It's not lke Haze became great because Free Radical made Timesplitters.

The only handicap the wii has is in it's power and technical ablity to process high-end graphics and things such as physics. Story, art style, level design are largely independent of that. Think of how awesome No More Heroes is, and that's on a low budget. It has so much character. If you're going to charge £30/40 for your game, then it's going toe-to-toe with whatever other games i can buy for the same amount.


Post by GWX (4 posts) See mini bio

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@super_machine:
Anyone who says things like this about the Conduit is being a total ass. (I am from gonintendo too let me remind you again)


Post by AgentJ (6,532 posts) See mini bio
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You do realize that the only people still talking about this situation are the people who think Jeff is right? Most of the people who disagree have moved on, so this situation is pointless


Post by lemon360 (774 posts) See mini bio
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the conduit is a nintendification of halo for the wii. in other words its garbage.


Post by Scooper (3,053 posts) See mini bio
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The Wii is a joke

  



Post by Linkyshinks (6,843 posts) See mini bio

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@TheFreeMan said:
" A pretty fair amount of people in the comments section actually agree/are defending Jeff. "

Many happen to be Giant Bomb members too.

...and rightfully so for the most part. I think there could have been a touch more emphasis on the few positives the game has, like the high degree of customization in controls, in both the video and written review. But then that may have lessened the effect of certain criticisms he makes.

Ultimately, the bulk of the review was all in order, and the score itself was perfectly justified.





Post by FlipperDesert (758 posts) See mini bio
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I love how they get so offended with this review when the whole tone of it is, "I'm respecting you enough to not say this game is good for a Wii game and insult your platform, this game is simply not special if you have another console."

From what I've seen of the game I'd have been much, much more harsh.


Post by GWX (4 posts) See mini bio

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@Steve_C:
Hey steve that is NOT what I am saying. I am saying it IS a pass(IMHO). If people wanted more and it The Conduit did not deliver that well that is that I guess.
If they think it is shit they can call it that. That is there opinion. I can't change that. I can't tell them what to think.
So yeah.
By the way just so you know I am not against Jeff's review and I don't think I can be regardless with wether or not  I agree or disagree with his overall opinion. That review that he did was great though I thought.

So yeah. I have no issue with;  if people think the Conduit is a pile of crap then that's what they feel. I don't but hey...
That's just the way it is.
Personally I can say at least it's not the absolute crap we are accustomed to being DUMPED on the Wii. I can say that much.

OK I understand what you are saying that if your going to pay that money it should deliver to your expectations of whatever others games deliver, well OK. That's how you feel. Get it when it's budget? XD
 But seriously I understand and it's cool.

I will enjoy The Conduit most definetly.Maybe it won't be everyon's cup of tea and that's fine. But for sure many people are enjoying it right now and do appreciate it.
:)


Post by Ineedaname (1,901 posts) See mini bio
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@JeffGoldblum: What Gamesradar incident?
I've never been a proper part of a gaming community as such more a lurker so I miss alot.

And it's his review, if he doesn't like the game, he doesn't like the game, if you do like well you do...I fail to see why people are up in arms about it.


Post by lilarchie232 (353 posts) See mini bio

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@End_Boss said:
" Jeff Gerstmann is controversial again. "
I believe you mean, "Jeff Gertsmann is still a threat.... to fanboys."


Post by Riesezzz (12 posts) See mini bio

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All this over a TRASH game like the conduit?? sad


Post by JJOR64 (6,035 posts) See mini bio
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Lmfao.  GoNintendo made an article about this discussion.

http://gonintendo.com/viewstory.php?id=88085


Post by super_machine (952 posts) See mini bio
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@JJOR64 said:
" Lmfao.  GoNintendo made an article about this discussion.

http://gonintendo.com/viewstory.php?id=88085 "
LOL, this is something I've never seen. All this over an average FPS the likes that only would have impressed me five years ago.


Post by gormers (159 posts) See mini bio
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@Black_Rose said:
" So? We should we pay attention to that?
+1


Post by c1337us (2,570 posts) See mini bio

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Their fanboys, what else is to be expected.


Post by celljean (4 posts) See mini bio
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Those nintendo fanboys are funny


Post by The_A_Drain (3,216 posts) See mini bio
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People are idiots, especially nintendo fanboys. They are the absolute fucking worst in my experience. I'm a huge Nintendo fan btw, so i'm not just ragging on Nintendo here (hey, somebody's bound to say something like that)

The absolute whirlwind of rage that surrounded the 8.8 fiasco was utterly utterly the worst thing i've ever seen from videogame fans. More offensive than the PS3 Devil May Cry petition, stupider than anything else we've seen. And it was a fucking generous score in my opinion.

Now, I don't know about these fanboy freaks, but as poor as I am, I can afford more than one console each generation (although not all of them right away) and you just dont play FPS games on the Wii, i'm sorry, but you don't, it's like handicapping yourself, unless your a total retard why would you do that to yourself?! And honestly, the first Wii exclusive FPS was going to be made an example of in this fashion. You just do not do FPS games for the Wii. The control system might 'work' as in, you can play the game if you concentrate hard enough, but for anyone with access to more than one console you drop that shit like a stone and play an FPS on another console. And anyone who thinks points like that should be avoided when reviewing games is a moron, if you want to justify your purchasing decision by gleefully accepting a handicap, fine, but that's your decision.

And this isn't just Wii bashing, I mean, take strategy games for example, I don't care how good you thought Supcom or CnC 3 were, you just dont do them on consoles. No way no how. The controls might be adequate, much like The Conduit, but the answer is still no, you leave it on PC.

It's not Jeffs fault that the most popular genre of the modern age is handicapped on the Wii. It just is. Maybe if they had let him play it with a gamecube controller? (Scratch that if you can indeed do that) Also, from what I hear the story and voice acting are fucking dire, that can't have helped. And the gameplay sounds pretty average, that also can't have done the game any favors.

Edit: At GWX, didn't you say you hadn't even played the game yet? If so, STFU defending it. I'm a novice developer, and if the first game I put out was a piece of shit i'd feel even worse if someone was defending me on a forum, if they put out a pile of shit then they should be ashamed (or not care, and laughing at the money rolling in if the game is selling well) and up their effort for their next title. First game or not, it gets reviewed the same way a reviewer would look at any game, it would hardly be fair to sugarcoat your opinion because it's babies first game. That's complete bullshit, it's unfair on the people reading the review, and it's unfair on the developer who then thinks they've done a good job. You have to be brutally honest about how you feel when writing a review, it's just an opinion after all theres no excuse for people getting so up in arms about it. I know you aren't, but your taking leaps and strides to defend a game you havn't even played because it supposedly set 'standards for the genre', standards which are only lacking on the Wii. That doesn't make it good, it makes it late to the party at best.


Post by iAmJohn (1,457 posts) See mini bio
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There is a reason why GoNintendo is blacklisted on NeoGAF.  This is it.

Actually it's because of their rumormongering, but this doesn't help matters.


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@JJOR64 said:
" Lmfao.  GoNintendo made an article about this discussion.

http://gonintendo.com/viewstory.php?id=88085 "

You just have to lol at some of the idiotic comments posted in respect to this.

It's sad, really sad how some are whining over some generic **** drivel, which has only one redeeming feature in my eyes - the degree of it's customization in the controls. Everything else is laughably weak by today's standards in the genre. Have these fellow Nintendo fans not experienced recent games in the FPS genre?, because I really do wonder. 

The genre is a hot bed of new ideas right now, new exciting ideas which have worked well for the most part, that's because there's so much competition between developers currently. Some of these GoNintendo members seem totally oblivious, It has fuck all to do with the lack of HD graphics!, yet they still think our opinions are swayed by such a trivial things. : /

As a Wii owner, I would quite frankly prefer to experience the innovation I see on my 360, PS3 and PC in the FPS genre. Why on earth do I want to play a Wii game that looks and plays notably weaker and offers next to nothing that's new. Give me Half-Life over this crap any day. 

What's wrong here is HVS approach, not creating a FPS on Wii, but attempting to feebly mimic certain graphical effects we see commonly elsewhere. It's nonsensical. I personally don''t give a Bonobo  **** about graphics!, If HVS had put forward something akin to TimeSplitters I would jump at such a game without a seconds thought, because that's the mold they should be working from. Creating a core of great playability, and then building everything else around that. only after the gameplay mechanics are fine tuned.  HVS instead created an engine first and tried to showcase it with little application of thought to core gameplay and making the game seem fresh and new.

HVS really concern me, I have very little faith in them. The Conduit has fundamental flaws, and that was obvious to me from the very start!. I have been posting news stories on the game for a long while now, as some you will know, and I have consistently said there is no fucking way In hell will be buying this game. How do I come to such a conclusion having never played it?, well it's art is so bad I feel like I could vomit over my LCD tv if I ever put them game back in my Wii again/. It  pains me when I see such low quality and ill conception in this generation, it actually makes me very angry. 

HVS have a terrible art team, the standard of art in their games is truly laughable. Their recent fighter is a lovely example, you know, the one with a woman who has moves ripped out of a Kung Fu movie, lol...What would the Roman's think. That game looks liike another shocker..  If your going to make games on Wii, the quality of art is of paramount  importance, HVS fail miserably in both these games [ . ]

It's funny, because beforehand I really wanted the game to do well, but I have come to realize that I certainly don't want HVS to be flooding the console I love with games of this standard, even if their intentions are good and commendable, 

Sack the heart of the art team, sign up some young people with fresh ideas to harness, because what your showing me now as a mature Wii owner does not interest me in the fucking slightest. 

They seem so oblivious to what really needs to be done on Wii, or alternatively, they are controlled way too much by their paymasters in respect to what projects get the go ahead and how they are constraucted as a result. It could be said the reason why the Conuit looks so generic is because it aims to appeal to the widest audience possible. I 


The one sole cool game I have seen form them is Animales, that's the only one game of theirs that appeals to me.

As far as Go Nintendo are concerned, the fact someone has linked to this thread. speaks volumes. I will say very little on the matter - there are indeed some nice people there and I happily apply due respect, but boy are there some fucking sad and idiotic ones also. Such members give a terrible impression of loyal Nintendo fans. 



It's one person sole opinion, which has been backed up for the most part by the opinions of many others, get the fuck over it. Why should it concern you what one person thinks about the game, you say you like. If you find playing the game to be a good experience, good for you, disregard the opinion and move the fuck on.







Post by trophyhunter (1,663 posts) See mini bio
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@EpicSteve said:
" @trophyhunter said:
" I thought wii only owners were use to having shitty games "
BAM
"
high five


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I'm not one to usually comment concerning other sites, but these messages on the GoNintendo forum made me smile...and if you are a Giant Bomber who wrote this over there, shame on you!

totiredtothink@GoNintendo wrote: This guy and other so called hardcore never pick up a wii controller so their muscles are like a girly man. Wii Fit is the only game need to use because they would die from exhausation if they had to walk a mile.

coffeewithchess@GoNintendo wrote: I think that every reviewer for the game should HAVE to post a picture of their final game time on with DEATH COUNT for the single player.

But, in the end everyone has a right to their own opinion.  If these fans of the Conduit are so easily brought to rage at Jeff's review of the game, then all they need to do is check the web for some other review that they approve of and makes them feel good about themselves again.