Offended at being told I will go to hell.

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You know, it's not an unpopular stance to take that Hell is a term for the concept of being without God's presence.

For a person of faith, that could be interpreted as their inability to move past some spiritual quandary gained in life that does not allow you to accept God's love/redemption/transcendence or however you wish to call it.

For a person without faith, you merely hold that there is no God so being without his presence isn't a problem. If you are satisfied with that, then good for you. If there is no 'greater truth' then you can die content with being yourself.

There isn't even a problem for your atheist if it turns out that there was some greater existence past your normal span of years. If you are satisfied being atheistic, then you could persist in existing in your self-satisfaction (that last not used insultingly, you could be content with yourself). If it turns out there is something to experience after mortality and atheism is not sufficient any more, I hear God has infinite love and infinite patience and loves to throw a party.

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I don't take offense when people tell me fairy tales, why do you?

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@animegreen:

look on the bright side: when you die if you're going to turn dust, you won't care anyway what people are blabbing about you... isn't it? :)

So get it out your system...

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Say you're going to hell and you're happy about it. You couldn't be more blissful to be set to join the embrace of Belial.

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I had some girl say "You're going to hell" to me once. She also said "I don't believe in ghosts I believe in Jesus." I started laughing really hard.

Another thing you can do though, is tell them their going to hell too. Just to get a reaction out of them.

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@NickM:
But if your only concern for their person is their mortal self, then you're being a bad Christian. A Christian's duty is to save the souls of mankind.

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oh and just a random thought, I totally agree with this thread http://www.giantbomb.com/forums/off-topic/31/so-i-read-the-bible-yesterday/250166/#117
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I pay no mind to those who tell me things like that.

Let them believe what they believe and I'll believe what I believe.

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@Sabata said:

" @Arkthemaniac: Sort of agree with you there, although a side mission for some religions is also to prove other religions wrong. But that's neither here nor there. Point is, both Atheism and Religion deal in absolutes (there absolutly IS a god, there absolutely ISN'T a god) and absolutes, religious or not, are usually really dumb. That is why I am agnostic; I don't know and neither do you. "

THIS.

Atheists can say: God doesn't exist because of *BLAM BLAM BLAM* and Christians can say he does because *BIBLE COPYPASTE INSERT REASON*.

The fact has always been, and will remain, that no one can say absolutely whether any kind of Hell exists or not until they die, and at that stage they'll either be in Heaven saying "I told ya so", In hell saying "point taken" or dead, saying shit-all. So what's the point in arguing!?

In response to OP, you have every right to be offended if a Christian tells you to go to hell, because thats somebody using their beliefs to combat you, and thats just dicky. Then again i've always thought Atheism is a kinda lame too, because it does all the same things, except they act like an asshole about it.

In conclusion, people have different beliefs.

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@Tebbit: That's not entirely true. Some atheists, such as myself say "Even if there was a verifiable God, I would refuse to acknowledge his authority". Just like Anarchists don't necessarily disbelieve the existence of governments, atheists don't necessarily disbelieve the existence of Gods; some of just deny their legitimacy and dominion.

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Not all Christians believe in hell. Especially when the bible says there isn't one.

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@Suicrat said:

" @Tebbit: That's not entirely true. Some atheists, such as myself say "Even if there was a verifiable God, I would refuse to acknowledge his authority". Just like Anarchists don't necessarily disbelieve the existence of governments, atheists don't necessarily disbelieve the existence of Gods; some of just deny their legitimacy and dominion. "

I see!

I'd be down with that.

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I suggest you ignore those people and look for the truth yourself, because if they wanted to "guide" you to the right path, then that is not the way to do it.

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Do you honestly get random people come to you telling you you'll go to hell, or are you simply being provocative around religious groups yourself, putting down their beliefs at every chance, say if they happen to talk about church or something else, like you've done with this very thread? If both are true, stop it. If only the latter is true, stop it. If only the former is true, tell them to GTFO.

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But you have aa religion: Atheism.

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@Suicrat said:

" @NickM:But if your only concern for their person is their mortal self, then you're being a bad Christian. A Christian's duty is to save the souls of mankind. "

Do you even understand what you're saying? Because I don't. Mortal self? Where did you pull that out from? Ah, whatever I don't really give a damn regardless.

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@NickM: I pulled it out from Christianity.

Christianity is a way of living that is concerned more with the afterlife than with life itself. If you have no concern for the immortal souls of your fellow human beings, and your only concern for them is their quality of life on this earth, then you're not doing your job.

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@Suicrat said: Are you saying that if I want to be a good christian I should run around like a crazy and condemn atheists and people of other religion to hell? Because I don't think that that makes you a good christian, let alone person.

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@NickM said:

" @Suicrat said: Are you saying that if I want to be a good christian I should run around like a crazy and condemn atheists and people of other religion to hell? Because I don't think that that makes you a good christian, let alone person. "

NO NO NO!!! I dont think he was trying to say that. I think he was trying to say that the BIBLE says that is what christians should do.. Im glad you made the right choice though.

@Fallen189 said:

" But you have aa religion: Atheism. "

You join a religion. It is impossible to be born believing in god, Zeus, Flying spaghetti monster, or Allah.

In fact every living person is born an atheist... would you say a infant is a member of a religion? No..

So how is the absence of faith a religion...

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@NickM: I'm saying as a Christian your primary concern should be to find the best possible way of getting as many people to heaven as possible. That involves getting people to 1) Accept Jesus as their lord and savior, (2) Admit they are sinners, (3) Confess their sins and atone, so that they will be allowed into heaven. For some Christians, that involves telling atheists that they're going to hell, for others it involves trying to get alcoholics and drug addicts to replace their addiction to substances with an addiction to Christ; for yet others it involves going on "missions" to the "godless" parts of the world, and attempting to teach them the ways of Christ and get them to devote their own lives to the prospect of heaven.

If you do anything less than that then what's the point of being a Christian, unless you're not really a Christian, and you just tell people you're not, so as not to offend your family, neighbours, et cetera.

If you're being a Christian who's just "living his/her life", and not devoting your life to the post-mortal salvation of mankind then you're going to hell too.

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@animegreen said:

" @NickM said:
" @Suicrat said: Are you saying that if I want to be a good christian I should run around like a crazy and condemn atheists and people of other religion to hell? Because I don't think that that makes you a good christian, let alone person. "
NO NO NO!!! I dont think he was trying to say that. I think he was trying to say that the BIBLE says that is what christians should do.. Im glad you made the right choice though.

@Fallen189 said:
" But you have aa religion: Atheism. "
You join a religion. It is impossible to be born believing in god, Zeus, Flying spaghetti monster, or Allah. In fact every living person is born an atheist... would you say a infant is a member of a religion? No..So how is the absence of faith a religion... "

I would say everyone is born agnostic. You still have to decide not to believe in religion!

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@Suicrat said:

" @NickM: I'm saying as a Christian your primary concern should be to find the best possible way of getting as many people to heaven as possible. That involves getting people to 1) Accept Jesus as their lord and savior, (2) Admit they are sinners, (3) Confess their sins and atone, so that they will be allowed into heaven. For some Christians, that involves telling atheists that they're going to hell, for others it involves trying to get alcoholics and drug addicts to replace their addiction to substances with an addiction to Christ; for yet others it involves going on "missions" to the "godless" parts of the world, and attempting to teach them the ways of Christ and get them to devote their own lives to the prospect of heaven.If you do anything less than that then what's the point of being a Christian, unless you're not really a Christian, and you just tell people you're not, so as not to offend your family, neighbours, et cetera.If you're being a Christian who's just "living his/her life", and not devoting your life to the post-mortal salvation of mankind then you're going to hell too. "

I forgot to mention that I'm not a Catholic or Mormon, or any other crappy pop version of christianity etc. I'm a Christian Old Believer, and we aren't really concerned with other peoples choices. Its a very strict religion and we pray for our own forgiveness. If a person decides to ask for forgiveness, good. If not, well, God will be his judge, we do not have the authority to condemn people to hell.

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Why do you care if we think you're going to hell?

That would be like someone who believes in Santa Clause telling me I'm getting coal in my stocking this year.

Oh yeah and some branches of Christianity think if you're a good person, you're going to heaven.

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@animegreen said:

" I am an atheist and I know that Christians think I am going to hell. I also am told that if I don't believe in god then I will go to hell. This is very offensive; because I am 100% sure hell doesn't exist and when I die I don't want people thinking i am going to hell. lol.My proof for knowing that hell doesn't exist is I am told that "it is a place your soul goes when you die".. but there is no soul. Because when you lose the Insular Cortex part of the brain you lose all consciousness... and when you die your brain dies. This also proves there is no heaven. (defined by: A place your soul goes for eternity that is with god.)How can you go to hell if you have no soul? When you die nothing happens. Doesn't sound that bad to me.Any proof for souls? Reply if you think their is a soul. P.S. I have no problem with religion; It is kind of entertaining. I just have a problem at being insulted and told I will go to hell when people try and prove to me god exists. P.P.S. Excuse my grammar and spelling English is my second language. "

In my experience you might get one or two vocal people standing around in a city centre preaching, other than that I don't see where exactly you are having these beliefs Forced upon you, unless you are seeking them out. If that is the case then its your own problem as you are the one looking to be offended.

You speak about having Christians think you are going to hell offending you and then carry on to state that there is no soul and that science has proven this as you would lose the functionality of your insular cortex.

Now aside from the irony of your statement being in the fact that you are offended by people expressing their beliefs in a public forum that offend you and your post doing exactly that. This also raises the interesting fact that your statement was not actually founded in any real Scientific method and that you are clearly parroting things that you have either learned badly or simply failed to understand.

Science has at no point Proven or Disproved the existence of God or the soul, there is no categorical proof of either their reality or their absence.

The very statement that Science has "proven" anything is in itself inaccurate. True scientific methods accept that everything is possible in order to make a measurement of PROBABILITY.

Now if you had said that you Believe that what Christians believe is in-fact incorrect as you find their beliefs implausible due to your own perception of reality and your idea of probability. Then and only then would your statement have been truly a comment worth making. However as it stands you simply Quoted ideas and doctrine, which you clearly have little true understanding of.

Interestingly you yourself are exactly guilty of making a personal judgement of a large group of people who hold a particular belief, you have condemned them as "offensive" and have sighted evidence that you do not fully understand but clearly trust as people you believe in have given it to you through books, word of mouth or other means.

I would ask you exactly how does this make you any different from the Christians you are Offended by?

Atheism is always an interesting and self deluded state of little more than a belief system that relies on not having a belief system.

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@Manatassi:
Once again, I feel the need to elucidate some of the basic nuances of atheism.

Atheism is not monochromatic, first of all, but I'm sure you already know that.

Second of all, a person doesn't need to be certain in their disbelief of the existence of God to be able to whole-mindedly reject the notion that other people's insistence on specific methods of personifying natural processes are a justifiable means of wielding political power

Thirdly, an atheist has the option of eventually being defiant to the God him/her/it/themself/ves. Even if a Christian could prove to me that the entity responsible for the entire universe came down and impregnated Mary, or came down and gave Moses the Ten Commandments, or came down and told Mohamed to propagate his truths, I would still have the option of asking "but where does the notion of worship and submission come in?"

Atheism isn't simply the certainty of godlessness (because as you said in your post, certainty to the extent we're describing is impossible), but the firm belief that just because a thing is responsible for my existence, doesn't mean I owe it my existence.

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