#1 Posted by DanielQC (5 posts) -

Hello everyone,

I want to buy a new PC since my current one is really way too outdated (about 7-8years) and it will be primarily for gaming (Ex: Diablo III, Guildwars 2, Battlefield 3, Skyrim). I want to be able to run most games in high graphics with no lag if possible and my computer to stay future-proof for at least a couple of years.

I'm thinking about buying this PC:

MotherBoard:ASUS Z87-A LGA1150 USB 3.0 SATA 6Gb/s
Processor:Intel Core i7 4770K 3.5Ghz @ 4.2GhzTurbo Boost 8Mb 22nm
Memory:Corsair 16Gb 2x8Gb DDR3-1600Mhz Dual Channel
Hard Drive:SSD 120Gb Sata 3 6Gb/s
Video Card:NVIDIA GeForce GTX 670 OC 2Gb GDDR5
Sound Card:7.1 HD
Power Supply:700W
Operating System:Windows Home
Case:NZXT Phantom 410

The warranty is good for 3 years (including all parts cost plus the worker cost).

This is the final price (including all the taxes and the building of the PC): 1813$

What do you think about it, it it too much for what the company is giving to me or not? Should I change some parts because they are not really trustworthy? Would you buy something else cheaper and have the about the same results performance talking?

Thanks in advance.

#2 Posted by Kidavenger (3510 posts) -

it's very good for gaming, but I think you are paying too much for it.

#3 Posted by JJWeatherman (14557 posts) -

it's very good for gaming, but I think you are paying too much for it.

Agreed. Not to say it's bad, but as is always the case, you can build something better for less money.

If it were me, I'd drop down to a cheaper i5 CPU, possibly even an Ivybridge (last gen) if you want to save further (you'd of course need a different mobo at that point). That'd give you more to spend on a new 700 series GPU (such as the 770) as opposed to that 670. And you're going to want a traditional hard drive to go alongside that SSD, as games these days can start to fill even a terabyte drive in a hurry. All of this probably shouldn't cost you any more than $1,300 if you build it yourself. $1,500 tops.

#4 Edited by Andorski (5190 posts) -

Paying way too much as it stands right now

If you want to lower the price, bump down your CPU to i5 and RAM to 8GB(and even lose the sound card unless you are an audiophile. Then use the money you saved to get the GTX 770. There is no real reason to get the GTX 670 at this point unless you find a really good deal on it.

Of course the best way to save money and get better hardware is to build it yourself. Is that an option for you?

#5 Posted by Pr1mus (3810 posts) -

What Andorski said, save a bit on the CPU and put that money towards a better GPU. You'll have a more balanced system that will perform better overall in games. Keep the 16GB RAM though imo.

#6 Edited by Vextroid (1358 posts) -

Like it has been mentioned bump that i7 down to an i5 4570K if the most intense thing you are doing on that PC is gaming.

Also what brand is the PSU? It just says 700W hopefully it's not some no name brand that was cheap because it claims 700W for such a price.

#7 Edited by DanielQC (5 posts) -
@kidavenger said:

it's very good for gaming, but I think you are paying too much for it.

Alright, I'll talk to my vendor about it if I can get a lower price for everything.

@jjweatherman said:

@kidavenger said:

it's very good for gaming, but I think you are paying too much for it.

Agreed. Not to say it's bad, but as is always the case, you can build something better for less money.

If it were me, I'd drop down to a cheaper i5 CPU, possibly even an Ivybridge (last gen) if you want to save further (you'd of course need a different mobo at that point). That'd give you more to spend on a new 700 series GPU (such as the 770) as opposed to that 670. And you're going to want a traditional hard drive to go alongside that SSD, as games these days can start to fill even a terabyte drive in a hurry. All of this probably shouldn't cost you any more than $1,300 if you build it yourself. $1,500 tops.

I've looked for lowering my CPU for an i5 instead of an i7 and if I do it, I can save over a hundred dollars. But it it really worth it to invest the money saved in a better graphic card than the 670? I've heard that the price of those GPU did already get lowered by about 50$; will they still loose value soon? Is there such a big difference of performance between the 670 and the 770/780 including the price/quality ratio? I will also get at least a 1TO hard drive to go along with my 120GB SSD.

@andorski said:

Paying way too much as it stands right now

If you want to lower the price, bump down your CPU to i5 and RAM to 8GB(and even lose the sound card unless you are an audiophile. Then use the money you saved to get the GTX 770. There is no real reason to get the GTX 670 at this point unless you find a really good deal on it.

Of course the best way to save money and get better hardware is to build it yourself. Is that an option for you?

I will probably not lower my RAM since it does save me about 25-30$ only for doing so. Is it a good deal to buy the GTX 670 for about 350$? Yes, I know I would save money by building the computer myself, but I have never done anything like that in the past and I have no skill in computer assembling at all, so I won't do it.

@pr1mus said:

What Andorski said, save a bit on the CPU and put that money towards a better GPU. You'll have a more balanced system that will perform better overall in games. Keep the 16GB RAM though imo.

Yes, I've decided to keep the 16GB Ram since it doesn't save me a lot of money.

@vextroid said:

Like it has been mentioned bump that i7 down to an i5 4570K if the most intense thing you are doing on that PC is gaming.

Also what brand is the PSU? It just says 700W hopefully it's not some no name brand that was cheap because it claims 700W for such a price.

Alright, everyone is saying to me to lower my CPU to an i5, so I will think about it since I've looked up and I could save hundreds. Yes, I am buying it for gaming, I'm not doing any type of programming or stuff like that. The PSU is a Thermaltake TR2-700W 80PLUS 120mm FAN (Forgot to mention it, it is listed at 90$ with no taxes, so about a hundred bucks with them).

Thanks for all your replies guys!

#8 Posted by JJWeatherman (14557 posts) -

@danielqc:

  1. Yes, the 770 would be a significant upgrade from the 670. The 770 is more or less on par with a 680, which is the next step up from the 670. A 770 should cost you ~$400, so if I were you, I'd go with it if you can. The GPU's the most vital component when it comes to gaming, so don't settle here.
  2. Whatever you do, make sure to abandon that Thermaltake TR2. It seems to be a terrible power supply that isn't stable or reliable. You don't want your entire system to be compromised because of a flaky power supply. Something from SeaSonic or Corsair would likely serve you a lot better. Take a look at this list for a general guide. You may notice the TR2 in the Tier 5 (AKA: "NOT RECOMMENDED") category.
#9 Edited by DanielQC (5 posts) -

@jjweatherman:

1. Alright, I've looked up at my seller website and found a NVIDIA Gigabyte GeForce GTX770 OC 2Gb GDDR5 256Bit PCI-E 3.0 GPU that I could buy for 425$ with no taxes included in the price. There is more details about the GPU:

  • WINDFORCE 3X 450W Cooling system
  • Powered by NVIDIA GeForce GTX 770 GPU
  • Integrated with 2GB GDDR5 memory, 256-bit memory interface
  • Features Dual-link DVI-I/ DVI-D / HDMI / DisplayPort
  • BASE:1137MHz / BOOST:1189 MHz
  • System power supply requirement: 600W

Would it be a good investment to buy this GPU for my gaming PC?

2. Alright, by what I've seen, it seems that my vendor only sells T4 and T5 power supplies agreeing to your linked website. So, I guess I'll look somewhere else to get a good one.

Thanks for your quick reply.

#10 Posted by JJWeatherman (14557 posts) -

@danielqc:

  1. Yes, it would be a great investment to buy that GPU.
  2. Yeah, definitely try to find something higher up on that list. You don't necessarily need a tier 1 option, but I'd say don't go any lower than what's on the tier 3 list.

No problem. Seems like you'll have an awesome PC soon. I hope everything works out.

#11 Edited by DanielQC (5 posts) -

I've made a new set-up for my PC, but I still can't manage to get around 1500-1600$ with the taxes. Here's what I've included this time:

MotherBoard:ASUS Z87-A LGA1150 USB 3.0 SATA 6Gb/s (170$)
Processor:Intel Core i5 4570 3.2Ghz @ 3.6Ghz Turbo Boost 6Mb 22nm Intel HD Graphics 4600 LGA1150(220$)
Memory:Corsair 16Gb 2x8Gb DDR3-1600Mhz Dual Channel (130$)
Hard Drive:SSD 120Gb Sata 3 6Gb/s (140$) + HD Seagate Barracuda 2Tb 2000Gb 7200RPM Sata 3 6Gb/s 64Mb (110$)
Video Card:GPU NVIDIA Gigabyte GeForce GTX770 OC 2Gb GDDR5 256Bit PCI-E 3.0 (425$)
Sound Card:Asus Xonar DS 7.1 PCI (55$)
Power Supply:700W (Still didn't decide which brand, but around 80$)
Cooling:

Corsair Cooling Hydro Series H60 High Performance (95$)

Operating System:Windows 7 Home (120$)
Case:

NZXT Phantom Blanc Crafted Series (150$)

So, with the taxes included, it would cost me around 1980$ which is a lot since I've lowered to an i5 processor instead of an i7 and saved up about 200$, but I did add a HD of 2TB which did cost me around 110$. Still, I just can't manage to reach the range of 1500-1600$. So, what do you guys think I could modify from that or simply remove from my chart to lower the cost of my PC?

Edit: Don't browse the links in the description because it will be not be in English.

#12 Posted by FunkasaurasRex (847 posts) -

@danielqc: Yo, building a PC is actually super simple. I'm a fucking moron and managed to do it.

#13 Edited by Kidavenger (3510 posts) -

If you are trying to meet a budget, you don't really need a soundcard, I'm not sure what is on that MB, but it's a decent one so it probably already has 7.1 onboard.

The Intel CPU model numbers that end with "k" are the ones that are designed for overclocking and the ones that most gamers go for, so you'd want to get the 4670k most likely, especially if you plan to go ahead with that cooler.

I think that cooler is a bit overboard, if you aren't building your own PC, you probably won't be doing any serious overclocking nor is it really going to be needed with that cpu, you could probably get away with the stock cooler or something in the $30 range.

If you are just using the PC for gaming, 8GB of RAM is enough and it probably will be for a very long time.

I wouldn't cut anything else unless you absolutely have to, it's exactly what most people want.

#14 Posted by DanielQC (5 posts) -

@kidavenger:

Alright, I've removed the sound card and lowered the cooling, it saves me about 150$. But, going to 8GB Ram instead of 16GB saves me up to about 20$, so I don't think I will change it. But thanks for your input, you've helped me.

#15 Edited by TheHBK (5463 posts) -

@funkasaurasrex: @danielqc I agree, every gamer should try it instead. And you actually get satisfaction knowing you were the one put some work into getting your gaming rig together, not just saving money.

I actually just put together a new PC set up, have all the parts at my house, just gotta put it together. Here is an example of how you can build it cheap with the latest parts that matter. Other stuff you can take care of yourself if you are willing to put in the work like making the case nicer or give up some nice features that aren't necessary. SSDs are cool but I would want something where I can have it all on there. I leave my computer on mostly and have it go to sleep so fast start up times are not essential. Maybe if I see a performance bump in the next Elder Scrolls game or something. But right now, I can live with longer load times.

Disclaimer, I saved about 60 bucks because Microcenter also gives you 40 bucks off a motherboard with CPU purchase and right now have 20 bucks of 16 gigs of RAM if you buy it with that stuff too.

PartSpecPrice
ProcessorIntel Core i5 4670K$200
MotherboardASRock Z87m Extreme4$100
RAMCrucial 16 GB Ballistix Sport 1600$90
Hard DriveWestern Digital Blue 1TB 32MB Cache$70
Video CardnVidia Geforce GTX 770 SC EVGA$430
Sound Cardhuh?$0
Power SupplyCorsair CX750M$90
CPU CoolerAntec Kuhler 620 h2o$50
OSWindows 7 64 Bit Professional$140
CaseCougar Spike mATX Case$30
TOTAL$1200
#16 Edited by thetenthdoctor (291 posts) -

$170 for a motherboard is ridiculous. Those are made for extreme overclockers and tinkerers, which you obviously aren't. There are plenty of good Z77 ATX motherboards for ~$100.

Get rid of the soundcard- the GTX 770 supports 7.1 via HDMI. Ditch the water cooler and use a Coolermaster Hyper 212 for cooling ($30)- that'll be more than fine for stock clocks.

I'd also second the suggestion of building it yourself. It's seriously easy- things CAN'T go together wrong, as all the plugs are unique and keyed to fit one way. If you built an Erector set as a kid, you can do this. That opens up the ability to save more money ordering bundled items from Newegg and saving even more.

If you don't want to hand pick parts but are willing to plug a bunch of stuff together, start here:

http://www.newegg.com/Store/MasterComboStore.aspx?StoreID=7

I bought one of those combos 3 years ago for $600, and it still runs games near max settings @ 60fps once I added a $400 gtx770 to it. That's $1,000 and it's lasted me over 3 years.