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#1 Edited by II_SpadeX_II (62 posts) -

In an interview with Eurogamer, Sony Computer Entertainment UK boss Fergal Gara revealed that Killzone Shadow Fall will have a size of more than 50 GB, so it’ll take a while to download it from the PSN – although fortunately, with the “Play as you Download” functionality, players won’t have to wait before enjoying the game.

There are big innovations in the PS4 to make it more attractive and more easy gamer wise to want to download. The Play as you Download functionality, for example, means you don’t need the whole file before you go. This is a little bit counterbalanced by the fact the files themselves are getting bloody big. Killzone: Shadow Fall is an uber file – I think it’s cracking on for 50GB. It looks it, too, when you see it.

It is still a relatively tedious process. We’ve done a lot of work on pre-delivering files. It’s not perfect. It’s not seamless. The file version of the game versus the disc version of the game maybe needs to go through additional QA and additional testing. Some of the problems that have occurred have occurred on older machines, which of course when you go into the next-generation you at least get to reset and start again and everything’s the same age and new. That helps.

But it’s a major area of focus. It’s a major area of investment. The network will perform better on multiple levels, because it becomes not just a sales or gaming delivery but increasingly it becomes a social network. So it’s got to be a compelling experience on multiple levels. It’s going to be for no lack of investment, for no lack of effort and no lack of intention that things might fall a bit short. But we’re definitely moving in the right direction, and I’m confident when step on and understand its importance.

Still, that might be an issue for some users who have a monthly cap. Regardless, as you can read above Gara reiterated that Sony is committed to improving the quality of the PlayStation Network as a whole.

MAIN ARTICLE (Worlds Factory): http://www.worldsfactory.net/2013/09/30/killzone-shadow-fall-file-size-50-gb

#2 Posted by wemibelec90 (1280 posts) -

I really want to go all digital for the next-gen, but my ISP just introduced a bandwidth cap like last week. With file sizes like this, I don't know if I can manage with such big files. Also, I dunno if I trust Sony to boost the DL speeds as much as would be necessary for files like that.

#3 Posted by Chop (1964 posts) -

I really want to go all digital for the next-gen, but my ISP just introduced a bandwidth cap like last week. With file sizes like this, I don't know if I can manage with such big files. Also, I dunno if I trust Sony to boost the DL speeds as much as would be necessary for files like that.

Yeah...sigh.... I want to go all digital so damn bad but I'm capped at 90gigs. That's more than enough for right now but 50 gigs? Shit, anything over 10 really makes me think twice about downloading.

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#4 Posted by II_SpadeX_II (62 posts) -
#5 Edited by bigjeffrey (4162 posts) -

Disk it is, fuck can't imagine what actual games sizes are, witcher 3 = 75gb

#6 Posted by II_SpadeX_II (62 posts) -

@bigjeffrey: That poor 500GB running out in a month...

#7 Posted by ll_Exile_ll (1271 posts) -

I really want to go all digital for the next-gen, but my ISP just introduced a bandwidth cap like last week. With file sizes like this, I don't know if I can manage with such big files. Also, I dunno if I trust Sony to boost the DL speeds as much as would be necessary for files like that.

Man, that really sucks. Luckily there is stiff competition between Verizon and Comcast in my area (so much so that you can basically call and threaten to switch and they'll throw some sort promotion at you), so neither has a data cap. I can't imagine having to deal with a data cap, between everyone in my house we probably exceed 300GB a month on average, sometimes far more than that.

#8 Posted by spraynardtatum (2125 posts) -

Are they using dual layered blu rays?

#9 Edited by II_SpadeX_II (62 posts) -
#10 Edited by Barrock (3525 posts) -

I'm spoiled with no cap. I'm terrified to move and find out they have some sort of crazy bandwidth limit.

#11 Posted by wemibelec90 (1280 posts) -

@ll_exile_ll said:

@wemibelec90 said:

I really want to go all digital for the next-gen, but my ISP just introduced a bandwidth cap like last week. With file sizes like this, I don't know if I can manage with such big files. Also, I dunno if I trust Sony to boost the DL speeds as much as would be necessary for files like that.

Man, that really sucks. Luckily there is stiff competition between Verizon and Comcast in my area (so much so that you can basically call and threaten to switch and they'll throw some sort promotion at you), so neither has a data cap. I can't imagine having to deal with a data cap, between everyone in my house we probably exceed 300GB a month on average, sometimes far more than that.

I don't have any other choices if I want high-speed Internet in my area. I never would have expected a cap to be something my ISP provided, especially because of the relatively rural area I live in. For the time being, it really isn't much of an issue, but I'm not sure how much of a headache it will be in the near future with game sizes skyrocketing.

#12 Posted by spraynardtatum (2125 posts) -
#13 Edited by Nekroskop (2786 posts) -

Cool. If they fixed their capped download speeds I can hopefully put this 100mbit line to good use. 3MB/s simply isn't fast enough, Sony.

Also: ISPs still have bandwidth caps. What is this. 2003?

#14 Posted by Hailinel (22712 posts) -

All hail the all-digital future and the realities of it sucking ass!

#15 Posted by Ezakael (871 posts) -

Cool. If they fixed their capped download speeds I can hopefully put this 100mbit line to good use. 3MB/s simply isn't fast enough, Sony.

Also: ISPs still have bandwidth caps. What is this. 2003?

It is in Canada Apparently. I won't be going digital that's for damn sure.

#16 Posted by mrfluke (4844 posts) -

@hailinel said:

All hail the all-digital future and the realities of it sucking ass!

#17 Edited by mrcraggle (1698 posts) -

I wouldn't have expected less tbh. Look at the digital release of Uncharted 3; It easily takes up over 30 gigs of space but now games will be dealing with much finer detail with higher polygon models and higher resolution textures.

#18 Posted by l4wd0g (1819 posts) -

So the HDD aren't going to be big enough? Awesome. Can't wait to spend more money on a new HDD...

#19 Edited by Marokai (2637 posts) -

But guys, think of the convenience.

#20 Edited by mrcraggle (1698 posts) -

Why is anyone even considering buying digital anyway? Sony's store price are a huge rip off especially when it comes to EA titles. I can buy Fifa 2014 for £60 on the store or £40 on a disc. Hmmmm.

#21 Edited by Syed117 (388 posts) -

That size is ridiculous, but I'm fortunate enough to have a very fast connection and no limit on usage.

Steam is the fastest, XBL is almost as fast, but PSN is a joke in terms of download speeds. The faster your connection, the bigger the difference.

It doesn't matter how big the games are if Sony can't make download speeds faster. That will be much more important than the size of the games.

#22 Posted by Zaccheus (1770 posts) -

Why is anyone even considering buying digital anyway? Sony's store price are a huge rip off especially when it comes to EA titles. I can buy Fifa 2014 for £60 on the store or £40 on a disc. Hmmmm.

Yeah... Digital releses are always 10-30€ more on PSN and have no resell value. How convenient!

#23 Posted by oodli (87 posts) -

High quality audio files guys, the future is here!

#24 Posted by EXTomar (4125 posts) -

Meh, Bioshock Infinite is something like 25 GB. With all of the DLC it could easily break 30GB. Acting shocked at the size of games is laughable.

#25 Posted by LiquidPrince (15609 posts) -

Whatever... I will probably almost never buy a game digitally anyways. I like physically owning my games despite the fact that they may take up some space.

#26 Posted by mosdl (3223 posts) -

@wemibelec90 said:

I really want to go all digital for the next-gen, but my ISP just introduced a bandwidth cap like last week. With file sizes like this, I don't know if I can manage with such big files. Also, I dunno if I trust Sony to boost the DL speeds as much as would be necessary for files like that.

I assume they'll use the same infrastructure that Planetside 2 uses which has good speeds.

#27 Posted by ShadowSkill11 (1776 posts) -

@wemibelec90: if you decide to use an ISP with caps deal with it, buy a disc, or change your ISP.

#28 Posted by theninjamonke (31 posts) -

I don't really see the need for digital besides the fact that a digital copy only breaks when your hard drive does, and even then you can restore it, while if you break a disc, you're out of luck unless you've bought the disc protection. My internet is too damn slow to download a 50gb game, regardless of networks caps or things like that. I'll just get discs and install them on the hard-drive, which takes a very shortened amount of time.

#29 Posted by tourgen (4236 posts) -

@wemibelec90: if you decide to use an ISP with caps deal with it, buy a disc, or change your ISP.

Of course, once you account for your false assumption that he even has a choice in ISPs, your comment looks pretty silly.

#30 Edited by TheManWithNoPlan (4445 posts) -

My dream of an all digital future continues to seem like nothing more than a fantasy due to these massive downloads.

#31 Posted by Huey2k2 (475 posts) -

@wemibelec90: if you decide to use an ISP with caps deal with it, buy a disc, or change your ISP.

You're implying that people have the choice.

I live in an area where all my ISP choices have bandwidth caps.

Stop being an ignorant asshole.

#32 Edited by MideonNViscera (2257 posts) -

@ezakael said:

@nekroskop said:

Cool. If they fixed their capped download speeds I can hopefully put this 100mbit line to good use. 3MB/s simply isn't fast enough, Sony.

Also: ISPs still have bandwidth caps. What is this. 2003?

It is in Canada Apparently. I won't be going digital that's for damn sure.

Do you have Bell Fiber Op in your area? They never capped me for that in NS and we took massive advantage of it.

#33 Posted by Nictel (2312 posts) -

I know these are averages and there are faster connections available but still if this is the average speed most people aren't in a position where they can easily download 50gb fast.

#34 Posted by Bollard (5026 posts) -

@nictel said:

I know these are averages and there are faster connections available but still if this is the average speed most people aren't in a position where they can easily download 50gb fast.

Hey look! The UK has worse internet than Latvia. That's impressive.

#35 Edited by Venatio (4485 posts) -

Man, having an ISP with a cap would suck, I don't think that's a thing here in Sweden, correct me if I'm wrong

#36 Edited by McShank (1628 posts) -

I have a 500gb limit at 30mbs and then every 25gb I go over, its only an additional 5$.. Happens all the time and I honestly dont see much problem as the cap has gone up from 300 2 years ago and will most likely go up again as fiberoptic is starting to be everywhere. i will still buy physical and only buy digital if its pc OR ps1/2 classics.. + way of samurai as the new one is digital only in the us.

#37 Posted by AlexW00d (6061 posts) -

Good job most of Sony's business comes from countries without 90s ass internet.

#38 Posted by AlexW00d (6061 posts) -
#39 Posted by Bollard (5026 posts) -

@alexw00d said:

@chavtheworld said:

@nictel said:

I know these are averages and there are faster connections available but still if this is the average speed most people aren't in a position where they can easily download 50gb fast.

Hey look! The UK has worse internet than Latvia. That's impressive.

I dunno where they got their figures from, but they're probably not very good. http://media.ofcom.org.uk/2013/08/07/average-uk-broadband-speed-continues-to-rise/

UK Average is 14.7Mb/s

UK average is 14.7, says UK based company with UK based interests. All the internet in the UK I have used has been god awfully slow. To be honest I don't trust any of these figures because the sample sizes are pathetic. Doesn't speedtest.net aggregate scores? They're the only people with enough data to provide any meaningful results.

#40 Edited by AlexW00d (6061 posts) -

@chavtheworld said:

@alexw00d said:

@chavtheworld said:

@nictel said:

I know these are averages and there are faster connections available but still if this is the average speed most people aren't in a position where they can easily download 50gb fast.

Hey look! The UK has worse internet than Latvia. That's impressive.

I dunno where they got their figures from, but they're probably not very good. http://media.ofcom.org.uk/2013/08/07/average-uk-broadband-speed-continues-to-rise/

UK Average is 14.7Mb/s

UK average is 14.7, says UK based company with UK based interests. All the internet in the UK I have used has been god awfully slow. To be honest I don't trust any of these figures because the sample sizes are pathetic. Doesn't speedtest.net aggregate scores? They're the only people with enough data to provide any meaningful results.

Well if we're basing it on our own internet usage then the internet here is always super fast cause I have 80Mb/s download speed... Also I'm not entirely sure I'd refer to Ofcom as a UK based company with UK based interests; they're the communications regulatory board for the country. They stop shitty things like monopolies etc.

Speedtest claims the world average is 15Mb/s, and whilst my connection is better than 90% of the world, it's only better than 87% of the UK, so by that logic, the UK average is a tad higher than 15Mb/s

#41 Posted by jArmAhead (128 posts) -

@huey2k2 said:

@shadowskill11 said:

@wemibelec90: if you decide to use an ISP with caps deal with it, buy a disc, or change your ISP.

You're implying that people have the choice.

I live in an area where all my ISP choices have bandwidth caps.

Stop being an ignorant asshole.

Ignorant asshole? His first suggestion is just to get a physical copy at retail. You're more of an asshole for calling him an ass for just saying "hey, if it's a problem, there are other options."

Also, with preloading and everything, 50GB isn't that bad. Most people with good internet can get 50GB pretty quickly. Instantly? No, but pretty quick and not everyone gives a damn about getting it in the frist 5 minutes. I don't mind setting something to download and just coming back when it's done. I regularly download 15GB games in no time flat, and my internet isn't all that spectacular. 50GB will be a bit of a wait, but honestly less hassle than going to a retail location for me. Not to mention the added security of being able to just download and delete games at will instead of having to hang on to a disk.

#42 Edited by Immortal_Guy (88 posts) -

Hold on - a single blu ray disc on the PS4 can hold up to 400 GB, when the whole hard disc can only hold 500GB? That seems really wierd to me. If in the far-flung future any games actually used all the space available on the disc, there'd be no way you could download them.

#43 Edited by kpaadet (409 posts) -

Wow, bandwidth cap is actually still a thing for some people? Well I hope those being affected by a cap, are atleast able use their landline while being "connected".

#44 Posted by LethalKi11ler (1400 posts) -

Haven't had a bandwidth cap in forever. All hail Unlimited Data! (Oh and I'm in Canada)

#45 Posted by MooseyMcMan (9761 posts) -

Hold on - a single blu ray disc on the PS4 can hold up to 400 GB, when the whole hard disc can only hold 500GB? That seems really wierd to me. If in the far-flung future any games actually used all the space available on the disc, there'd be no way you could download them.

Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait. Since when could PS4 discs hold 400 GB of data?

#46 Edited by MB (11302 posts) -

Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait. Since when could PS4 discs hold 400 GB of data?

16 layer 400gb discs are available and don't require special lasers or anything...they can be read by current BD players. I think there are even 20 layer discs now. 25gb per layer * 16 layers = 400gb.

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#47 Edited by MooseyMcMan (9761 posts) -

@mb said:

16 layer 400gb discs are available and don't require special lasers or anything...they can be read by current BD players. I think there are even 20 layer discs now. 25gb per layer * 16 layers = 400gb.

Crazy! But is there any evidence to suggest that these discs are being used by Sony (or hey, even Microsoft, they're on the Blu-Train now) for games? I have to imagine that these cost more to produce.

#48 Edited by Make_Me_Mad (2950 posts) -

I'm about to move to a place where the only internet option that isn't Dial Up is 50 dollars a month for a 20gb monthly cap. Fuck the internet in this country, goddamn.

#49 Edited by Huey2k2 (475 posts) -

@jarmahead said:

@huey2k2 said:

@shadowskill11 said:

@wemibelec90: if you decide to use an ISP with caps deal with it, buy a disc, or change your ISP.

You're implying that people have the choice.

I live in an area where all my ISP choices have bandwidth caps.

Stop being an ignorant asshole.

Ignorant asshole? His first suggestion is just to get a physical copy at retail. You're more of an asshole for calling him an ass for just saying "hey, if it's a problem, there are other options."

Also, with preloading and everything, 50GB isn't that bad. Most people with good internet can get 50GB pretty quickly. Instantly? No, but pretty quick and not everyone gives a damn about getting it in the frist 5 minutes. I don't mind setting something to download and just coming back when it's done. I regularly download 15GB games in no time flat, and my internet isn't all that spectacular. 50GB will be a bit of a wait, but honestly less hassle than going to a retail location for me. Not to mention the added security of being able to just download and delete games at will instead of having to hang on to a disk.

He starts out with "if you decide to use an ISP with caps" which is implying I am making the choice to have bandwidth caps.

And I am not sure how you think that he is being helpful in any way by suggesting that people buy physical copies of games. Obviously I know I can do that, but that doesn't change the fact that it would be nice to be able to download all my games.

Saying "change your ISP" is also the furthest thing from useful advice because that wouldn't solve my problem at all.

If he had said "hey, if it's a problem, there are other options." like you said, I wouldn't have cared. But the comment he made was pointless and inflammatory.

So yes, he is being an ignorant asshole.

#50 Posted by Ezakael (871 posts) -

@mideonnviscera: Looks like they do but I'm not the one that makes the decisions when it comes to the internet. Maybe I'll bring it up though.