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#1 Edited by Krakn3Dfx (2502 posts) -

Sony has put out the "ultimate faq", which is apparently their attempt to rip defeat from the jaws of victory. The PS4 will not feature DLNA or MP3 support.

http://blog.us.playstation.com/2013/10/30/ps4-the-ultimate-faq-north-america/

Unbelievable. Both were features I use extensively on my PS3, and I know of other people did, too. Seems insane that this would be looked over, I can only think it was a conscious effort by Sony to force people into their Music Unlimited and video services.

I am so close to just calling it quits on next gen for now, after almost a year of being super hyped about the PS4, the wind has left my sails pretty much completely today with this FAQ.

UPDATE: Have had some info shared with me from someone who indicates this isn't a permanent situation, at least the DLNA part. Nothing official yet, but sounds promising.

#2 Posted by RonGalaxy (3266 posts) -

MUSIC UNLIMITED DOG, WHO NEEDS MPEE3's NOW WHEN YOU GOT THE CLOUD IN YOUR HEART

Seriously though: it's dumb, but doesn't really affect me. I'm going to be using this thing to play games and maybe rent movies once in awhile. I got my music situation covered. Though it would be nice if they added it in at some point.

#3 Posted by MooseyMcMan (11395 posts) -

Does that mean I can't copy my MP3s onto the PS4 via a USB stick (which I did on my PS3)? That sounds crazy! But I also almost never actually listened to music on my PS3.

But I see why a fair number of people would be upset with this stuff. Hopefully they add it in later.

#4 Edited by iAmJohn (6134 posts) -

That's really, really stupid.

#5 Edited by geirr (2709 posts) -

I just cancelled my PS4 pre-order an hour ago and reading this makes me slightly more happy I did so. Not that I care about mp3 or DNLA but that really sucks for the people affected by this.

#6 Edited by xyzygy (10078 posts) -

What does this mean though? A search tells me that DLNA is basically a media sharing system, so does this mean you can't watch movies from your PC on your PS4?

#7 Posted by Benny (1955 posts) -

Will PS4 be able to automatically download game patches?

Yes, all PS4 users will be able to automatically download and install game patches to their PS4. In addition, PlayStation Plus members will enjoy the ability to have those automatic downloads happen while the system is in standby mode.

Can I continue playing on a PS4 while a game patch is being auto detected, downloaded, and installed?

Yes, you can continue playing on PS4 while the game’s patch is being auto detected and downloaded. But depending on the game, you not be able to access online features until all the update data is installed. To install any game patch, users must close the game.

THANK GOD

#8 Posted by Yillb (34 posts) -

I guess it's older news but I was floored by this when looking through the FAQ:

Can I listen to audio CDs using PS4?

No, PS4 does not support audio CDs.

#9 Posted by mrfluke (5342 posts) -

aw and i like being able to do that stuff.

but its no biggie for me at least, as i have my pc next to my consoles.

#10 Posted by spraynardtatum (3686 posts) -

Lame!

#11 Posted by Marokai (3146 posts) -

Very silly.

#12 Posted by Krakn3Dfx (2502 posts) -

@xyzygy said:

What does this mean though? A search tells me that DLNA is basically a media sharing system, so does this mean you can't watch movies from your PC on your PS4?

That's exactly what it means.

#13 Posted by GorillaMoPena (2337 posts) -
Does PS4 include a music visualizer feature?

No.

What the hell are we even paying for then?

#14 Posted by Giganteus (196 posts) -

Bad move by Sony. Also, you can't change your PSN ID and you can only share through facebook (I believe). The first major set of screw ups by them for the upcoming generation.

I hope Microsoft has some of these features available to people as an alternative.

#15 Edited by xyzygy (10078 posts) -

@xyzygy said:

What does this mean though? A search tells me that DLNA is basically a media sharing system, so does this mean you can't watch movies from your PC on your PS4?

That's exactly what it means.

Wow that seriously sucks. Why would the remove this feature? I use this stuff so much on current gen. Hmm. Really strange of Sony to do this.

Also, can't listen to audio CDs? What the actual fuck?

#16 Posted by Darji (5293 posts) -

@yillb said:

I guess it's older news but I was floored by this when looking through the FAQ:

Can I listen to audio CDs using PS4?

No, PS4 does not support audio CDs.

Cds in 2013? why?^^

The media server stuff really sucks especially when it was working on Ps3... Guess even Sony fucks up once a while.

#17 Posted by StrainedEyes (1331 posts) -

I don't use media streaming or MP3s on my PS3, so this doesn't really change how I would use a PS4.

Sucks that they are removing features people like about their last console, though.

#18 Posted by Krakn3Dfx (2502 posts) -

@xyzygy said:

@krakn3dfx said:

@xyzygy said:

What does this mean though? A search tells me that DLNA is basically a media sharing system, so does this mean you can't watch movies from your PC on your PS4?

That's exactly what it means.

Wow that seriously sucks. Why would the remove this feature? I use this stuff so much on current gen. Hmm. Really strange of Sony to do this.

Also, can't listen to audio CDs? What the actual fuck?

If you have Twitter, feel free to retweet my comment to Sony, maybe if enough people call bullshit on this, Sony will take notice.

https://twitter.com/Krakn3dfx/status/395609351303348224

#19 Posted by kaos_cracker (710 posts) -

People listen to music on their console? What? Am I the only one that never does at all?

#21 Posted by Milkman (17316 posts) -

@darji: "Guess even Sony fucks up once in awhile"

It's funny how quickly people forget Sony's near constant fuck ups with the PS3.

#22 Edited by Seppli (10250 posts) -

@krakn3dfx said:

@xyzygy said:

What does this mean though? A search tells me that DLNA is basically a media sharing system, so does this mean you can't watch movies from your PC on your PS4?

That's exactly what it means.

Shame, I'd enjoy streaming stuff from my PC onto the TV via PS4 in my Wi-Fi network. Oh well, I'll just stick with USB devices then. Or just buy a PS Vita TV dongle.

No biggie though, because I get my PS4 for gaming mostly, media functions are but the cherry ontop. Let's just hope Sony's streaming services will be attractive in both price and selection. If they eventually manage to have a global market mirror on offer (everything there was, is, and is releasing day 1 worldwide), the potential of the internet as an all encompassing library would be finally realized.

#23 Posted by bemusedchunk (734 posts) -

No MP3?! What the hell is this?! A GAMEBOY?!?!

#24 Posted by Phatmac (5727 posts) -

Man this is really fucking dumb. They've gotta change it now.

#25 Posted by Darji (5293 posts) -

@milkman said:

@darji: "Guess even Sony fucks up once in awhile"

It's funny how quickly people forget Sony's near constant fuck ups with the PS3.

I have not forgotten it but recently and especially with the Ps4 they did everything right so far except maybe this^^

#26 Posted by Amikron (344 posts) -

@darji: Don't worry, Sony will prove themselves to be proper fuck ups too, just give them a chance!

#27 Edited by mikey87144 (1806 posts) -

That's stupid. I, and many people, used that feature quite extensively. Why is that not just something it does?

#28 Posted by Syed117 (391 posts) -

This is ridiculous. Why would they not include DLNA support?

You know what? This isn't really surprising. Sony has always over promised when it comes to hardware launches. People fall for it every time.

No suspend/resume, no bluetooth support, no dlna

I wonder what bad news they will have next week.

#29 Posted by MildMolasses (3229 posts) -

@yillb said:

I guess it's older news but I was floored by this when looking through the FAQ:

Can I listen to audio CDs using PS4?

No, PS4 does not support audio CDs.

That seems crazy, but I honestly don't know the last time I used a cd to listen to music

#30 Posted by Yillb (34 posts) -

@darji: You are 100% right and I totally agree. It's mostly that I just lumped CD/DVD/Blu-ray playback functionality together.

It's also the brand of firsts for me: PS1 first CD player, PS2 first DVD player, PS3 first Blu-ray player.

And part of me thinks they didn't include it because you can rip CDs on PS3, so if they don't have MP3 support and they maybe didn't want to include it so people didn't ask about it.

#31 Edited by xyzygy (10078 posts) -

I wonder if this is something that can be implemented in the future or if it's something they can't do because the current hardware wasn't designed around with it in mind. After researching DLNA it seems that a device must earn the DLNA certification in order for it to access other systems over a network - this makes me think that it's not just software.

#32 Posted by bemusedchunk (734 posts) -

What about 8 tracks?

#33 Posted by shinjin977 (799 posts) -

Man this is super weird, I guess I can see them wanting to push Music Unlimited tho. Serious question, do people really listen to music while playing a game? I mean I kind of get doing that while grinding in MMO or something but console game? This is the same feeling I have about cross-game party chat, I guess I just want to actually bath in the actual game that I just bought instead of hearing my friends talk over a cut-scene or something but yea seeing as how ps3 can do this ps4 not allowing it is pretty stupid.

#34 Posted by xyzygy (10078 posts) -

Bad move by Sony. Also, you can't change your PSN ID and you can only share through facebook (I believe). The first major set of screw ups by them for the upcoming generation.

I hope Microsoft has some of these features available to people as an alternative.

They should just change the share button to a Facebook button.

#35 Posted by Darji (5293 posts) -

@yillb said:

@darji: You are 100% right and I totally agree. It's mostly that I just lumped CD/DVD/Blu-ray playback functionality together.

It's also the brand of firsts for me: PS1 first CD player, PS2 first DVD player, PS3 first Blu-ray player.

And part of me thinks they didn't include it because you can rip CDs on PS3, so if they don't have MP3 support and they maybe didn't want to include it so people didn't ask about it.

The no MP3 support makes totally sense because of their own music program. It is a bad thing for customers for sure but it is an understandable business decision. Personally I don't care because I never use listen to music on my console or listen to different music than the games music when I play but I understand that people are upset about this.

#36 Posted by Blu3V3nom07 (3780 posts) -

Can you buy mp3s from Sony Music Unlimited?

#37 Posted by Marokai (3146 posts) -

@shinjin977: I've never listened to music while playing a game on the Ps3, and in fact I've barely listened to music at all on my Ps3, but occasionally I'll use the playback functionality to listen to a Bombcast. This seems like a minor inconvenience, but such an utterly trivial and shitty one that I can understand why people would be irked by it. Not really sure I get the "pre-order canceled!" level of outrage, but it is a very silly thing they can, and should, undo.

#38 Posted by xyzygy (10078 posts) -

Man this is super weird, I guess I can see them wanting to push Music Unlimited tho. Serious question, do people really listen to music while playing a game? I mean I kind of get doing that while grinding in MMO or something but console game? This is the same feeling I have about cross-game party chat, I guess I just want to actually bath in the actual game that I just bought instead of hearing my friends talk over a cut-scene or something but yea seeing as how ps3 can do this ps4 not allowing it is pretty stupid.

When I play RPGs and i'm doing some extra stuff I like to stream music from my PC collection straight to my Xbox. Obviously not while doing story stuff.

#39 Posted by Dagbiker (6978 posts) -

@xyzygy said:

@krakn3dfx said:

@xyzygy said:

What does this mean though? A search tells me that DLNA is basically a media sharing system, so does this mean you can't watch movies from your PC on your PS4?

That's exactly what it means.

Wow that seriously sucks. Why would the remove this feature? I use this stuff so much on current gen. Hmm. Really strange of Sony to do this.

Also, can't listen to audio CDs? What the actual fuck?

They didn't remove the feature, they just didn't include it. There is a difference.

#40 Posted by Slaegar (740 posts) -

Seems like an odd thing to leave out. Not really a deal breaker for me, but it was a cool feature to be able to play music during games in the early days of the Xbox 360. This seems like something that could be patched in later, but in 2014 even your toaster will have mp3 support. Heck even the 3DS has mp3 support.

#41 Posted by Yillb (34 posts) -

@darji: Just like the Xbox One it's their console and their choices and if they want to try to push people toward their service I'm fine with that.

It was just really surprising to me to see that because I would never have thought that would be something they would remove until they went disc-less.

#42 Edited by NoobSauceG7 (1253 posts) -

Why is this an issue?

#43 Edited by EXTomar (4943 posts) -

Kind of a bummer since the DLNA support for the PS3 was way way way better than it was on the 360.

What I wonder is happening is that these features are taken out of the OS and stuck in an app which is far less desirable. :/

#44 Posted by xyzygy (10078 posts) -

@dagbiker said:

@xyzygy said:

@krakn3dfx said:

@xyzygy said:

What does this mean though? A search tells me that DLNA is basically a media sharing system, so does this mean you can't watch movies from your PC on your PS4?

That's exactly what it means.

Wow that seriously sucks. Why would the remove this feature? I use this stuff so much on current gen. Hmm. Really strange of Sony to do this.

Also, can't listen to audio CDs? What the actual fuck?

They didn't remove the feature, they just didn't include it. There is a difference.

I'm talking about removing it from something they've established with the PS3. I can listen to my MP3s and watch movies while streaming from my PC on my PS3.

#45 Posted by StrainedEyes (1331 posts) -

I'm more confused by their list of launch games. I get that they didn't want to include games coming out the following Tuesday (though they really should have), but where are the launch F2P games like DCUO and Warframe?

#46 Posted by isomeri (1416 posts) -

Not being able to use custom playlists in driving games etc. is kind of a bummer, but not a huge deal. And all this stuff can probably be patched in later if it becomes a big issue for consumers.

#47 Edited by SunBroZak (1353 posts) -

Does PS4 include a music visualizer feature?

No.

What the hell are we even paying for then?

Aw.
No more listening to the 2001: A Space Odyssey theme, whilst watching that panning shot of the Earth. :(

#48 Posted by Sony4LYFE (15 posts) -

UPDATE: PS PLUS subscribers only pay 49$

Thank you Sony <3

#49 Posted by GERALTITUDE (3504 posts) -

What's DLNA?

#50 Posted by RazielCuts (2987 posts) -