#1 Edited by expensiveham (289 posts) -

I don't want to know details. Just a yes or a no.

#2 Edited by believer258 (11642 posts) -

No.

#3 Posted by falserelic (5333 posts) -
#4 Posted by Blommer4 (191 posts) -

I don't know

#5 Posted by Glottery (1109 posts) -

Doesn't make an appearance, but he's referred to being alive in 1946 still at least.

#6 Posted by Darkstalker (715 posts) -

Why do they constantly make this mistake with each Wolfenstein ? It seems so obvious people want to shoot hitler

#7 Edited by Vuud (1943 posts) -

I want to fuckin' shoot Hitler in the face.

#8 Edited by expensiveham (289 posts) -

@darkstalker said:

Why do they constantly make this mistake with each Wolfenstein ? It seems so obvious people want to shoot hitler

I have no idea, seems obvious that it is what people want. I especially want to shoot him if he is some stupid resurrected zombiecyborg Hitler that is back to life for the third time. Sucks that he is not in this game. If i ever make a game i am going to put Hitler in it regardless of the setting.

#9 Posted by Darkstalker (715 posts) -

I guess they are afraid of the controversy I guess,

#10 Posted by mortal_sb (519 posts) -

thats a shame.

#11 Posted by believer258 (11642 posts) -

@darkstalker said:

Why do they constantly make this mistake with each Wolfenstein ? It seems so obvious people want to shoot hitler

I have no idea, seems obvious that it is what people want. I especially want to shoot him if he is some stupid resurrected zombiecyborg Hitler that is back to life for the third time. Sucks that he is not in this game. If i ever make a game i am going to put Hitler in it regardless of the setting.

From what I understand, this is supposed to be a sequel to Wolfenstein 2009, which was a sequel to Return to Castle Wolfenstein, which was a sequel to Wolfenstein 3-D, where you killed Hitler. Apparently the Nazis have marched on without Hitler.

Final boss spoilers: You do, however, fight a mech with four machine guns and rocket launchers piloted by the Big Bad at the end of the game.

#12 Edited by Vuud (1943 posts) -

@believer258: Yeah but they can bring Hitler back any way they want; resurrect a zombie Hitler with crazy magic, clone Hitler via a Boys from Brazil situation, or just straight up retcon.

#13 Posted by believer258 (11642 posts) -

@vuud said:

@believer258: Yeah but they can bring Hitler back any way they want; resurrect a zombie Hitler with crazy magic, clone Hitler via a Boys from Brazil situation, or just straight up retcon.

Machine Games seemed to be keen on dropping any notions of magic, zombies, resurrection, etc., so that sort of thing would have been completely out of place here. It also would have been completely out of place with the (already slightly inconsistent) tone they were going for.

Meanwhile, Wolfenstein 3D still exists, in all its 2.5D 1992 shooter glory.

#14 Posted by Village_Guy (2497 posts) -

Nope, though I heard that Sniper Elite 3 is going to have a mission to snipe Hitler. So if you want your Hitler killing needs sated in 2014 either go back to the classics or maybe wait for that?

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#15 Posted by Danteveli (1162 posts) -

@village_guy: Siper Elite 2 had special Kill Hitler DLC

maybe they will do the same for Wolfenstein

#16 Posted by tescovee (353 posts) -

@village_guy: sniper v2 also has a dlc pack to shoot Hitler

#17 Posted by Hailinel (23915 posts) -

I guess they are afraid of the controversy I guess,

No, because the game treats Wolfenstein 3-D's events as canon. There is no more Hitler to kill because BJ already killed him.

#18 Posted by baka_shinji17 (186 posts) -

Actually, this question is what I ask myself whenever purchasing a new game.

#19 Posted by Mikemcn (6955 posts) -

@hailinel said:

@darkstalker said:

I guess they are afraid of the controversy I guess,

No, because the game treats Wolfenstein 3-D's events as canon. There is no more Hitler to kill because BJ already killed him.

Then why not have clone hitler ala Boys from Brazil? He can die multiple times, still satisfying.

#20 Posted by pyrodactyl (1885 posts) -

@expensiveham said:

@darkstalker said:

Why do they constantly make this mistake with each Wolfenstein ? It seems so obvious people want to shoot hitler

I have no idea, seems obvious that it is what people want. I especially want to shoot him if he is some stupid resurrected zombiecyborg Hitler that is back to life for the third time. Sucks that he is not in this game. If i ever make a game i am going to put Hitler in it regardless of the setting.

From what I understand, this is supposed to be a sequel to Wolfenstein 2009, which was a sequel to Return to Castle Wolfenstein, which was a sequel to Wolfenstein 3-D, where you killed Hitler. Apparently the Nazis have marched on without Hitler.

Final boss spoilers: You do, however, fight a mech with four machine guns and rocket launchers piloted by the Big Bad at the end of the game.

I don't know who the vilain is but I bet the game would be better with zombie hitler at the helm of the giant robot.

#21 Edited by SeanFoster (856 posts) -

I want to teamup with Hitler to fight an even worse Nazi but after you defeat the Uber-Nazi you get to kill Hitler too

#22 Posted by Colourful_Hippie (4330 posts) -

Booo at lack of Hitler.

MACHINEHEAD, LISTEN TO MY CRY FOR HITLER'S BLOOD AND ADD THAT MOTHERFUCKER IN DLC

#23 Posted by Jimbo (9774 posts) -

How is the story not about Hitler making an army of clone Hitlers? Then every enemy soldier could be Hitler.

Twist ending:

You are a renegade clone Hitler.

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#24 Posted by charlie_victor_bravo (944 posts) -

@believer258 said:

@expensiveham said:

@darkstalker said:

Why do they constantly make this mistake with each Wolfenstein ? It seems so obvious people want to shoot hitler

I have no idea, seems obvious that it is what people want. I especially want to shoot him if he is some stupid resurrected zombiecyborg Hitler that is back to life for the third time. Sucks that he is not in this game. If i ever make a game i am going to put Hitler in it regardless of the setting.

From what I understand, this is supposed to be a sequel to Wolfenstein 2009, which was a sequel to Return to Castle Wolfenstein, which was a sequel to Wolfenstein 3-D, where you killed Hitler. Apparently the Nazis have marched on without Hitler.

Game developers need to realize that they are making games, not books, not films, not even comics. Most people do not care about the story continuity (unless you are making something like Mass Effect) and would be happier with fresh reboot. Same goes with the characters - if it is not Mario, do you need to have same main character in your game? Good deal what made Wolfenstein 3d special has to do with mecha-Hitler and dropping that of because your precious continuity is just pretentious.

#25 Edited by Glottery (1109 posts) -

If all previous Wolfenstein games were indeed canon to this, you would think that there's a mention of Hitler having a mecha suit at some point in the three games that came after it. Heinrich Himmler also returns to report about their operations to Hitler in RTCW and there's a mention of Hitler assumedly being alive in The New Order and, and...I don't think I actually care. Deathshead fills the position of a sadistic Nazi (scientist) leader more than well.

#26 Edited by believer258 (11642 posts) -

@charlie_victor_bravo said:

@believer258 said:

@expensiveham said:

@darkstalker said:

Why do they constantly make this mistake with each Wolfenstein ? It seems so obvious people want to shoot hitler

I have no idea, seems obvious that it is what people want. I especially want to shoot him if he is some stupid resurrected zombiecyborg Hitler that is back to life for the third time. Sucks that he is not in this game. If i ever make a game i am going to put Hitler in it regardless of the setting.

From what I understand, this is supposed to be a sequel to Wolfenstein 2009, which was a sequel to Return to Castle Wolfenstein, which was a sequel to Wolfenstein 3-D, where you killed Hitler. Apparently the Nazis have marched on without Hitler.

Game developers need to realize that they are making games, not books, not films, not even comics. Most people do not care about the story continuity (unless you are making something like Mass Effect) and would be happier with fresh reboot. Same goes with the characters - if it is not Mario, do you need to have same main character in your game? Good deal what made Wolfenstein 3d special has to do with mecha-Hitler and dropping that of because your precious continuity is just pretentious.

I don't see why games can't be a storytelling medium as valuable as books, films, and comics. And I'm one of the guys who thinks that video game storytelling still has a long way to go and that gameplay ultimately is more important. However, look at Rage - that game has a rock-solid base to it gameplay wise, it just never does anything interesting with the world it has set up. Context can really serve to make gameplay more memorable.

Reboot or not, mecha-Hitler wouldn't have worked with this story. There's a public expectation of what Hitler is and looks like - he is at this point a caricature. There's little you can do with him except make fun of him or use him in a dramatic sense. There's no Hitler boss fight not because Machine Games was concerned with continuity, but because it just wouldn't have worked well with the plot. It would have felt shoehorned in because "silly Nazi shooter needs Hitler!"

Wolfenstein 3D was special because it invented and codified many of the tropes that made up first person shooters as we know them, not because it had a silly joke boss fight with Hitler in a mech. Deathshead fills the "sadistic insane evil guy" role better and in a more interesting way than Hitler ever could have anyway. Too bad you can't make a joke about a well-written bad guy with your friends because he's not instantly recognizable, right? Right?

#27 Edited by Max_Cherry (1131 posts) -

No, but Jimi Hendrix is.

#28 Edited by believer258 (11642 posts) -

@max_cherry: I know that's going to become a thing that everybody knows, but I was hoping that it would be just a little while longer...

#29 Posted by Humanity (8815 posts) -

Booo at lack of Hitler.

MACHINEHEAD, LISTEN TO MY CRY FOR HITLER'S BLOOD AND ADD THAT MOTHERFUCKER IN DLC

Also hear my cries and patch the game, thanks.

#30 Posted by NTM (7266 posts) -

@expensiveham said:

@darkstalker said:

Why do they constantly make this mistake with each Wolfenstein ? It seems so obvious people want to shoot hitler

I have no idea, seems obvious that it is what people want. I especially want to shoot him if he is some stupid resurrected zombiecyborg Hitler that is back to life for the third time. Sucks that he is not in this game. If i ever make a game i am going to put Hitler in it regardless of the setting.

From what I understand, this is supposed to be a sequel to Wolfenstein 2009, which was a sequel to Return to Castle Wolfenstein, which was a sequel to Wolfenstein 3-D, where you killed Hitler. Apparently the Nazis have marched on without Hitler.

Final boss spoilers: You do, however, fight a mech with four machine guns and rocket launchers piloted by the Big Bad at the end of the game.

It's not a sequel, they already revealed that, they just took characters from the last game and put them in here, which yes, is kind of weird.

#31 Posted by NTM (7266 posts) -

No, it only hints that he's still alive. This won't get too spoilery, but there's one moment, which you could even see in one of the trailers, where a Nazi soldier says Heil Hitler, as well as in the base you have to go to from time to time, has a board on the wall, with a list of people they're looking at in which they want to take down, and Hitler is near the bottom, as if he's the least threatening of all of them.

#32 Posted by believer258 (11642 posts) -

@ntm said:
@believer258 said:

@expensiveham said:

@darkstalker said:

Why do they constantly make this mistake with each Wolfenstein ? It seems so obvious people want to shoot hitler

I have no idea, seems obvious that it is what people want. I especially want to shoot him if he is some stupid resurrected zombiecyborg Hitler that is back to life for the third time. Sucks that he is not in this game. If i ever make a game i am going to put Hitler in it regardless of the setting.

From what I understand, this is supposed to be a sequel to Wolfenstein 2009, which was a sequel to Return to Castle Wolfenstein, which was a sequel to Wolfenstein 3-D, where you killed Hitler. Apparently the Nazis have marched on without Hitler.

Final boss spoilers: You do, however, fight a mech with four machine guns and rocket launchers piloted by the Big Bad at the end of the game.

It's not a sequel, they already revealed that, they just took characters from the last game and put them in here, which yes, is kind of weird.

This at least follows the timeline of Wolfenstein 2009 as evidenced by the existence of a character from that game in this one. That one was supposed to be a sequel to Return, which was supposed to be a sequel to 3-D. They all sort of play fast and loose with the term "sequel", as all of them have their own take on the series, but some events are pretty much certain - BJ and Deathshead have met before, Caroline was gravely injured at some point, Caroline and BJ met once, etc. It's not a far fetch to believe that Hitler is dead by this point.

I don't see how the phrase "Heil Hitler" means that Hitler's alive. Isn't it possible they're just immortalizing him in some fashion, or "Heil Hitler" is just an offhand phrase of patriotism? How does that specific line spoken by a random guard prove that Hitler's alive?

I know that I'm taking this whole thread a lot more seriously than I should, but this game has a really good story and I'd rather not see that tarnished because people wanted to shoot Hitler. Especially when, as I said before, Deathshead serves the villain role better than Hitler ever could - Hitler could only have ever been a sort of joke boss for people to poke fun at, he never would have fit in this game's narrative precisely because all the public would do is snicker at the idea of shooting mecha-Hitler.

#33 Posted by Corvak (902 posts) -

I kind of expected Hitler's Brain in a metroid-like situation.

#34 Posted by NTM (7266 posts) -

@believer258: The heil Hitler thing could be either way, and the only argument I'd have against that would work for both ways, so it's not really a good one, but I would assume that on that board in the game, he'd probably be crossed out if he was dead, or not on it at all, and I'm not going to assume that the characters just didn't get to it yet... As for the timeline, only strands make it through, which are the characters, but the events in which happened, and the individual characters full stories from the past don't make it into this. The story to me has moments which can make you feel certain emotions, like anger, happiness, or what have you, so as a story for Wolfenstein goes, it's really good, but overall it isn't that special. I agree that we don't really need Hitler in the game; it doesn't really matter.

#35 Edited by Colourful_Hippie (4330 posts) -

@humanity said:

@colourful_hippie said:

Booo at lack of Hitler.

MACHINEHEAD, LISTEN TO MY CRY FOR HITLER'S BLOOD AND ADD THAT MOTHERFUCKER IN DLC

Also hear my cries and patch the game, thanks.

Lack of SLI support was the only egregious thing that stuck out at me when playing the game

#36 Posted by Humanity (8815 posts) -

@humanity said:

@colourful_hippie said:

Booo at lack of Hitler.

MACHINEHEAD, LISTEN TO MY CRY FOR HITLER'S BLOOD AND ADD THAT MOTHERFUCKER IN DLC

Also hear my cries and patch the game, thanks.

Lack of SLI support was the only egregious thing that stuck out at me when playing the game

I outlined my anger in another thread but for myself and certain other people the game is basically unplayable - 5 FPS max no matter what you do no matter what your specs are. I had to download some fan made hack to fix it.

#37 Edited by crithon (3081 posts) -

you should read some Hellboy comics,