The best bet this generation is sticking with the PC. Everything is being ported over to Steam anyways suckers so keep paying full retail for 2008 graphics and barbaric DRM.
Barbaric DRM? The worst DRM out there has been on our beloved PC. At least MS wanted to encourage a system that was so closed they could start giving features as a result of that closed loop, instead of just being like steam where all you get is convenience and inconvenience. I love steam, but acting like what would have been steam but with a ton of sharing and trading features for games is draconian or awful really ticks me off. It makes no sense. Other than the always online bit, that's all it really was. All it really needed was a way to toggle your account to offline mode and boom, nor problems. But loudmouths like you convinced MS the real answer was to make no one happy and just go back to the way it used to be. So thanks for that, by the way.
I mean, I don't really care that much, but man is your side of the argument touchy about this stuff. You refuse to see the middle point that would make everyone happy: offline gamers with the opportunity to opt out of the always online nature of the console, and people with confidence in their internet who wanna be able to trade and share their digital library and all that neat stuff.
@houseofballoons said:
Seriously, how much better are the graphics going to be on the PS4? With all the things Microsoft is going to implement with their cloud tech, I only see that gap closing in the near future.
You're not going to get magic GPU's through your internet connection.
To be fair, that is basically what you get with stuff like onlive. The difference is they can be more picky about what they use that connection for, and the benefits are REAL, like it or not. I don't get why people are so insistent that the cloud processing isn't a real thing. Do you know how google voice search works? It sends your voice off to a server somewhere, does all the calculations there, and sends them back. That is, in essence, what XBL of the next generation has the potential to do. Only it'll be AI or number crunching or matchmaking or server hosting instead of voice recognition. Stop hating on the cloud just because it's the cloud. It's a genuine asset and even if it's just dedicated servers, that is a HUGE plus. Seriously, it's so much better than the CoD mess of host migration and advantage and all that crap. And it means stuff like ArmA could actually happen on a console (In ArmA, pretty much all of the heavy lifting is done by the server, namely the AI, which makes it a bit rough to run complex missions). And other people are doing creative things with it like Drivatar. If that works, it'll be huge for guys like me that don't have buddies to race against but love the Forza series. AI is the biggest flaw with that genre, and if it really does make it evolve and feel more human and real, that will be great.
W..why would I do that? It's still $100 more and it's still less powerful.
It's $100 more, but the difference in power is all but meaningless. First of all, it's only a bit more potent. Second of all, that will matter fuck all for 90% of the good games, because most games are multiplatform and will be the same on either platform. That extra power will be seen occasionally maybe in exclusives, and even then it's questionable. While the PS3 had a lot of stunningly good looking exclusives, it had plenty of ugly ones too. A bit of extra power doesn't really matter than much and it's barely enough for anyone to do much with anyway. Especially with how huge of a chunk of RAM their simpler OS is supposedly taking up. The Xbone is managing to fit 3 OSs into less space than one OS on the PS4, if things are to be believed.
Also, aren't gamers supposed to not care about graphics? It's all about the gameplay. Until something shiny comes along, and then suddenly it matters again that things maybe look a tiny bit different.
@fluxwavez said:
In any gaming forum, an unknown user with very few amounts of posts comparing two next generation consoles but holding one in higher regard for almost illogical reasons will be called out as having a potential ulterior motive.
http://www.giantbomb.com/playstation-4/3045-146/forums/why-i-think-the-ps4-will-be-the-best-system-next-g-1441375/#47
This guy literally had 1 post and barely anyone batted an eyelash.
It's because people have been driven like cattle to think the PS4 is some amazing industry saving device. In actuality, they've stopped being different and are now pretty much on par with each other. Except for the far more mature online service, more plentiful interesting launch window exclusives, and that news about every system being a dev unit. And a potentially really cool way to interface with the system when you're not playing a game on it, ie Kinect, ie the thing people only hate because of assumptions or paranoia.
No one is willing to just say "hey, both of those systems are pretty damn similar, and pretty damn sweet sounding." And it has nothing to do with merit and everything to do with an over-reaction to something that could have been fixed with a check box when you set the machine up: "Do you want to enable extra online functionality?" Instead MS panicked because they mistook the internet going crazy for rational thought and over-reacted themselves and just axed a potentially cool and most definitely inevitable step towards our digital future. It saved the PC market, and soon it's going to do wonders for the console market. Even the PS4 is making great steps towards it, just fewer risks to push the expectations. They gave us things that were expected, and should have been, and somehow they are treated like a holy organization. Almost as if they think Sony is a charity and MS is an evil money grabbing corporation. Turns out the latter is true of both. Because they are both businesses.
I only have a few posts, and I can assure you I am not a marketing guy for MS. I'm stoked for both systems, and tired of the bullshit surrounding the next generation. People need to stop saying shit like the smart asses saying this guy is a marketer. Just because we aren't cynical or naive or grouchy like you doesn't mean we don't have valid reasons to be expected. You guys said before E3 it'd be all about the games. Then MS showed more interesting games, didn't have an incredibly awkward segment about music and television and film (which Sony did have), and still people hate on them. Even after they went back on the online stuff, and even after they fixed their policy on self publishing and patching.
After I went through 3 different Xbox 360s in two years, I wasn't going to buy the next Microsoft console even before their colossal DRM fuck-up this year.
Meanwhile, I'm on the same PS3 I've had since 2008.
Too bad for you. The later 360 models had lower (ever so slightly, so essentially the same) failure rates than PS3s. And there's no telling what things will be like in the next generation. You should wait on the hardware to prove itself instead of making assumptions. That's like assuming a dev who's second game is shit is never going to make a good game again, even though they made a pretty solid game before. I don't blame you for being sick of the 360's issues, but assuming it'll happen again and ruling it out is kind of a silly move. Be cautious, don't just write it off as an impossibility. Of course, if you're a one console kinda person, I suppose it doesn't matter and I doubt the PS4 will do anything but great things for you. I just wanted to point out that MS learned from their mistakes this generation and there's no good reason to assume otherwise for the next generation. Caution is all well and fine of course, but within reason.
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